We all plagiaize.

[Raven]

Language is plagiarism, after all. Learning is plagiarism. We listen to the ideas of others and often take them as our own. There are very few people in this world who have completely original ideas.

If this is the worst knock on Obama, he's in pretty good shape.

[Bitwit1234]

1. Especially is you are him, the walk on water candidate.

[Maddy McCall]

2. No. We don't. If I plagiarized, I'd no longer be employed.

[Metric System]

3. Talk about grasping at straws...n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. I don't plagiarize.

And neither did Obama.

[mtnsnake]

5. Yeah and we're all up there running for President of the United States, too (snicker)

[goldcanyonaz]

6. That's sorta like; everyone steals until they get caught.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. The Part That Bothers Me Is That He Had To Use Someone Else's Defense In Response To An Attack.

That might've worked here, but that shit ain't gonna cut it in the GE. He's gonna have a HELL of a lot more to defend against come that time, and I hope he'll have the intellect, quick with, strong character and tough skin necessary to defend against them, all on his own. If he would need to rely on others past defenses, he's gonna be decimated.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. OMC, that is bullshit and you know it.

There is no other defense to that kind of attack, than to counter the "just words" with an argument that words are important. That is why the two used the same defense - they were attacked with the same meme.

And, need I mention, they are friends who discussed this very issue, and who is to say who came up with it first? Maybe the other guy got it from Obama - but as HE was the one being attacked at the time with that nonsensical meme, he simply said it first.

Ask two different people the color of the sky, if they both say 'blue' is one plagarizing the other?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. Actually It's Some Straightforward And Logical Concern Rooted In Fact.

You may want to dismiss it away, but I'm not so quick to. This wasn't a 'anyone could've said it' response. It was a calculated and intentional snip from a defense used by somebody else in another campaign. If it was effective, so be it. But it is absolutely legitimate for me to have some questions as to whether or not he'd be able to fight back strongly enough with HIS OWN WORDS once the RW machine gets rolling. That trait is going to be amazingly important as the GE rolls on, and if he's the candidate he's going to DEFINITELY have to do better defending himself than he showed here by lifting someone else's defense. I don't think in this case it really matters all that much or was really all that big of a deal, but it does concern me even just slightly that he did something like that. During the GE if he's the candidate, I hope he is able to swiftly and strongly respond to attack, but off the top of his head and with his OWN words. That's going to be monumentally important.

[grantcart]

8. Dear Mr. Raven

Dear Mr. Raven,

This is to advise you that on March 4th, 1993 I copywrited the word "Raven". This is to advise you to cease and desist from any more use of this particular word or further legal action will be necessary. For your reference I have also copywrited Ravey, Raver, Ravic, Ravish, Ravender, Raveupyours, Ravelicious, Raveioli, Raveatar, Ravember, Ravelegism, Ravepisodic and Revidiculous. Any future use of this word by you with out our expressed written permission will create a legal liability of 5 cents a word.


Sincerely Yours

Stark Raven Mad

A Clinton supporter who will defend my candidates right to make a complete ass out of herself as long as she wants to.

[ClericJohnPreston]

9. In Law School

which Obama attended, as I did, IT IS A TICKET TO EXPULSION.

Do you Obamites even understand the term ETHICS?

[Raven]

13. Interesting observation. I too attended law school and practiced for many years.

It seems to me that as a lawyer, arguing a case, we always tap the ideas of others. Of course we cite these ideas. Now do you suppose politicans should give a speech with footnotes or disclose who their speechwriter is? That will be different.

[Blue_Roses]

14. Boston Legal comes to mind...

Okay, I know it's just a show (my favorite :D ) but they wouldn't be able to present a case without "quotes" and "ideas" from previous writers.

Maybe it's a lame excuse at defending, or maybe this whole argument is lame.

[Bluerthanblue]

10. you are right Raven, but there are those who will use the fact that

he used to be a chubby kid against him, the level of desperation by some Obama haters is so intense.

I agree that he is in pretty good shape. And because of that, we are going to hear more and more of this crap.

:shrug:


peace~

[goodgd_yall]

11. If only you knew how lame your post sounds

There's a better way to defend Obama on this than your approach.

This type of incident can be used against Obama. Biden was discredited in his previous presidential run for making the mistake of not crediting the original author for part of a speech that he used several times during his campaign. He had credited the author numerous times, but ONE TIME forgot to and it ruined his campaign that year.

Just saying---every candidate is vulnerable.

[flyarm]

12. Plagiarism helped Colin Powell take us into war..no i do not plagiarise..speak for yourself

and your candidate.

find me a school in this nation that excepts Plagiarism..name it!!

Plagiarism.. is a serious matter,..it helped take us to war..Plagiarism is a deception..it is a lie.

and it is important to every teacher in this country
and to every educational institution in this nation and others...


you can try to poo poo plagiarism....it is deception..clear and simple..it is stealing..plain and simple..and we have proof positive of how plagiarism has killed...



and it is something we all should be wary of since Colin Powell helped take us to war based on Plagarism.

I take plagiarism very seriously ..so much so that i have kept these articles in my files ever since...yes Colin Powell plagiarised a College guys dissertation paper to help take us into war....remember when he sat In the UN and televisions all over the world were on Colin Powell and we as a nation and the worlds people stopped everything and watched him give his speech...

well his so called facts.. were plagiarised.

Plagiarism is a serious matter! 4000 dead soldiers and over 1 million dead Iraqi's can attest to that.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4601552-103690,0 ...


Downing St admits blunder on Iraq dossier
Plagiarism row casts shadow over No 10's case against Saddam

Michael White, Ewen MacAskill and Richard Norton-Taylor
Saturday February 8, 2003

Guardian

Downing Street yesterday apologised for its failure to acknowledge that much of its latest dossier on Iraq was lifted from academic sources, as the affair threatened to further undermine confidence in the government's case for disarming Saddam Hussein.
MPs and anti-war groups were quick to protest that other features of Whitehall's information campaign are suspect at a time when MI6 and other intelligence agencies are privately complaining at the way No 10 has been over-egging intelligence material on Iraq.

It emerged yesterday that the dossier issued last week - later found to include a plagiarised section written by an American PhD student - was compiled by mid-level officials in Alastair Campbell's Downing Street communications department with only cursory approval from intelligence or even Foreign Office sources.

Though it now appears to have been a journalistic cut and paste job rather than high-grade intelligence analysis, the dossier ended up being cited approvingly on worldwide TV by the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, when he addressed the UN security council on Wednesday.


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4600667-103550,0 ...

UK war dossier a sham, say experts
British 'intelligence' lifted from academic articles

Michael White and Brian Whitaker
Friday February 7, 2003

Guardian

Downing Street was last night plunged into acute international embarrassment after it emerged that large parts of the British government's latest dossier on Iraq - allegedly based on "intelligence material" - were taken from published academic articles, some of them several years old.
Amid charges of "scandalous" plagiarism on the night when Tony Blair attempted to rally support for the US-led campaign against Saddam Hussein, Whitehall's dismay was compounded by the knowledge that the disputed document was singled out for praise by the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, in his speech to the UN security council on Wednesday.

Citing the British dossier, entitled Iraq - its infrastructure of concealment, deception and intimidation in front of a worldwide television audience Mr Powell said: "I would call my colleagues' attention to the fine paper that the United Kingdom distributed... which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities."