Did anyone else see what happened on MSNBC at about 3:30?

[PCIntern]

ON EDIT: I'm not speaking to the issue of the 'plagiarism' on this post, I'm specifically referring to the fact that Norah O'Donnell was just stopped dead in her tracks.


I'll try to get this straight...Norah O'D. was interviewing Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones a Clinton Supporter.

Norah asked if it was proper for the Clinton Campaign to accuse Obama of plagiarism and the individual replied MOST VEHEMENTLY that THE CAMPAIGN did not accuse him of plagiarism, that a station played the speech from the Mass. Guv. and then Obama's speech. She gave Norah a lecture on journalism 101 and Norah was so stunned, sitting there, that all she could do was stammer and then switch (temporarily) to a Press conference about an injured student.

It wasn't the politics of the moment, it was the sheer glee I felt watching Norah just overwhelmed. for once, no quick answer...then of course, when they returned she was loaded for bear.

As I type, these two are going at it but GOOD.

[bicentennial_baby]

1. Tubbs-Jones came off as being pretty defensive...

YMMV

[PCIntern]

7. Yes...

but just to see Norah STOPPED IN HER TRACKS was wonderful.

As I said, the politics aside, you don't see these MSNBC goonies at a loss for words often. Even if it's a Matthews' HA!, they always have something to say in response to belittle.

[bicentennial_baby]

11. I see you point, yes.

:)

[avrdream]

78. Yeah, I love it when Tweety gets speechless.

Bunch of twerps (sorry KO and Dan Abrams).

[UALRBSofL]

10. Is she from OHIO?

Anyone know?

[bicentennial_baby]

12. Yes, she is

:)

[jasmine621]

76. It is in fact the media again. They do shit and then say HRC started it.

Hillary should be smart enough not to pick up on their trash.

[MethuenProgressive]

2. CNN/MSNBC/MSM Hates the Clintons, always has, always will.

Norah's just doing what she's paid to do.

[bicentennial_baby]

4. Pssst, it's MSNBC

[MethuenProgressive]

Ya got me - but there's little difference.

They swap news readers like the Dodgers swap wives.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Time-Warner, CNN's parent company, loves the Clintons

Norah O'Donnell works for MSNBC.

[Araxen]

13. Clinton News Network anybody?

[MethuenProgressive]

16. That's what the Right Wing and Free Republic calls it. Why are you pimping for them?

[IndianaGreen]

24. Time-Warner is grateful for Clintons' 1996 Telecom Act

and that's what the Left says about the Clintons' record on media concentration.

[rodeodance]

19. only from Obamacrickets!!

[durrrty libby]

56. Poor you took a wrong turn. Get over to F'd Up Town

[Thrill]

71. Clinton News Network

[TwilightGardener]

3. Wolfson accused Obama of plagiarism--Jones is dead wrong.

[Ninga]

5. Rep Stephanie Tubbs Jones was formerly a Cuyahoga County Prosecutor, and one tough lawyer.

Cuyahoga County, Cleveland Ohio

[babylonsister]

17. Then you'd think her skills at research would be better. nt

[snappyturtle]

63. Yes I agree! I was just ready to write her a little e-mail.

Actually, I thought Nora was completely taken back that Jones fell for this! That was my take.

[MadBadger]

6. They are more or less accusing him of plagiarism.

[babylonsister]

21. No, they're making a non-issue an issue to deflect attention. Sounds

like a trick from the current admin's playbook, in fact. :think:

[cd3dem]

28. but he claims to be the one with FRESH ideas!!!!!

[ShortnFiery]

46. Yes! and isn't it IRONIC that HRC and her surrogates claim that "words don't matter."

Talk about INSISTING on having it both ways?!? :crazy:

IMO, this is really f**king LOW of HRC's campaign: Accusing Obama of plagarizing a "close friend's" words that were freely given - but then - at the same time claiming that "words don't matter." :silly: :wtf: OVER! :P

[babylonsister]

9. Tubbs-Jones should get her facts straight:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_campaign_obama_plagiar.php

Hillary Campaign: Obama Plagiarized Speech From Supporter
By Eric Kleefeld - February 18, 2008, 11:45AM

The Clinton campaign is busy pushing a new line of attack against Barack Obama: That he plagiarized a section of his speech this past weekend at the Democratic Party of Wisconsin dinner, from a speech given two years ago by Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, a prominent Obama supporter.

snip//

The Clinton campaign argues that this act of plagiarism fundamentally, along with the current arguments about taking public financing, seriously undermine Obama's candidacy. "So if you're asking the electorate to judge you on your promises and you break them, and on your rhetoric and you lift it," argued campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson on a conference call with reporters, "there are fundamental questions that are raised about that campaign and that candidacy."

Election Central asked Wolfson about comments in this morning's New York Times from Patrick himself, who said he freely exchanges speech ideas with Obama and didn't think a citation was necessary. Wolfson said the plagiarism charge still holds because listeners go in with the assumption that Obama's speeches are original, unless credit is given. "So I think it's fine that Deval Patrick said that," Wolfson said. "But what I'm concerned about is that the public has an expectation that Sen. Obama's words are his own."

The Obama campaign also sent us further comment from Patrick. "Senator Obama and I are long-time friends and allies. We often share ideas about politics, policy and language," Patrick said. "The argument in question, on the value of words in the public square, is one about which he and I have spoken frequently before. Given the recent attacks from Senator Clinton, I applaud him responding in just the way he did."

[BeyondGeography]

18. "I applaud him responding in just the way he did."

Sounds like Deval is hopping mad about this supposedly unauthorized (cuz that's what plagiarism is) bit of speechifying to me.

[babylonsister]

30. It's ludicrous, but I'm not shocked. We know how low some people

will go. If Deval is okay with this, where's the beef? It's just a calculated distraction imo.

[Window]

41. LOL! He sure does.

I wonder if he'll sue Obama...



Peace:thumbsup:

[UALRBSofL]

29. The night of the dinner

After the speeches the local station ran both Patrick and Obama speeches simultaneously and there is where it started. Or at least that's what Jones said.

[babylonsister]

32. Like I said, she should have done some research. She sounded so defensive. nt

[liberalnurse]

33. TMP is just an Internet blog........

Josh makes thing up to get hits on bis little blog, that's obvious. He loves to hear himself chatter and have groupies like some we know,....swoon over his baited breath.

[babylonsister]

38. Baloney. Do you think he made up the Patrick quotes, or Wolfson quotes?

I think not, but good effort. :thumbsup:

[bvar22]

77. No, not even a good effort.

That post would need extra points to elevate it to mere mindless drivel,
but I commend you for being nice.

[catgirl]

45. Your posts are all starting to sound the same

sheer nonsense.

[Renew Deal]

54. That's bullshit.

Josh is one of the best.

[Garbo 2004]

68. That "little blog" put together the US Attnys firings story & helped get it into the MSM.

They developed the overarching story of a pattern of firings from seemingly isolated incidents in various parts of the country. When they started they were told there was no "there, there" but they kept at it, connecting dots from different parts of the country into a pattern. I was reading them at the time so saw the beginnings of the story, what they did & how. Your disdain and dismissiveness is not warranted.

Columbia Journalism Review article: http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/how_talkingpointsmemo_beat_the.php

Annenberg Online Journalism Review: http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/070320niles/

[NashVegas]

74. Please. You Know That's Not Entirely True

Josh does some great first-hand reporting.
'
It just happens that when it comes to campaign cycles, he has his priorities (the only comments he posted about Dean in 2004 - his and others - were negative) and will serve the party brass.

[stillcool]

49. This stuff is getting too funny!

From kindergarten to word-gate.

[Egnever]

59. So if you're asking the electorate to judge you on your promises and you break them

This dude has balls saying this kind of stuff considering hillary's whole strategy right now relies on rule breaking to seat the FL and MI delegates

[babylonsister]

67. This dude is a dudette, but she claimed the Clinton camp said nothing

about the charges leveled against Obama, when they inspired them per that article, and another one floating around here. She is either woefully uninformed, or she's not telling the truth. Either way, that goes to character, of her and the Clinton camp. Why does everything have to be such a big drama with them? I'm exhausted! :D

[Egnever]

75. Well I was much younger when Bill was president

I never really understood back then all the hoopla. Its starting to mae a lot more sense now. If they responded to everything back then the way they are now, well. All I can say is its no wonder they made the right wing batshit crazy.

[rodeodance]

14. What a HOOT--Go Tubbs-Jones.

[CorpGovActivist]

15. The Congresscritter was an idiot. n/t

[Skidmore]

20. I was a little confused by Ms. Tubbs-Jones.

First she vehemently denied that the Clinton campaign had made this accusation and then said that some news organization had put out films and that voters could draw their own conclusions. At the end, she went off on how the Clinton campaign was just trying to draw peoples attention to this and that the media weren't reporting on Obama the way the Clinton campaign would like. Now, to me that said that the Clinton campaign talks out of both sides of its mouth.

[sniffa]

31. But didn't you notice how dismissive and loud she was?

That's what matters.

[K Gardner]

22. LOL.. Nora was hearing the SOUND ROOM talking in her earpiece telling her to STOP

the interview and GO TO the News Conference on the shooting. Are you daft?? STOPPED IN HER TRACKS? ROFL.

Edited to add: Did you not hear them talking earlier about "waiting for updates from the hospital and news conference with a shooting victim" ?? It was a PLANNED event that MSNBC was waiting to cover. Good gawd.

[PCIntern]

36. LOL all you want...

these professionals can listen and talk and 'think' at the same time. I won't bore you with the same type of sacrcasm which you subjected me to, so I'll tell you that this little wispy WASP was not ready for the angry broadside she received. Sorry to disagree wholeheartedly with you.

"Good Gawd" yourself...

[K Gardner]

50. Sorry PCI.. I had a different take and could have expressed that without sarcasm. Apologies.

[PCIntern]

57. Apology more than accepted...

and I thank you for that civility.

:hi:

[K Gardner]

61. Thanks :-)

[liberalnurse]

23. Stephanie-Tubb-Jones is one great Ohioan!

[chimpymustgo]

34. Used to be a hero here. Till she failed to fall in line. Under the bus for you, Stephanie!

Another great American bites the Obama dust.

[liberalnurse]

39. Stephanie Tubb Jones is 100% Hillary supporter.

I just saw with her Thursday with Hillary and Ted Strickland.

[babylonsister]

43. She certainly isn't perfect, but then, who is? nt

[AX10]

58. Sadly right.

[LizW]

62. Dang, it's getting crowded under the bus! n/t

[FrenchieCat]

25. I feel sorry for Tubbs-Jones.

She picked the wrong candidate to back, and now feels that she needs to justify her position of being what Lieberman is to McCain as she is to Clinton.

That's what happens when you kiss the hem of the skirt of those who perpetuate what you are supposed to have spent your whole life fighting against.

Stephanie Tubbs-Jones will be sorry for this dumbshit--"how come the media is not attacking Obama?" ..."Why?"...she cries.

She sounded so silly, it wasn't even funny! I hate to see a sister put herself out like that for no reason! Barbara Lee is shaking her head at Ms. Tubbs-Jones as we speak.

[liberalnurse]

42. No she didn't nor did I.

Your in for a big surprise.

[tekisui]

26. Clinton Camp: It wasn't US......(because we saw that it backfired.)

[K Gardner]

37. They're lying, AGAIN. Did you hear what Tubbs said at the end..

"If we hadn't BROUGHT this to you, it never would have been discussed."

She admits it. Is proud of it. They're running on this and they're going to snuff the last of the air out of the sink hole.

[tekisui]

27. dupe.

[Garbo 2004]

35. The Clinton campaign was sending out the videos to media and Wolfson did accuse according to

Politico:

Howard Wolfson, the Clinton campaign's communications director, today accused Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) of committing “plagiarism” in a speech in Milwaukee on Saturday night.

Wolfson made the explosive charge in an interview with Politico after suggesting as much in a conference call with reporters.

On the call, Wolfson said: “Sen. Obama is running on the strength of his rhetoric and the strength of his promises and, as we have seen in the last couple of days, he’s breaking his promises and his rhetoric isn’t his own.”

"When an author plagiarizes from another author there is damage done to two different parties. One is to the person he plagiarized from. The other is to the reader," said Wolfson. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8570.html

[tyne]

44. Obama supporters

best get to work sending the numerous Hillary "I'm fired up and ready to go" type videos to various shows.

I'm sure the camp already did...but, it wouldn't hurt to get them from viewers.

Go to it!

[K Gardner]

40. Tubbs-Jones: "If we hadn't BROUGHT this to you, it never would have been discussed."

[tishaLA]

47. She was probably listening to her producer in her ear

which is why she stopped and then went to the press conference. She undoubtedly was getting instruction to throw to the presser just as Tubbs-Jones was finishing her answer.

[Renew Deal]

48. If that's what happened. Tubbs-Jones lied

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8570.html

[kerry-is-my-prez]

51. That was great - Maybe Steph should run for Prez.

n/t

[K Gardner]

52. Yes, because we need another bitter, partisan, nasty and divisive woman starting a war within the

party. Someone willing to say or do anything, destroy anyone.. to win.

[ShortnFiery]

60. IMO, concise and well put.

You typed exactly how I was feeling at the time. Thank-you. :hi:

[apocalypsehow]

53. Actually, what was undoubtedly happening was that O'Donnell was hearing her producer talk to her

in her earpiece, and wasn't flustered so much as seeking a way to transition to a breaking news story (which is exactly what they went to, a press conference about the recent tragic campus shooting). My wife, who is a reporter for a local TV station here, was watching that segment with me and she agrees. Happens all the time on a busy news day when folks are on air live.

[PCIntern]

64. OR...

they went to a different story b/c they had to break the rising line of tension and the Clubber Lang (See Rocky III) manner of the 'guest'. N.B.: it was the most idiotic Presser I've ever seen where the docs and administration of the hospital first stated that no questions were to be asked of the patient and that all due respect was to be given her privacy while, I might add, she's sitting on camera. Now that's privacy!

I know that Norah was listening...and I also think, that she wanted to get out of there like Jackie wanted to get out of the back of the limo in Dallas.

[Eurobabe]

55. Tubb-Jones did not fair well IMHO.

[K Gardner]

65. You know, it really reminds me of the Schumer interview on MTP yesterday that

I did a post about this morning. He was CLEARLY reciting talking points yet was clearly uncomfortable with it.

Tubbs-Jones was also sent on a mission, to deliver a specific message: Obama is a cheater. Yet she sounded loud, defensive, bitter and aggressive and contradicted herself in a major way. She did not sound like a normal spokesperson on a teevee show. She sounded like a person who really felt uncomfortable doing what she was doing, and her tone/demeanor reflected that.

Psych 101 adjourned ! :wow:

[blogslut]

66. I do like seeing Norah get her comeuppance

Too bad I'm missing it. No teevee.

[VotesForWomen]

69. 'bout time somebody called the MSM on their B.S. nt

[Phx_Dem]

70. I saw something different

I saw it, but my take was completely different that yours. I saw Nora stop listening to Tubbs-Jones because she was listening to someone in her earpiece telling her to cut away to an upcoming news conference about the Illinois shooting.

Clinton is living up to her reputation of a "win at all cost, scorched earth" candidate. She epitomizes what is wrong with Washington. Even if she wins the nomination, which looks doubtful, she'll never win the election when most of her own party won't vote for her because of her hateful tactics.

Edited to add: Since DU doesn't allow more than one user name per e-mail address, I used my husband's user name for this post. His views don't always coincide with mine so I just wanted to make it clear that this was written by me, and reflects my own personal opinion.

[LibraLiz1973]

72. ha ha- I loathe Nora!!

[PCIntern]

73. Me too!