Judge for yourself. Watch Obama's "Don't Tell Me Words Don't Matter!" speech

[Eric J in MN]

...and decide if it would have been a better speech if he had put in, "As Deval Partrick said" or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cd-AJeJvBE&feature=bz301

[MethuenProgressive]

1. That's the one where he compares Himself to Dr King, FDR, and Jefferson.

They were men of Deeds. Someone should inform Obama he's no Dr King, no FDR, no Jefferson.

[tekisui]

2. You tried that one today, already. He was speaking of the power of wrods.

Not comparing himself to the men. You are growing tiresome.

[Eric J in MN]

3. MLK's most notable "deeds" were giving great speeches.

I'm not sure what "deed" apart from MLK's speeches you're referring to.

[MethuenProgressive]

6. Jesus. Get yourself to the library and LEARN something about Dr. King.

Jesus - is THIS the kind of person in love with Obama? Those completely ignorant of recent history?
Heaven help us.

[Eric J in MN]

9. I'm not in love with Obama.

I don't like that he would consider more military trials for people who never served in the US military.

I don't like his ties to nuclear power.

I don't like his support for increasing H1B visas.

I'm just trying to give him a fair shake by giving people a link to the controversial speech so that they can decide if Obama should have said, "As Deval Patrick had said" during it. Personally, I think it would have interrupted the rhythm if he mentioned Patrick beforehand. Maybe Obama should have mentioned Patrick aftewards.

[MethuenProgressive]

14. Whatever. Go get a book. Read it.

'MLK's most notable "deeds" were giving great speeches.'
That's a sad sad statement on the kind of education we're providing for our children.

[Eric J in MN]

16. Is your point that leading marches is better than giving speeches? NT

NT

[amborin]

32. pitiful

[amborin]

31. are you for real?

how old are you?

do you read anything?

mlk plagiarized huge part of his dissertation, he's a known plagiarizer

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Using that logic...

are you admitting that Clinton insulted MLK, FDR, and Jefferson by saying they didn't matter?

[amborin]

33. ha ha, but obama is a mlk

at least as far as plagiarism goes

[grantcart]

4. OBAMA AGREES TO ANOTHER DEBATE

Just as long as she doesn't use any words and pantamimes her answers.

[tyne]

8. So

Hillary is saying that the MLK and JFK words were Patricks?

"Just words" were Hillary's words.

I'm lost to this plagiarism claim.

[grantcart]

12. I hate to tell you but the word "so" has been previously used by me

This is an unbelievable desperate attempt to get Obama off message the day before an election.

The Clinton campaign has lost its mind if it thinks this is an issue people are going to resonate on.

[eleny]

7. If he does do this in the future, the crowd would cheer and roar

I just don't think that those who support Obama care about this. I can't see them flocking to Hillary Clinton in droves over it.

[tyne]

10. Especially

when they see the video of her doing "her" "I'm fired up and ready to go" on Hardball and Countdown...and Jon Stewart.

[eleny]

13. And did you see the posting here about Clinton's ghost writer for her It Takes a Village book?

Clinton never gave her a mention. I thought Hillary wrote the book and agree with its premise. But to never say a peep about your ghostwriter and then call Obama a plagiarist takes gall.

[MethuenProgressive]

18. You do know what a ghostwriter is, don't you? You pay them. Plagiarism is fraud and theft.

DUbamas are killing DU...

[Eric J in MN]

20. Taking one paragraph for a speech is bad,

...but presenting an entire book which was ghost-written as one's own words is OK?

[MethuenProgressive]

21. Eric, taht's what ghostwiters do. They get paid for being "ghosts" not co-authors.

[Eric J in MN]

22. I don't consider it ethical to publish a book....

...written by one person under only another person's name.

People do it, but I don't have to approve.

[MethuenProgressive]

24. OK, I see it's over your head. Ask around for directions to that library, They have books.

You might enjoy it if you give it a try.

[eleny]

23. You do know don't you that Clinton denied there ever was a ghostwriter?

And that the publisher finally gave Feinman credit. Only at that point did Hillary acknowledge Feinman's ghostwriting.

Facts are killing your argument. :kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

25. I'm sorry you don't know the difference between hiring a ghostwriter and plagiarism.

I'm sorry that you don't care to learn the difference.

[eleny]

26. And I'm sorry that you don't demand that your candidate be honest

[MethuenProgressive]

27. Perhaps you should invest in a Dictionary? Or night school?

Contracting for a ghostwriter isn't dishonest. You just keep on with your 'never give up', OK? You seen to enjoy fantasy.

[eleny]

29. She denid that there was a ghostwriter when she was asked. She lied.

Btw, I'm impervious to your snarky jabs. Go ahead, take the last word.

[MethuenProgressive]

30. OK. You hire a ghost writer so no one knows you didn't write the book your self.

There. I even typed r e a l l y slow, just for you.

[BenDavid]

11. The Audacity of Plagarism....Joe biden called Obama and told

him,“I feel your pain” Obama replied “I heard that before but thanks I plan to use it !”

Did Deval Patrick’s version make a thrill go up Chris Matthews’ leg?:rofl:

[Eric J in MN]

15. And having Dukakis instead of Biden as the 1988 candidate...

...worked out so well. (sarcasm)

[kentuck]

17. Did Deval Patrick attribute the words to the originals ...?

when he first said it? Was he guilty also of plagiarism?

[tyne]

19. I know

this is just nuts.

But, it does show us what a Hillary presidency would consist of.

[Garbo 2004]

28. Boston Globe April 2007:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope?mode=PF

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. Or Maybe He Could've Come Up With Something Original? Not Too Much To Ask, Right?

He's gonna need to do far better against the RW attack machine if he's our candidate than lifting good defenses from other people's speeches. I hope he has it in him to do so.