DEFINITION: GHOST WRITER:professional writer who writes for another person w/out acknowledgement

[elixir2]

OK, so I had one post left. I can't count. Definition of ghost writer:

A professional writer who writes for another person and who does not get a byline or credit for his or her writing.

[scheming daemons]

1. Same goes with a SPEECH writer....

...and Obama and Patrick SHARE the speechwriter (Axelrod) that provided those words.

[elixir2]

12. Obama didn't credit Patrick in his speech and Patrick didn't write his speech...

Hillary had a ghost writer for her book "It takes a Village" and the ghost writer is bitching about not being credited when, in fact, ghost writers are not credited or acknowledge by definition.

[amborin]

2. ghost writer is acknowledged

when someone uses a ghost writer, this fact is stated at time of publication

[elixir2]

10. Not by definition. Maybe in your mind, it is.

[Dora]

19. No. It's between the author and publisher.

What credit ghostwriters get is a point of contract negotiation. There is no law that says "All ghost writers must be acknowledged."

I work for a publisher. In the past few years, we have published some - not many - books by people that had help from ghost writers. Some have been more than willing to share credit on the jacket with their co-authors, but we had one balk, and we were appalled, as he had been cooperative with and grateful to his co-writer until his book hit the production stage. As publishers, we do what we can to give all writers the credit they are due - ultimately in this case, we resorted to compromising with the "author" by putting the ghost-writer's name on the title page.

[K Gardner]

3. Since you obviously know how to use a dictionary, try to look up plagiarism.

[elixir2]

14. So, what do I get for doing this for you? I didn't realize you didn't have a dictionary. Too bad.

Plagiarism is the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement.

[K Gardner]

21. Try this definition...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4646640&mesg_id=4646640

[elixir2]

26. No thanks. Mine's correct.

[Eric J in MN]

4. Politicians do lend their names to books they didn't write. But should they? NT

NT

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. So you're saying a ghostwriter...

is kind of like a speech writer, but for books.

Have I got that right?

[Hart2008]

6. Political ghostwriters and speech writers don't get attribution at the end of the work or speech.

JFK's "Profiles in Courage" is a case in point.

He didn't write it all.

So what?

Was he a plagiarist too?

This argument is just plain silly.

:crazy::silly:

[rinsd]

9. The entire thing is plain silly.

[MethuenProgressive]

7. They know, eli - they don't care if they can take a little heat off Rezko The Plagarist Obama.

"Don't look at our thief! Um... your girl stole a cookie! Yeah, that's it! She stole a cookie!"

[John Q. Citizen]

11. It's yet another tempest in a teapot that helps our guy. He keeps climbing in the national polls,

Just like Clinton did in the 1990's when the Repos were doing thier daily smear.

Thanks Hill and all your supporters!

Keep going don't stop.
it won't be long until were over the top!

[HeraldSquare212]

8. The ghostwriter's not the issue - Clinton taking credit for the writing is.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. That's why you hire a ghostwriter, what part of "ghost" are you DUbamas not getting?

ghostwriter does not equal co-author with credit.
God, don't ANY DUbamas read books at all?

[elixir2]

15. Apparently not. I thought this would be pretty clear, but it's hard discussing this w/ them.

[rodeodance]

17. thank you for using your last post. maybe one or two will comprehend the meaning.

[rodeodance]

18. question--I only briefly read a comment by the ghostwriter -she seems like a disgruntled

employee to me.

I vaguely recall this issue a few years back. my memory is short. Thoughts?

[rodeodance]

16. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?--please re-read the OP.

[HeraldSquare212]

20. There are two sides to it - one, the person who gets paid to write,

and two, the person who takes credit for that writing. The ghostwriter understands that her writing will not be credited, but the public doesn't know that the person claiming credit didn't write it. It may have been proper behavior vis-a-vis the ghostwriter, but is it proper for Clinton to portray herself to the public as the author of something she didn't write?

[rodeodance]

22. the ghostwriter seems like a disgrunted employee to me. she knew the deal

when she agreed to do the writing.

[HeraldSquare212]

23. Idon't doubt it - but sometimes they do get credit, like "with or "as told to" etc.

[rodeodance]

24. I will have to follow it more closely--this was an issue a few years ago--my memory is vague.

[okasha]

25. It all depends on the terms of the contract.

Those whose contracts call for them to get credit, get credit, and usually less money up front and a share of the royalties. Those whose contract calls for no credit for the ghost usually get a larger, flat fee. Ghostwriting under that arrangement is "work for hire"--i. e., the person who pays the ghost owns all the legal rights to the work, and ghostwriter owns his/her paycheck.