Anybody who is pushing this false Obama story should be banned forever.

[Unsane]

Absolutely deplorable. Howard Wolfson is human waste. His accusations of plagiarism are desperate and sickening. He is an ugly, sadistic, vile pig-like animal.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. I disagree.

It only makes them look stupid(er).

[sniffa]

2. I concur

I want more.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

10. Just food for the ignore list n/t

[MADem]

3. What story? LINK, please?

And banned from where?

Who died and made you an Admin?

[lame54]

4. There's a false Obama?...

Is this like the "Paul is dead" hoax?

[MNDemNY]

7. I'm not sure, but I

think it involves grapes and spandex.

[MNDemNY]

5. What false Obama story do you refer?

[Unsane]

6. Wolfson's deplorable accusations of plagiarism.

[MNDemNY]

12. Oh, that's not false.

I thought you were referring to the story about Obama doing crack and getting his knob polished in the limo, back in '99.

[yardwork]

24. I thought that's what the OP meant to. That story is obviously deplorable b.s.

The plagiarism seems to be proven, more or less, by a side-by-side comparison of the speeches. However, that doesn't mean that anyone cares. I'm a Hillary supporter and I'm not exactly shocked to learn that politician's speeches are written by speechwriters who borrow from other political speeches.

Limosine story - obvious trash.
Plagiarism story - true but not very interesting.

Next?

[MNDemNY]

29. agreed.

[Usrename]

58. ...I had a dream... all men are created equal...

plagiarism? Are you nuts?

:wtf:

[MNDemNY]

61. Maybe, but what do you think about Larry Sinclair?

[Usrename]

72. Why, do you think he's sexy?

I think it's a bad joke.

[MNDemNY]

73. Not my type. But neither is Barack.

[Kokonoe]

87. Well, lets keep plagiarism um plagiarism

plagiarism is a huge deal., because it is the total essence of a civic union. You can work your whole life to get educated and when you shoot your wad, the first person you want to con cure with adds the influx to present it to the masses.(hence all great discoveries happen at the same time by two teams). Ob ama is a politician that leads stupids.


I'm sorry I used the spell check. But my voice would still not be here without it.

[golddigger]

42. Lmao

:rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

40. Plagiarism smear is debunked here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4643692#4644030

I hope if you have daily news articles on Obama you will ad them to the Obama Daily News thread,
helps us keep up with the latest "noise".

[MNDemNY]

44. Debunked? I think that is a matter of opinion.

[Usrename]

74. In this case, you got your opinion wrong.

It doesn't fit any definition of plagiarism.

[MNDemNY]

83. .

:nopity:

[bigbrother05]

8. If stupidity gets you banned ..... just sayin'

[MNDemNY]

32. This would be a sparse site.

[Forkboy]

37. I never would have gotten a second post in.

:)

[rug]

9. Well, I see the m.o. but I don't see the info.

[rug]

14. Ah, an edit 5 minutes later.

That wasn't so hard, was it?

[Unsane]

17. Would you prefer no edit at all?

What's your beef?

[rug]

18. I'd prefer a coherent post at the outset.

[Unsane]

31. I'd prefer you not act like a smartass.

But, alas, we can't always get what we want.

[MethuenProgressive]

11. The Boston "We Endorse Obama" Globe should be banned forever?

That's silly. Even for you.

[Yurem2008]

13. Well said

It is time to move on.

[ruggerson]

15. So now you don't want news stories from CNN and politico posted here?

why don't you just start posting at an Obama site if freedom of the press bugs you so much.

[Cameron27]

16. The plagerism story is in the news,

so ask Skinner to declare the Boston Globe a hate site. (I'm not sure what you'll do about their endorsement of Obama though)

[MethuenProgressive]

19. This false Obama story?

Hillary Clinton - Desperate Final Attempts to Smear Barack Obama and Stave off Defeat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4644244

[MethuenProgressive]

20. Or THIS false Obama story?

If Clinton is attempting to call Obama out on general election financing SHE IS SCARED TO DEATH
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4637081&mesg_id=4637081

[flyarm]

21. cash your check..your threads are silly! eom

[asdjrocky]

59. You can get paid for crap like that?

Where do I sign up?

[displacedtexan]

22. If I hadn't seen the side-by-side video, I would've had trouble believing it.

As it is, the Obama excuses (Deval Patrick gave me permission, everyone does it) seem specious to me.

Would it have been less moving for Obama to say, "As the governor of Massachusetts said,
when he was running for ofice..."?

Citation means something to many of us.

[snappyturtle]

92. Would it have been less moving for Hillary to have said,

"As my husband once said....."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4642517&mesg_id=4642642

I think this plagiarism game is a dangerous one for Sen. Clinton to play....makes her appear desperate for something that will stick with the electorate.

[MethuenProgressive]

23. or is it THIS false Obama story?

Is this how Hillary wants to win it? By accusing her opponent of plagiarism and teaing the party up?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4644664

[MNDemNY]

51. Maybe this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4641977

[Major Hogwash]

80. How many posts have you made in this thread? If you can't tell me why to vote FOR Hillary,

I will vote FOR Obama, the one with the positive message.

[harun]

25. While they probably won't tombstone them, it IS telling us the

real nasty Hillary supporters we can put on ignore. No offense to the Hillary supporters who are not partaking in this BS, I wish you all the best.

[donheld]

26. If I ran DU there'd be more tombstones than

Arlington National Cemetery. Maybe It's a good thing I don't run it.

[theHandpuppet]

30. Just what I was thinking, too

That it's a good thing you don't run it, that is.

[Forkboy]

39. I'm with ya. ForkboyUnderground would have three members...

...and one would be a troll to kick around. :)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. Awwwwwww, Thanks Forkboy!!!!!

I knew you'd let me stay!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:toast:

[Forkboy]

88. "A guilty conscience needs no accuser"

That's why you'd be perfect. ;)

Now, if only I knew how to make a frikkin' webpage....

[Hoof Hearted]

27. Too bad you don't own the joint, huh. I have some people I would ban too.

I'm guessing we would disagree. Some of the most hateful shit I've ever seen was posted against Senator Clinton today. Way worse than some silly accusations over dishonest/plagiarized speeches.

If you're going to go nuclear over mild little volleys like this, you're in for a long, rude awakening.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. Only if you apply the rule equally to

people who post false Clinton stories.

[saracat]

33. Really? But plagerism is okay if Obama does it but it can destroy

Joe Biden? Obam's statement that its okay as he has "done it before"makes it right? Even if it is alright with Deval patrick it isn't okay with me.

[ProSense]

53. Plagiarism is not okay, except when Hillary does it

which is often.

The Clinton Campaign Just Now...

February 18, 2008 11:33 AM

In a conference call just now the Clinton campaign would not guarantee that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, has never used someone else's rhetoric without crediting them.

I asked Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson and Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass, if they could assure the public that neither Clinton nor McGovern has ever done what Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, did when he used the rhetoric of Gov. Deval Patrick without footnoting him.

They would not.

In fact, Wolfson seemed to say it wouldn't be as big a deal if it were discovered that Clinton had "lifted" such language.

"Sen. Clinton is not running on the strength of her rhetoric," Wolfson said.

Hmmmm.

Hillary's campaign phony charge is only a big deal because Obama's "rhetoric" is powerful and appealing to more people.

This claim against Obama is a cheap stunt by her campaign to distort what really happened:

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said, to applause. “ ‘I have a dream’ — just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? Just speeches?”

Mr. Patrick employed similar language during his 2006 governor’s race when his Republican rival, Kerry Healey, criticized him as offering lofty rhetoric over specifics. Mr. Patrick has endorsed Mr. Obama, and the two men are close friends.

“ ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? Just words?” Mr. Patrick said one month before his election. “ ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words? ‘I have a dream’ — just words?”

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama who also advised Mr. Patrick, said Sunday that Mr. Obama adapted the words from Mr. Patrick. Mr. Axelrod said that he did not write the words for either candidate.

“They often riff off one another. They share a world view,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Both of them are effective speakers whose words tend to get requoted and arguments tend to be embraced widely.”

The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified. Clips of both speeches are archived on the Web site YouTube.com.

link

[MadBadger]

34. I disagree...the larry sinclair thing on the other hand should be a Tombstone

[MNDemNY]

43. Larry Sinclair?

Is that the goober who claims to have done cocaine, and had sex with Obama in a limo in '99, and wants to take a polygraph? Let him take it.If it be crap, then it's crap, if it has substance, then get it vetted BEFORE a nomination.

[FlyingSquirrel]

35. Fear not...

Once a candidate is chosen, attacks like this will no longer be allowed.

[Hoof Hearted]

95. You have a totally awesome little collection of avatars there. :-)

Very nice.

[doyourealize1]

36. Want to filter bad news about your saintly leader?

Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Even though the story is overplayed and marginally significant, the fact that you want to restrict press for your own benefit is pretty "deplorable" in itself.

[GarbagemanLB]

38. How about we start posting those stories of all those 'deaths' surrounding the Clintons?

Since everything is fair game, right?

[MNDemNY]

45. Sure, go for it.

[doyourealize1]

64. News that's true

deserves to be posted. The plagerism story is indisputably true per Obama's own admittance. Therefore, I fail to see the point of your post.

[BenDavid]

41. The Audacity of Plagarism : Plagiarizing a speech during a

presidential campaign was enough to end Sen. Joe Biden’s first bid for the presidency. In 1987, Joe Biden ran as a Democratic presidential candidate. When the campaign began, he was considered a frontrunner because of his moderate image. However, the campaign ended when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party. Though Biden had correctly credited the original author in all speeches but one, the one where he failed to make mention of the originator was caught on video. In the video Biden is filmed repeating a stump speech by Kinnock, with only minor modifications.

If just one or two phrases repeated, I’d give him the benefit of the doubt and call it a coincidences…but 4 phrases repeated with the same cadence, tone and intonation? Obama uses old school “gold dust preacher” tricks to hypnotize crowds: steadily increasing volume of voice and music, steadily increasing his cadence, chanting/repeating the same words and phrases over and over and over, swaying, saying something very general that can apply to all then quickly saying specifics to grab different parts of the crowd and pull them in. If it gets really warm where he’s speaking, that’s another technique.

Hank Hanegraaff speaks to this issue he talks about how cults work…it’s kind of like a semi-conscious (ie, awake) hypnotism.Maybe Obama is studying speaking styles that work and forgot that he studied that guy.

[DemGa]

46. Well that's strange to hear; doesn't Obama profit from accusations against Hillary?

Sure he does. You see, Hillary's political "history" caused from years of FALSE partisan attacks makes her "polarizing" and "divisive."

By Obama's OWN standard, he deserves recriminations for the charge, whether true or not. Live by your own standard!

[JKaiser]

47. whiny obama fans post negative stuff about hillary all the time but when..

sometime negative comes up about Obama, they cannot take it! Obama is a FAKE!

[MNDemNY]

48. You shall be struck down for your blasphemy.

[golddigger]

66. Damn your killing me MNDemNY...lmfao!

:rofl: :rofl:

[mtnsnake]

49. Do you realize that you sound just like someone else who'd like to censor everyone in this country?

Good gawd

[Tarc]

50. Except for the fact that it isn't false, sure

Suck it up.

[From The Left]

52. And Racist

The subtext is Obama is intellectually incapable of original writing. Nevermind that he's a Harbard law professor. The story is pure, unadulterated Clintonista shit.

[ruggerson]

54. And anti-men

it's a conniving woman's campaign smearing a good man as dishonest

[MNDemNY]

57. What the hell did you say?

Can you be more, oh, I don't know, english-based?

[ruggerson]

62. relax

i was spoofing the "racist" meme

[MNDemNY]

67. My bad.

[MNDemNY]

55. It's "Harvard" and Obama was NOT a professor.

But don't let facts, or spelling get in your way. gobama?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Since The Guy Who Called For Mass Bannings Is NOT A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER How Does He Expect Skinner

To Pay The Costs Of Adminstering The Site?

[MNDemNY]

68. With donations from the Obama camp?

[noiretextatique]

94. since he lifted a few phrases from another black man

i fail to see the racism in the accusations of plagiarism. this entire thing is a non-issue as far as i'm concerned, and if i was an obama supporter, it would not change my opinion of him one bit.

[Perry Logan]

56. It's good for the Obamites to get a taste of their own shit.

[DemGa]

78. Indeed that is true; and they've left themselves defenseless

by validating right-wing attacks on Hillary.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. Oh Please. Half Of You Should Be Banned Forever With The Insane And Immature Bullshit You Spew.

And to call for that poster's banning makes you nothing short of an asshole.

There may have been some legitimate concerns in that thread and I know for certain that the OP meant well. For you to PUBLICLY call for their ouster makes you an asshole of the nth degree, and far worse of a member of this community than they are. What do ya think of them apples pal.

[MNDemNY]

65. People don't have to read all posts.

jeezus.

[Major Hogwash]

81. Quit attacking us personally.

We aren't the ones who went out and ran Hillary's campaign in the ground.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

82. For The Way Some Of You Have Behaved On Here, You Deserve To Be Attacked Personally.

You've earned it completely. The behavior from some of you has reached disgraceful degrees, and many deserve TS'ing far more than the person referenced in the OP. Some of you disgust me and are nothing but filth.

[Major Hogwash]

91. I didn't run Hillary's campaign into the ground - she did! Read the Atlantic story

And get educated about little Miss Inevitability.

[rinsd]

69. So sayeth the troll who joined a month ago.

[ruggerson]

71. About 3/4 of Obama's supporters here

joined a month ago.

And almost none of them have given any funds to DU.

[rinsd]

75. We have our share our Hillary newbies

I blame both sides of newbies for the corrosive atmosphere in the last month or so.

[NashVegas]

70. I Just Had to Log Back In To Mention

That the advertising banner that goes with this thread is for Hypocrisy.com

:rofl: :rofl:

[LibraLiz1973]

76. I have NO idea what you are talking about

And I take it that is a good thing

[C_U_L8R]

77. It's the final throes of the Shillaries

spinning themselves faster and faster
down the inevitable vortex of self-defeat.
glug glug.

It's almost as funny as it is annoying.

[elixir]

79. Sounds like you're a little bent out of shape. What's going to happen when the real #$ hits the fan?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

84. Ehhhh, Certain Trolls Will Probably Be Gone Before Then. No Worries!

[NJmaverick]

85. Hillary Hounds are not going to like this thread

They stifle anyone that excercises free speech. Ironically they it under the banner of free speech. Sick bunch the Clintons and their supporters. They have accomplished only 2 things. I can never vote for a Clinton and I look at Bill's legacy in a new and unflattering light.

[tritsofme]

89. Who died and made you drama queen?

nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

90. you're fuuny

[Auntie Bush]

93. Shame on you for the name calling.