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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 02:59 PM
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Note to Mr. Kerry on naming names.
Ya know....I know you said "more leaders" and not "foreign leaders" but nonetheless: Call * out on the issue:

Tell his boys privately if they don't move on......you will name names. That would be the worst possible scenario for *

At the same time: Publically scold him for again politicizing international affairs Its inapproporiate, its incredibly juvenile and it is precisely why * is not respected oversease. Tell him to be a big boy and at least "Act Presidential"

Worse.....given the President's penchant for demonizing his adversaries, you would not be suprised if he turned around and banned French Toast and banned the importation of Beamers in response.

Ooops I hope that did not come dangerously close to naming names....haha
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:05 PM
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1. Here's a better idea.
Challenge Bush to produce names of foreign leaders who prefer he stay in office over Kerry.

Ok, besides Eritrea, Poland, Khazakstan and of course... the poodle.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:11 PM
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2. might work
But I still say something like:

"Mr. President.....I won't name names, you don't really want me to name names. This is not 7th grade homeroom. I won't tellyou who whispered in my ear.... it's not what grown-ups do. Move on.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:16 PM
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18. oh............and "i know something you don't know" is grown up?
puleeze.

Kerry needs to get his shit together and quick. he risking looking like a liar.

if he didn't say "foreign leaders" why in the hell didn't he correct the reporter when it first hit? this was stupid and is getting more stupid by the day.

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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 10:19 PM
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32. Oh please...... who wouldn't know many foreign leaders who want shrub out?
Republicans trying to make a stink out of it are only hurting Bush by continually bringing up the fact that Bush has damaged credibility overseas.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:27 PM
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19. LOL you're assuming
Bush actually made it out of the 7th grade to know what 7th grade homeroom is like.. I don't care what his "school records" indicate, Bush is too dumb to have made it to middle school.

Rp
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:13 PM
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3. WHO politicized international affairs??
maybe Kerry when he said it? (and if you don't think he said it..well..OK)
it's OK to refer to international affairs in politics...but saying 'leaders support me' but being unwilling to say who is unimpressive at best...it looks phony
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PA-DEM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:16 PM
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4. True
If not for the fact that Richard Holbrooke just confirmed that foreign leaders told him they want Kerry to win.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:21 PM
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7. Link???
Got a Link?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:28 PM
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10. Link to Holbrooke's response.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/16/politics/campaign/16CND-POOL.html?hp=&pagewanted=print&position=

Even after the quotation had been corrected, Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico and Richard C. Holbrooke, President Bill Clinton's delegate to the United Nations, called reporters to offer their response.

"It's so obviously the truth what Kerry said, and the Republicans are just having fun with it — everybody knows it's true," Mr. Holbrooke said, adding that he called after speaking to Ms. Cutter. "In the last six or seven months, I've been in Africa, the Middle East, Asia and Europe. I've met with leaders in all of those regions, and they have overwhelmingly — not unanimously but overwhelmingly — said that they





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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:30 PM
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13. bad link....
but thanks...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:08 PM
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16. No, it's not. Read the last two paragraphs.
It works fine for me.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:12 PM
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23. I heard it too.
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 10:42 PM
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35. Biden also confirmed it
according to Drudge (so beware)
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:17 PM
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5. That is not what he said!!!!!!
He sai leaders have told him that they would prefer someone other then * be president. It was not by any stretvh self-endorsing. It was a knock on Bush.
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PA-DEM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:23 PM
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8. ah duh
Edited on Tue Mar-16-04 03:26 PM by PA-DEM
There ABB.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:27 PM
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9. Noooo
I was referring to the comment that Keery said " Leader support me" He did not say that... He said the Leaders did not want another 4 years of Bush.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:19 PM
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6. Hypocrite George
"I think if you're gonna make an accusation in the course of a presidential campaign, you out to back it up with facts," Bush said Tuesday during a news conference with the Netherlands' Prime Minister, Jan Peter Balkenende. :puke:

Source: CNN.com

I think if Dumbya is going to make an accusation of WMD and grave threat as president, he ought to back it up with facts. Bu$h is the biggest hypocrite, why isn't Kerry touting off about Bu$h naming who the hell ousted Valerie Plame? Kerry just needs to insert Bush into all the statements he makes, turn the tables where they belong. We need someone serious in the White House, I'm tired of this buffoon turning it into the Fun House of distorted mirrors and truth.





"He was certain that it was profound, because he didn't understand it." Ayn Rand
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:29 PM
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11. Welcome to DU!
I like your name - a lot of that goes on around here fur sure.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:14 PM
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17. Welcome Catfish!
:bounce: :hi: :toast:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 10:12 AM
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43. Hi Catfight!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:30 PM
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12. Like the thinking here and
hope Kerry takes you up on it.

What's Bush gonna do, overthrow them all? :scared:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:34 PM
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14. Well, Kerry can always quote the PM-elect in Spain....
Zapatero countered that it is the Popular Party that hangs on to an unseemly alliance, one ‘‘with war, with Bush, and with the most reactionary American administration in recent times.’’
.
‘‘Every day, people are talking about my alliances,’’ he complained. Referring to the American Democratic hopeful, he said: ‘‘We’re aligning ourselves with Kerry. Our alliance will be for peace, against war, no more deaths for oil, and for a dialogue between the government of Spain and the new Kerry administration.’’
.
The Democratic presidential candidate, who voted to authorize the Iraq war, has said nothing yet about finding a potential soul mate in Zapatero.

International Herald Tribune

http://www.iht.com/articles/509126.html
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:40 PM
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15. Great
Sorry....but I don't think that counts...and I am not sure the "socialist" tag helps the campaign.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:48 PM
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 07:57 PM
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24. I think Kerry is well within his rights to clock a Republican disruptor at
his meet ups. I think DU is well within their rights to tombstone Republican disruptors. Ain't freedom of association grand?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 08:16 PM
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 08:23 PM
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26. When it's an issue of campaigning for president and disruptor shows up
Edited on Tue Mar-16-04 08:23 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
at your event, you are well within your rights to point out that his agenda is to disrupt. He first answered the question, then the person persisted indicating his true intent.

IF you're that interested in where and who people are meeting..perhaps you could show up at a Cheney event and ask about those people present at his energy meetings.

Do you see MY point?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 08:30 PM
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 08:37 PM
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28. Kerry has no obligation to kiss a Republican disruptors ass even if on
the public dime. There are just as many Democrats who are worthy of that dime who are not interested in seeing Mr Kerry cowtow to a disruptor..

Cheney would actually have to meet with a group of voters that weren't prescreened in order for that to occur.

I am all for bullying assholes that would disrupt a meeting...there has been enough proof of Republican disruptors planted at his events in recent weeks to justify the response.

I think talking down to a fucking asshole is answering him through his point of reference since his ass is in closest proximity to his ears when his head is up it.

Understand?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 08:54 PM
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 09:54 PM
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30. Who says soccer moms don't like bullies?
They marry Nascar Dads....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 10:34 PM
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 10:40 PM
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34. You are the one that invoked them in your prior post
are you now going to change the terms of the debate to suit your needs?
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 10:44 PM
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36. I'd say there's as much chance
of his sticking to his own arguments as there is of his complaining about Cheney's energy task force.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 10:56 PM
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 11:06 PM
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39. What is so dishonest about not violating confidences
Should Kerry name names and make these leaders a target for more Bush aggression?

And you are bringing up you advocacy of the Sierra Club a little late in the game given 30 of your posts thus far are dedicated to calling Kerry dishonest and ragging on how he didn't cowtow to a freeper.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 12:20 AM
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42. No you're right..I can use the rest of your posts so far for that
and 45 years
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 10:00 PM
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31. I'm a member of Kerry's constituency
and he had every right to tell that freeper to fuck off.

He has served Mass. well.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 05:07 PM
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21. Well, Kerry has been friends
With Blairs main rival for the leadership of the Labour Party for the last ten years, Gordon Brown. Brown knew that Kerry has been planning to run for the presidency since shortly after Bush won in 2000, but Kerry waited to find out what Gore was going to do before running. All of the candidates except for Dean decided to wait in order to give Gore the chance to retrieve the position that Bush and the SupremeCourt robbed him of in 2000. That was really the honorable thing to do, as Gore deserved the chance to be the nominee again given the fact that he was the real winner in 2000, and it was his right to retrieve the position he was so foully denied. One of the first things that turned me against Dean was this lack of honorable behavior regardin not giving Gore the chance to decide first. Everyone else did.

Also , the new prime minister of Spain has endorsed Kerry, and Kerry was likely aware of this support from the party that represented the opinion of the 90 percent of the Spanish electorate who opposed Aznars support of the war in Iraq. Chirac of course does not support Bush in anyway, and again likely is rooting for anyone to replace Bush. Bush of course had to meet with Schroeder to try to mend fences, as there were also indications from Germany that the party in power was rooting for a Democrat to beat Bush in November, even if the Chancellor had not openly stated it.

Kerry really doesnt have to name names, as virtually all of the E.U. members who oppsed the war and are pissed at not being able to bid on the contracts to rebuild in Iraq are looking to get rid of Bush.
Putin probably does as well, as Iraq's debt to Russia is larger than to either France or Germany and they want to be paid back, and doe not want Bush to try to wranle through the Security Council forgiveness of debt incurred under Saddams regime. They have a better chance with Kerry's administration to get their money back from Iraq.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:09 PM
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22. What he needs to do
is just tell them...on National TV....to STOP THE WHINING ALREADY!!! I'm NOT going to divulge any names from my PRIVATE conversations! This IS still a free country. He IS allowed to have private conversations. Period. End of subject. This is a non-issue that the repukes are trying to turn into one of importance. He should make that statement and ignore their asses after he does so.
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