Michelle Obama makes a boo-boo

[bidenista]

Unbelievable. It really is all about them, isn't it?

(If Barack is the eventual nominee, he might want to tell Michelle to be a bit more thoughtful about what she announces on the campaign trail. The Repubs turned THK into a weapon against JK, and she never came out with anything as explosive as this.)

[tekisui]

1. No boo-boo at that link.

Maybe you meant to link something else?

[scheming daemons]

2. We've missed you bidenista....

....

The 3-thread limit is really crimping your style, huh?

Did the Clinton campaign alter their payment mechanism for you since you can't spam the site with as many threads as you like any more?

[elixir2]

131. The ol' payment slur, hysterical.

[AX10]

3. She was never proud of this country before he ran?

:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

I have been proud of this nation many times before, not just when someone I cared about was running for public office.
:thumbsdown:

[chimpymustgo]

12. It's all about the O. That's just an awful thing to say. Last 8 years, okay, I can buy that.

But your entire adult life? They are taking this Messiah thing WAAAAY to seriously.

[Moochy]

20. Sad Desperate Attempt at Spin by Hillaries lowest common denominator supporters

[goldcanyonaz]

25. They believe all their good press.

[gaspee]

27. I know

I've been accused of being anti-American and in a few ways, I am. But I'm only a few years younger than Mrs. Obama and even I can find things I'm proud of our country for.

Major boo-boo. But it won't hurt in the primaries. In the general, it's gonna smart.

[AX10]

34. I was proud to see Americans kick the GOP out of power..

in 2006. Even though Bush is still President, the GOP lost power in the congress and the states.
Michelle Obama was not proud of that.:eyes:

[enid602]

84. now or never

That's why he's said we either take him now or never. Now. Or never.

[Hoof Hearted]

166. Did I miss something? He said he won't run again if we don't give him is way?

When did that happen?

[enid602]

168. strange

Michelle actually said it a couple of months ago. I thought it strange at the time.

[Hoof Hearted]

170. Michelle said he would run this one time and never again? Did she give a reason?

And was this his decision or is she telling him he's not allowed?

[smalll]

28. Wow. Obamarosa really put her foot in it this time.

Now, on an odd day in February during the primaries, not such a big deal. Say something like this in October, and McSame could ride into the White House on its wake. Troubling.

[Moochy]

Can we avoid nicknames punk?

no wonder you were on ignore for so god damned long.

[AX10]

37. You Obamites have been using nick-names on HRC from day one.

[John Q. Citizen]

56. So, are you going to be leaving our community after Hill concedes or are you just planning to

stfu?

[gaspee]

58. You made me laugh

Obamarosa! I know I shouldn't be laughing but that's funny!

[Arkana]

159. Really? I've been calling her either "Hillary" or "Senator Clinton"

the entire time.

[rodeodance]

86. I will drop one if you drop one.

[elixir2]

134. I kind of like Obamarosa. It's kind of like "sposa" (meaning wife in Italian) and Obama.

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[earth mom]

181. Obamarosa! ROFLMAO! I knew there was a reason I found Michelle Obama so annoying.

She must be related to Omarosa!

:rofl:

[Mags]

48. Yes, You would think all Americans have been proud of

the USA at sometime in their life. It does look like it is all about them.

[Maraya1969]

64. Posted by Turner at the link

A lot of people of color and people with non mainstream gender identities have felt outside of the ideal America that we are all sold as children. 40 years ago, fire hoses and dogs were turned on African Americans, civil rights fighters were lynched and assassinated, in the south Black kids couldn't play on the same Little League team or swim at the same municipal pool as White kids.

America hasn't always been America to everyone. Let's acknowledge that while America has much to be proud of, there are plenty of reasons for various people to feel let down by this country. However, if we don't work to correct that which lets us down, we have only our selves to blame.

[woolldog]

143. excellent post Maraya.

And very true too.

[jillan]

4. She will make one heckuva first lady, won't she?

The repugs already call him unpatriotic. They are going to love this.

[Moochy]

5. You might want to elaborate

I think I sense the direction of your "concern" but spell it out for all us dumb folks.

And on edit, WOW my ignore list is awesome. It caught almost all these idiots!

[John Q. Citizen]

40. It will be soon that Hill concedes, and all the smear artists will either have to shut up or

be tombstoned.

I'm so glad it's turning out this way.

I almost posted a "Guess the date of Hillary's concession speech" poll ealier, but I figued why rub it in.

Hill is almost mathimatically out of the race. And the party isn't going to put up with Hill's ugliness for much longer. I wonder how many supers will switch to Obama because of this?

[juajen]

52. I wonder how many Hillary supporters will not vote for President

if that is the case? There are plenty of us who would rather vote for the devil.

[cd3dem]

70. I would write in Hillary Clinton first!

I would die from chocking on my own vomit if I tried to vote for Obama...

it is more than a difference in issues or who won a fair campaign... the more I hear.. the more I fear this country is in turmoil and Obama may be worse for our country than McCain or Bush!

[Moochy]

76. Another Pleasant Hillary Supporter "chocking on my own vomit"

[John Q. Citizen]

Well at least you won't be saying that her at DU much longer. Thems the rules.

So when did you meet Obama?

[John Q. Citizen]

83. That doesn't suprise me a bit. You go vote for the devil. That will show us all!

how wrong we were to choose Obama over Hillary.

And teach us a big lesson.

Maybe the devil will get you a pony?

[proud2BlibKansan]

167. And some of us know that not voting is a vote for McCain

But hey if you want to let your pride get in the way . . .

[Mags]

57. It ain't over til it's over!! Remember that.

[John Q. Citizen]

107. The supers will just declare for Obama, soon if Hill won't face reality. The party isn't

put up with her scorched earth hissy fit for much longer. She's becoming an embarrassment to herself and the party as a whole.

If Hill can't do the math, and nobody in her campaign will tell her the math, the party will do it for her and for itself.

They aren't going to let Hill take everybody else down with her.

[ruggerson]

6. So she never felt proud of her country before he ran for President?

Good god.

[AtomicKitten]

9. That's some extrapolation!

good gawd indeed

[MonkeyFunk]

109. Extrapolation?

"For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”

[demokatgurrl]

156. What extrapolation?

It looks like a direct quote of a straightforward statement to me.

[TankLV]

11. yep - seems that's THE thing to come away from her talk...

nice...

[Name removed]

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[MISSDem]

89. Is that exactly what she said? In that context?

I don't think so.

[gaspee]

7. This won't hurt

With many dems who feel the same way, and it obviously won't hurt with the Obama supporters who see any kind of criticism as heresy, but it's sure gonna hurt in the general, and boy how.

A lot of the people who vote R are extremely defensive about the things that are wrong with our country.

They don't like to admit that the best way to improvement is to acknowledge that things aren't perfect.

This is gonna hurt in the general.

[BeyondGeography]

23. She got carried away; it's allowed

But, I agree, she will need to clarify that she has "never been prouder" and re-declare her love for America at the same time.

A scratch mark if it's handled the right way.

[Straight Shooter]

103. Remember when Teresa said Laura bush had "never worked"?

An innocent remark, touched with a bit of snarkiness, sure, but the ensuing uproar was unimaginable in its proportions.

[karynnj]

146. That is not what Teresa said

It was on the View, Teresa was asked how she would be a different first lady than Laura. Teresa then said several kind things about Laura including how she was there for people after 911. She then said that one different between her and Laura was that much of her identity came via the work she did through her foundation. She then said that Laura's strength came from other things. She said that that was an area where she was different than Laura Bush who had not worked since she was young Laura Bush, who was in her mid 50s had not worked for about 25 to 30 years. The difference is real and Teresa went out of her way to speak well of Laura.

This was a case of people intentionally parsing what she said and spinning it. I watched it because the Kerry/Edwards blog had the time it was on - the concensus there when it was being said was to question why THK praised Laura so much.

There was NOT the slightest hint of snarkiness. THK then quickly appologized and the witch, Karen Hughes then said the apoology was no good because staying home as a mother was work, ignoring the fact that THK was a stay home mom with her boys.

The reaction was a typical RW echo chamber whipped frenzy that needed no real event to start.

[Straight Shooter]

152. Well, there you have it.

I don't watch television, certainly wouldn't watch The View if I did watch TV, but the MSM distorted what she said and all I caught was the essence of what they filtered through the media. FWIW, I was a much bigger fan of the fiery Teresa than the hapless Kerry, and thought she would be an energizing vital presence as First Lady. Her "Stuff it!" comment to a reporter didn't help, either.

In far fewer words, Michelle has given the MSM and the Repubs precious ammunition. I can just hear McCain now: "Folks, I've disagreed at times with the way things are done, but I've always been proud of my country. If I weren't, I don't know how I could justify in my own heart those years as a POW. I'm proud to be an American, and I know all of you are, too." *applause applause*

America hasn't been in such a jingositic state since I don't know when. This remark will not play well in Middle America.

[karynnj]

164. I think that was the ONLY time I watched the view

I think that both Teresa and JK were distorted. They are both extremely serious, purposeful people, who have both done much good in their lives. I greatly amire the graceful way they kept going after a narrow loss both working as hard as they could to create the change needed.

I think the Republicans, including many who had known and liked Teresa for decades realised that if people saw her for who she was it would cause them to think better of her husband and take more time to see who he was. In fact, living in a state that borders PA - I met a few women who as former Republicans were for Kerry, because they trusted THK.

I agree that THK gave them relatively little, but what they got they spun viciously. Even as an ardent Kerry supporter, I did not see the depth of Teresa's accomplishments until many were explained in their book tour. When she described her role in an annual conferanceher foundation has hosted for 12 years on woman's health, onocology and environmental toxins as helping to bring together people working on related issues to help them see possible connections and synergies, I could see what she was trying to speak of on the View. (The transferance to what a First Lady could do is obvious.)

That question in fact was a land mine. By definition, for the media and the Republicans, Laura Bush was perfect. THK was asked to give a difference. What could she have said that would have NOT led to a reaction? (Saying she had lived on three continents, spoke 5 languages would have been seen as saying Laura was provincial by some and others would use it to say she was foreign.)

I've seen several Michelle Obama interviews - and she is funny, nice and soft spoken - not to mention incredibly intelligent. Chicago relatives of mine who have met her say that she is very nice. (They know her because a few years ago Sasha Obama took "dance" with their little girl.)

Remember 1992, HRC was a lightening rod. She gave the press many things to after her on.

My quess is that if anyone met these three women at the times their spouse was running and didn't know who they were and had a 10 minute conversation with them, they would all have been described very positively. It is impossible to be on record 12 plus hours a day, day after day and never say anything wrong.

[Straight Shooter]

153. *dupe* n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

8. She's such an egomaniac. Missed you Bidenista!

[grrr050]

78. Look what kind of Monster....

we have created. Way to go Obamas!

[Guava Jelly]

10. why did i take you off of ignore?

Won't make that mistake again..Have fun spamming.

[Moochy]

16. Well there is a positive side effect

this thread has added 5 more idiots to the special list.

A word of advice dont put the self-selected ringleaders on full ignore.

[Straight Shooter]

13. That'll win them over in the "Proud To Be An American" states.

MILWAUKEE -- So what did Michelle Obama think of the United States before her husband decided he wanted to run the place?

“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”

She was born in 1964, became an adult in 1982 or 1985, depending on how you look at it, and so it's taken her almost 20 years to find a reason to be proud of this country.

Keep talking, Michelle.

[AX10]

31. I love that "Obama/McClurkin" emotcon.

:thumbsup:

[Straight Shooter]

Thanks. It used to say "Traitors In The White House" n/t

[NJSecularist]

14. More fake outrage from the Hillbots

You guys would be offended by anything.

[rodeodance]

96. yeah--I saw all the outrage/ HATE/name calling directed at Chelsea last few days.

[scheming daemons]

15. Um.... have YOU been proud of this country during the Bush years?

... how about the Reagan years?


There are lots of times in my adult life that I haven't been proud of this country.

November/December of 2000 was one of them.

October of 2002 was another.

November of 2004 was another.

[chimpymustgo]

33. I agree. Plenty of times I haven't been proud. But many times that I have.

Not a Hillary supporter - but you have to ask What Michelle is saying about herself and her husband here. I don't think it's attractive.

[NJObamaWoman]

114. She is saying what she feels. What many of us feel in this country.

I've never been proud of being an American. Not when racism still exist. Not when a black man was struggled off the back of a truck in texas, or a black man in NY had been raped with a plunger, when that black woman last year in West Virginia was attacked brutially by two white people etc. Please tell me what should I be proud of in America when I never seen a black person successfully get into the White House. You would think that for every race the sky is the limit for them in America. But for blacks its not when you have the fear that a black person will be shot for running for office or that a black person will never make it into the white house.

This is why I never felt like an American because I always knew that blacks had their place and we will never advance to the highest office in the land.

[gaspee]

43. Well, if that's what she said

That would be one thing. But read exactly what she said.

It's not going to play well with the America right or wrong or America love it or leave it crowd.

[scheming daemons]

73. That "crowd" was never going to vote for a Democrat anyway....

...so it is not an issue.

[gaspee]

88. I agree

But the problem is the way the media spins things and the way people buy into the crap.

I never in a million years thought the swift-boat thing would stick - I honestly thought they'd be laughed off the political stage.

I never, ever, ever thought Max Cleland could be painted as a terrorist sympathizer.

Moderate, normal, non wingnut people fall for the spin the RW uses with this type of statement.

Even people who hate BUsh don't want to be told our country sucks.

[griffi94]

17. the right wing media

wouldn't ever use this against him...after all he's for hope and change...lol
what a stupid thing to say in public...this rates right up there with george allens macacca staement...

[Voltaire]

18. What did she say that was incorrect?

The problem is jackasses who cannot admit that America is nowhere near what their puny little egos insist it is. Time to stop sucking up to their sensibilities and make them grow the hell up!

[kennetha]

19. Bad day for the Obama's

What a stupid, stupid remark! Utterly narcissistic too! But it shows the true colors of the Obama mindset. "We are the change we have been waiting for." All else is just a prelude to "us."

[scheming daemons]

26. At least Obama refers to "Us".... Clinton only refers to "Me".

That's the difference between the two.



Why is it stupid to say that it has been a long time since we've been able to be proud of this country?


I've been very UN-proud of my country most of this decade. Are you PROUD of the Bush years?

[Maribelle]

45. And totally feeds into the wingnuts mantra for years that Democrats were not proud of this county.

This really sticks if right wing hate mongers have a field day with this.

[noiretextatique]

21. i am still not "proud of my country"

had a brief feeling of "ok" in the 60's and 70's, but mostly disgust since then, with a few exceptions. and given the fervor of obama supporters, i doubt this will do much damage.

[kennetha]

32. I haven't always been proud of our country either

But for someone aspiring to political office say that they've never had a single moment of pride in his/her country ever until what -- he/she or his/her significant other decided to seek an office -- well that's a bit on the arrogant and narcissistic side, don't you think?

It's the kind of the thing the Republicans used to and will again excoriate democrats about -- our "blame America first" mentality. That will work wonders with the Reagan democrats who don't share many left elites reflexive mild anti-Americanism. Not smart politics at all.

[noiretextatique]

41. it was not the most politically astute thing to say

i will grant you that. however, given all obama's republican support, i doubt it will cause much of a ruckus.

[bowens43]

22. What's unbelievable is Hillary's army

poking it's ugly head up out of the sewers to spew this kind if nonsense in a a vain attempt to draw attention away from the fact that Hillary is not fit to be president.

[Moochy]

24. rotting stench of desperation

[Mags]

72. Michelle made the comment, not some poster.

Do you BO followers believe the moon is made of cheese?

[griffi94]

30. if obama can't get his wife to stop making

stupid ass comments like this in public....a majority of americans won't think he's fit to be president either....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. I was just thinking the same thing about Bill.

:shrug:

[griffi94]

39. yeah

but this thread isn't about hillary and bill is it....it's about the obamas....and she seems to have stuck her foot in her mouth....don't worry i'm sure the press will give her a pass....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. If not...

I'm sure there's plenty of people like you out there to slur Obama as unpatriotic.

[griffi94]

71. i didn'y say

a goddamned thing about obamas patriotism ...i said it was a stupid thing to say and it is....
yer the kool aid drinker that tried to make it about the clintons......ok meester mind reader....what does this do for obama with people who believe what they read in the paper and see on the news...
i'm sure the good people in flyover country will be charmed by this quote huh....

[rodeodance]

101. HA HA HA--YOU LOOK AROUND lately at the Obamacampers sewage?? HUH

[juajen]

29. I think you should quote from the article.

Before I linked (a lot of people do not link every time), I thought she said "I've been proud of my country many times before, etc.).

The direct quote got me. Yeah, that was a huge goof. I'm sure Hillary will use it also, and she should.

[robbedvoter]

35. We suck - until that is, BO graced us with his presence

[Moochy]

38. I guess all the extreme nationalist patriots are offended

HOW DARE SHE NOT BUY INTO AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!!


BEST COUNTRY EVER!!!!!!!111111

[bidenista]

46. puhleez, that is some desperate spin

It's not American exceptionalism to think that there are reasons to be proud of the US other than the fact that your husband has a shot at the White House. Her comment makes her sound like an egocentric bozo.

[Moochy]

55. Nice projection

And you can't see how a black woman could say this in America? And I suppose your advice is that she should just watch her tongue for fear of being accused of being uppity by the republicans who might roll out the smear in the general?

Is that it? Bidenista? So in reality the Obama campaign should be grateful for the preview of the smears!

[bidenista]

130. yes, that's it

I'm a racist, Hillary's Satan, you win. :eyes:

[Moochy]

132. No you may not be a racist

but you are a hypocrite, and have repeatedly shown yourself to be not so concerned about the merit of your spurious claims.

[bidenista]

137. more ad hominems

Have you considered addressing her astonishing remark, rather than flinging crap at me? Because at the moment, it's pretty obvious you're trying to distract from an indefensible statement.

[Moochy]

139. I agree with her statement.

American Exceptionalism is a lie. As to your sides claims of egotism, I just don't buy it.

And calling you a hypocrite is describing your behavior. You can change your behavior.

[bidenista]

140. her statement has nothing to do with american exceptionalism

You can be proud of your country without subscribing to an exceptionalist view of its role in the world. I'm proud of my family, but I don't think they're the best family in the world - whatever that is.

Calling me a hypocrite is a silly distraction, unless you care to substantiate it.

[Moochy]

142. A Silly distraction would be to attempt to engage with you in an honest discourse

[bidenista]

149. and another ad hominem in response to a serious point

Well, no-one can accuse me of not trying.

[Moochy]

151. Yeah you get bonus points for being

so honest. :puke:

I get it, you think that Michele Obama should have parsed her words carefully and not spoken so dangerously about her belief in the message that america can elect a black president. That is just so egotistical of her to believe in her husband.

You win! She does hate America. I'm voting for Hilary now, for fear that Michele Obama will speak out and be accused of being america-hating anti-patriotic first lady!

[robbedvoter]

178. who the f* says one needs "exceptionalism" to be proud of something?

I don't need to think we are the only people who would stand for what's right - in fact I am quite aware that people do it more in other parts of the world. yet, when my compatriots do it AS WELL, I am proud of them.
Gore Vidal's statement was ignorant and elitist - it was not my nationalism, but my different POV that made me disagree. I don't see history as a succession of presidents and celebrities, but a succession of struggles. As such - lots to be proud -0 and not in the "we're #1" sense - but in the "we can do good" meaning.

[Moochy]

133. oops dup

self-delete

[kennetha]

47. May not be the best country ever -- by a long shot

But nobody who aspires to be president of it is going to get elected if either he/she or his/her spouse sincerely believes and says that it's one of the worst countries ever. I don't for a second believe that either Barack or Michelle believe any such thing. But this is the kind of amateur hour mistake that will cost them and by extension us the election -- big time! She needs a good talking to. Don't know if anybody on the campaign staff has the standing to do it. So Barack better do it himself.

I bet you a statement is forthcoming soon, clarifying.

[griffi94]

50. right

because we all know that only extreme nationalist patriots are proud of their country.....
everyone who doesn't realize how much we suck....and how we as a country have never done a single thing to be proud of until obama showed up to save us...is just a hillbot neocon....save us obama...save us jeebus....:sarcasm:

[robbedvoter]

79. Last time I felt this way was when Gore Vidal made a similar assertion on Charlie Rose

To the question: "Is there anything good in this country history?" he answered "NO". We said "Fuck him!" In this case is a double - as it's narcissistic too.
What do I feel proud of you ask?
Those "excesses of the 60s and 70s BO is not that invested in. The fight for civil rights. Anti-war. people doing the right thing.
it's been going on a lot during my adult life - way before Wall Street founded a wishy-washy candidate for POTUS in 2008.

[Moochy]

111. Nationalism is a poison

look at how it has addled your critical thinking faculties.

[robbedvoter]

115. Did you actually read my post or just knee jerk attack me?

[Moochy]

121. Of course i read it, it was short and to the point

Your knee jerk reaction to Gore Vidal's comments to charlie Rose's question

you posted that your reaction was "Fuck you" to that.

This is the nationalist thinking that i consider poisonous. It is borne from the indoctrinated mind. Never mind me though, our country is Exceptional(tm)

[NJObamaWoman]

66. Yes America did suck before BO. I never dreamed that we fill have

a black president one day. So I was never into politics because this is a white run country and my black ass better not hope for anything like this because this will never happened. For some of us out there who deal with racism EVERYDAY BO has given us hope and a true feeling of what its like of being an American by having someone to actually root/vote for who has come from struggles like you do. I've never had a candidate who has inspired me. In the past I've voted because my family were dems. I never voted in a primary I just voted for whoever was on the ticket. :(

[madrchsod]

97. you are a perfect example of

what these guys are talking about...you need to know your place and accept the fact that america is a wonderful place
for people like you.:evilgrin:

be sure to read one of the weekly magazines-sorry i forgot- about michelle. she`s really something and she explains about how she feels about america then and now ...she said was the god`s truth. don`t frown about these clowns that don`t understand.:hi:

[butterfly77]

147. Remember he hasn't won yet,,,

and if he does you still don't know what he will or can do if he becomes president, for now they all are making promises...

[rodeodance]

82. Its does have that flavor.

[juajen]

42. "For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of my country"

and the rest, "because hope is....". Sorry I forgot the entire last part, but believe me, this is damning whether you supporters of Obama want to admit it or not. Hillary should use this quote. It is a remarkable thing to say. For instance, we send a remarkable amount of money overseas to deal with emergencies and also send medicine for aids and hunger, and ad nauseum. So, even if she can't be proud of everything the government is doing, there is still plenty to be proud of.

[gaspee]

53. I admit

I am not very proud of our country, but even I have been proud of it in my adult lifetime. I'm proud of our help in the aftermath of the devastating Tsunami. And that was in the *Bush* years - I could probably even find something to be proud of during the Ray-gun years.

She needs to correct herself, loudly and publicly and FAST

[ShortnFiery]

60. You folks must be desperate. Why should I be surprised when Bill doesn't know what *IS* *IS*

Yes, let's play the "parsing words" game and bring back all the SHAME that Bill Clinton's arrogance brought to The Office of The President of The United States. IMO, Bill Clinton is an TRUE embarrassment to our beloved country, I only wish he would be as low profile as Michelle Obama. :shrug:

[Beausoir]

77. Straight out of the Rush Limbaugh playbook.

[griffi94]

81. i'll point this out one more time

this thread isn't about the clintons....it's about something michelle obama said....now how did desperate clinton supporters make her shoot her mouth off in public...with a statement that will in fact be brought into play sometime before nov.......

[griffi94]

61. didn't we even send money and some

ex presidents to the tsunami victims....nothing to be proud of there....:sarcasm:

[NJObamaWoman]

74. Mrs. Obama is right and if Clinton uses that it will backfire on her

for many people like myself a black woman this is the first time I feel proud of being an american. I feel like I'm truly an american right now because someone like me now has a successful chance of getting into the white house. That I'm seeing WHITE, BLACK, LATINOS etc coming together to support A black man in America. America where many of our black men are in prisons and many blacks are treated unfairly.

Theres nothing bad about what she said. Its just some HRC supporters who want to twist it and don't understand where this woman is coming from. So I beg HRC to use it and see if she doesn't get her ass handed to her.lol

[NashVegas]

148. In Your Dreams

Stop trying to have it both ways. Stop trying to nail Hillary Clinton for every misstep, while simultaneously insisting no one can go negative on Barack Obama.

It ain't gonna happen.

[Moochy]

87. what's more damning..

is the hypocrisy of you hillary supporters grasping at her comments in an attempt to spin her as egotistical.

[GoldieAZ49]

176. get the quote right, then go into your faux outrage

"For the first time in my adult life, I'm VERY proud of my country"


As well she should be VERY proud of her country at this time, we have come a long way to have these candidates running for POTUS.

now, back to your bullshit

[BigDDem]

182. "get the quote right, then go into your faux outrage"

:rofl: :rofl:

When you tell someone to "get the quote right" you may want to get
it right yourself!!!!!!!

The correct quote:
For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am REALLY proud of my country

Really, not "very"

Better luck next time!

:rofl:

[NJObamaWoman]

51. Oh Please has anyone researched her life or picked up Newsweek.

Most of the people in this thread should be ashamed of their selves. This is a black woman who struggle to get out of the inner city and to make a life for herself. If you all dont get that being black in america is hard than you are cold hearted bastards. She faced racism at Princeton and Harvard. Because she wasn't out for herself during those times she helped to teach local inner city students. This is a remarkable woman who NO ONE who claims to be to be tolerant of other races shall not bash this strong woman's pride of finally being like a true American.
When I see some HRC and Edwards supporters bash Michelle Obama it makes me sick. It also makes me never want to vote for any of those candidates ever again. I AM MICHELLE OBAMA. There are many of us black women who ARE MICHELLE OBAMA. I've had to deal with the same issues in America that she has as a black woman. I can't relate to HRC she has had all the privilege that many of us never had. All these attacks IMHO just hurts the opposition more. Thats why IMHO you saw SC blacks stick with Obama. And most black blogs like Jack and Jill Politics etc are supporting the Obamas. When I see the disgusting trashing of this heroic woman I am truly sicken to my stomach.

In fact I agree with Michelle this is a proud moment for the people who have struggled here especially the black community. This is the first time I FEEL like an American. This is the first time I ever wanted to vote in a primary, this is the first time my family has ever donated money or donated their time. I don't have a problem with Michelle Obama its just narrow minded people who want to tear a strong woman like Michelle Obama down who has struggled in this country to lift herself up out of the inner city and to make more of herself than just being black.

[noiretextatique]

67. i first realized i was an american when i was 18

and living in italy.i had to leave this country i order feel any connection to it. i don't think many black people will be offended by her comment, even if, like myself, we don't agree with her.

[BeyondGeography]

69. The Hillbots shouldn't push too hard for an explanation of this

because, by the time Michelle is done with it, the whole country will be in tears. She can talk about the beauty of going to red, rural America and being accepted, the thanks she feels in her heart that America is judging her husband on his merits and what it says about how far we have come since she was born.

So, go ahead everyone, Michelle Obama now has a lot of beautiful things to say about this country. Just keep pushing.

[kennetha]

80. I admire her life story. I admire Barack's too. But this was plain stupid.

Let me tell you a story -- about my father. He was born to the illiterate child of a dirt-poor share cropper in rural Georgia, in the depths of Jim Crow segregation days. He hopped on a train to Baltimore at the tender age of 14, to escape the poverty and deprivation he faced. Eventually, at the tender age of 16 he joined a still segregated Army during WWII. He got out of the Army and worked in various factories for nearly 50 years. Raised five sons some successful, some not. Won't bore you with all the details of my family life. But I tell you my father saw more racism, new more poverty, and diminished prospects, etc than I bet many on this board can imagine. But he is as proud of this country as any man I have ever known. That's because he deeply believes that if one works hard, studies hard, never gives up, this country will find a place for you and you will find a place in it. He imbued us all with a deep sense of "yes we can" -- though it took more with some of us than with others. He is never ever bitter about his days of abject poverty or his lack of formal education.

He really does love his country and has at times been filled with pride at what it enables a person to become. He is like me a died in the wool democrat and an utterly loyal union man. He hasn't like many recent administrations and he has often felt betrayed by politicians. But he hardly ever lets that make him feel down on America.

I think that's the kind of attitude those of us who always want America to be and become better should espouse.

[NJObamaWoman]

100. I respect that but you had to think about the other side. I deal with

teens everyday. I deal with young people in a city where they believe they aren't Americans. Their only way to get the American dream of money is to steal or sling dope. They don't have the nice neighborhood with mom and dad. They have crack head mom out on the street, daddy in and out of prison, sister prostituting herself, and then they have themselves trying to be parents to their younger siblings or to a kid they had out of wedlock. These same teens I talk to who are 18 don't feel like Americans. I tried to get them to register to vote and many said no way they dont care. That even if they voted for a black man it wouldn't matter because there is no way someone black will get into the white house because he'll be killed.

There are MANY people out there who don't feel like they are Americans and don't feel proud of America. If most people don't get this then please I beg people to go to shelters, be a big brother or sister, just do something because I talk to too many young people who grow up to be bitter individuals who continue to stay in poverty and ignorance because they have no one there for them.

[kennetha]

113. I understand and agree!

And that's one thing that is truly exciting about Barack's campaign -- its potential ability to re-write the whole narrative of American social life. I just wish that he had more of the gritty real-world fighter about his self-presentation and less of the "messianic" seller of hope. Because I do not for a moment believe that the force of his own story or his own personality is even close to enough to bring about the change we all want. And I feel that he may end up selling us a bill of goods.

But if he wins the nomination, a large part of me will cheer and hope for the best and work like the dickens to help him win the whitehouse. THe other part of me will be filled with doubt and trepidation. Cause I really fear that he isn't tough enough and isn't ready enough. If we could merge Hillary and Barack into one candidate I'd be ecstatic.

[chimpymustgo]

129. Michelle has enjoyed all the fruits this country has to offer.

Nobody on this board is saying this country doesn't have plenty to be ashamed of (since even before it was a country). But there's a lot to have been proud of over the course of one's adult life. Many things that you enjoy in life are available because of what this country allows people to create. Many freedoms to go where you want, say what you want, wear what you want is based on rights bestowed by our founding fathers. And yes, some of the bastards owned slaves.

Yes, the last 8 years have been a disgrace - as have other periods. And as a black woman myself, I know, I know.

But Michelle Obama claims she's never been proud of her country before her husband ran for President??? That's a very poor choice of words, at best. And at worst, damningly egomaniacal.

[ecstatic]

95. Beautifully stated.... nt

[madaboutharry]

145. To NJObamaWoman:

Thank you for your beautiful post.

[UALRBSofL]

54. Hey bidenista

Thanks for the link. :)

[JPZenger]

59. We're Not Electing Barack's Wife

Michelle Obama is very impressive. However, in any case, we're not voting for his wife. I imagine she will put most of her energy into raising her two small kids, after he is elected.

P.S. - Nice photo of typical Clinton fundraisers in the original post in this thread.

[gaspee]

62. Funny

how that works when we're talking about Michelle.

When Bill was accused of putting his foot in his mouth, all we heard was how it's bad for Senator Clinton.

Sigh.

Yeah, she'll just go back to her woman's work of raising the kids. Nevermind she's an accomplished lawyer who very clearly has a mind of her own.

She'll just go back where she belongs.

[cd3dem]

169. Yep, and just imagine how an Obama presidency will be! comics will love her!

[annie1]

177. i used to wish it were her running instead of him. but now, not so much.

[madrchsod]

63. funny stuff you post

one person`s opinion from the boston paper and one comment. the comment is actually what michelle was talking about.

i guess you are of the opinion that black america should be proud of the way they are treated in america! good for you! you should e-mail obama`s campaign with your discovery...

[Moochy]

65. Whats' Out: Plagiarism What's In: Michelle Obama Hates America

just updating the shills as to their current smear.

[smalll]

123. Current smear? You mean, current GAFFE.

Your Great Man is a dangerously inexperienced campaigner. A little case of plagarism, a little anti-American statement from his wife, a little snub now and then won't hurt much now, during the primaries, but you just wait until the general election! Obama might actually find a way to give it to McSame.

[Moochy]

161. Bonus points for using the word gaffe

Now don't you have some more bigoted remarks about Obama's family to make?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4647341#4648889

[Thrill]

68. Where is the boo boo?

[MISSDem]

75. Where's the rest? Isn't this taking things a little out of context?

And for many black people, it might take some looking to find something to be proud of in America.

[madrchsod]

102. out of context ? surely you jest...

nothing posted here is out of context. very thing posted here is the god`s truth....:rofl:

[cottonseed]

85. We're all Clintons now.

It's getting really filthy on this board.

[Name removed]

92. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cottonseed]

99. That's not very nice.

Seen the latest poll numbers out of Texas?

[ruggerson]

104. Nothing you've contributed to this forum has been nice

[cottonseed]

110. I'm not the one smearing a guy's wife.

So, I actually like my contributions.

[ruggerson]

128. How is reporting on a quote

smearing anyone?

She SAID it.

[cottonseed]

163. It's a smear when you misquote the "quote".

You're sick, if you think what you're doing here is honorable:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4647497&mesg_id=4647497

[ecstatic]

90. When should she have been proud of this country?

Can you offer some specifics? Maybe her experiences in this country differ from yours??

[rodeodance]

91. hey sweetie---glad to have you back. and love your post.

[in_cog_ni_to]

93. How nice of her. She's never been proud of this country? EVER? Until the Obama ran for prez?

:eyes: Good grief.


Michelle, Michelle, Michelle. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[NMMNG]

94. I swear, it has come to the point that "hope" is a dirty word.

I often want to :puke: when I hear it lately. It has become so over-used and mis-used that it's now cheap and tawdry.

Thank you Barack and Michelle Obama.

[gaspee]

119. ditto (n/t)

[nolabels]

98. The hilarity, uppity snots thinking poverty was the work of the impoverished

Goes with the territory i guess. Thankfully us people on the lower ladders of the economic scale know are own kind when we see them :P

[madrchsod]

106. yup.....

[tabatha]

105. I grew up in South Africa

and I was never proud of my own ex-country, because of the way the non-whites were treated.

I think a lot of people are embarrassed by this government.
There is a lot of history of bad treatment of people in this country too.

Australia has stepped up to the plate and apologized to the Aboriginal people.

When the US does the same, and takes steps to redress a lot of what was done to Native Americans, then there will be reason to be proud.

[BumRushDaShow]

108. I think many are missing

the point. Unless you walk in her or many AA's shoes and feel the burden of hundreds of years of going from being "savages" to "chattel property", "3/5ths" to "wait your turn" and other such nonsense that continues even now in this and other threads here... And then to suddenly watch across the country, a miracle occur... literally... unprecedented and consistent voting for an AA above the sacred 25% - 30% range that was the diamond wall. That does bring about initial shock and upwelling pride for this country that has been unfelt by many of us in our adult lives in my generation (I am the same age as Obama).

I watched the negativity and backhand allusions boot my candidate Kucinich right out the race before I ever had a chance to vote (being a PA voter), but have watched Obama slowly work for his vote - state after state after state. I had him at a 0 chance based on past AA candidates going back as far as Barabara Jordan and Angela Davis and of course the more recent ones everyone knows because I felt that American hadn't yet changed... Yet Obama has captured the imagination and woken up the rejected, disaffected, and left-for-dead democrats in so many "fly over" states that the dem party had conceded to the repukes and didn't bother helping. And getting those folks excited and voting can only mean good things for the party as a whole. How this pans out in the end is still to be seen, but this is a historic moment that many of us are basking in.

[kennetha]

118. She should have said ...

something like "I never have been SO proud of my country as I am now."

Notice the difference between "I have never been proud. until now." and "I never have been so proud as I am now."


The so proud formula isn't at all problematic and gives no ammunition to anyone.

[gaspee]

122. That's what I mean

By she needs to fix this and fix it now.

I am not an Obama supporter, but I do think he's going to be the nominee.

This needs to be fixed NOW - and just by saying she forgot one word "so" it can be mitigated, but it needs to be done NOW.

[BumRushDaShow]

136. I'm not understanding

why she should change what she said? :shrug: Why gloss over this country's horrid past and troubled present?

IMHO, and not a personal attack on you... but your response is exactly the type that many AAs have had to deal with 24/7/365. People defining what we think and mean and how we should speak and act and function. The anti-ammunition to her comment is to tell the person to pick up a damn history book and start back at Jamestown in the 1600s and keep reading until you get to the events of today.

Does this mean that this country is and always was a lost cause? Absolutely not. That thing that this country's current pResident called "just a goddamned piece of paper" is what so many of us have clung to as our "hope", particularly with people such as Kucinich who continue to speak out to enforce it against his own party's blockades. Who better to know about that piece of paper than a Constitutional lawyer like Obama, and that knowledge should be helpful for the future. What has transpired these past 2 months is miraculous and was enough to cause not only her but myself to exclaim pride in a deeper sense than ever before - just to see states like Idaho? Utah? Kansas? This is different and on a whole different scale IMHO.

[Bonobo]

112. Soon we won't have to listen to your crap. Can't wait.

[Enrique]

116. why did she hate America?

:-)

[gaspee]

117. Texas?

She needs to fix this before Texas or Texas could turn on them fast. I lived there for a year and this does type of statement does NOT play well in Texas.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

120. wow

[NoodleyAppendage]

124. I'm sorry, but how is this an issue? Other than you are another HillBot attempting to muddy the H20

J

[BigDDem]

125. I dont like her "tone"

[Straight Shooter]

160. That's exactly what Michelle and Barack said about Hillary. The same day, separate interviews.

Imagine that. But gawd forbid Hillary address their "tone."

[Lex Talionis]

126. Wait a minute, now.

Whats wrong with what she said? Haven't certain parties been telling young African Americans since the 60's that racist America was keeping them down? So why would she not think that way? Since Obama has been running, I've read several articles by staunch liberals saying that America would never vote for a blackman. That they were still held in thrall by America's racist nature. Looks like they were wrong. Sorry, no links, goggle it. Who here thought Obama would win Iowa? Nobody, Black or White that I know. I can understand wheres she's coming from. I have no problem with it and I'm glad its out in the open. Personally, I think some people are upset because someone wants to leave the "plantation", and are not properly grateful for the "sacrifices" made on their behalf. Also, looks like some are scrapping the wood at the bottom of the barrel to get something started on Obama. Good for her for saying it. GO BO!

[gaspee]

144. So it's racist?

Wrong.

I'm a socialist, lesbian, atheist. And while I'm in three discriminated groups, including one it's still *legally* OK to discriminate against, I still find things I'm proud of my country for.

Two things I can name off the top of my head.

The US navy being the first on the scene in some of the hardest hit Tsunami areas. The US military saving people during the Bam earthquake - in Iran no less.

The US Coast guard during Katrina. The rest of the Katrina response sucked, but those Coast Guard guys saving people day after day without rest made me very proud.

And that's during the Bush years.

[Lex Talionis]

157. How did you get racist out of that?

Are you asking me is she saying America is racist? I've been told all my life that it is. Been told all my life I'm the cause of it. In a symbolic sort of way. As for being discriminated against. I'm a Biker, real one not a RUB, Been pulled over in some of the most enlightened places because of the way I look. Searched, questioned, and run out of town, plus several beat downs cause "I didn't know my place". Was I discriminated against? I believe what she said is being blown out of proportion and is a last ditch effort. Yes, the Coast Guard is one of our least appreciated branches of service. Use to fight them Navy boys out of Millington, so I'm not braggin on them. :) Peace to you gaspee.

[bvar22]

127. The last time I was PROUD of America (Americans)?

Ummmm....that would be when our amateur Olympic Hockey Team won the Gold Medal at the Olys.
And that False Pride only lasted for about a day before the reality of our murderous foreign policy of consistently supporting Right Wing Dictators over democratic governments in South/Central America trumped the momentary superficial "victory" of sport team.

How long ago was that?

[bvar22]

135. The last time I was PROUD of America (Americans)?

Ummmm....that would be when our amateur Olympic Hockey Team won the Gold Medal at the Olys.
And that False Pride only lasted for about a day before the reality of our murderous foreign policy of consistently supporting Right Wing Dictators over democratic governments in South/Central America trumped the momentary superficial "victory" of sport team.

How long ago was that?

[HeraldSquare212]

138. Who's the "them" you're referring to?

[bidenista]

141. bomo

[Carrieyazel]

150. Michelle Obama--- a smug, self-serving political spouse. That'll be the headline.

[RememberWellstone]

154. WTF?

Oh my....it is about them and not about us, huh? 1 more reason to vote for Hill.

[madmom]

155. Wasn't she even a little proud when our country finally took it's blinders off and

let a black man/woman go to college? Wasn't she a little proud when our country took it's blinders off and let a black man/woman run for public office and win? Wasn't she a little proud when the country as a whole embraced Dr Martin Luther King and he became an inspiration to millions (of all races)Wasn't she a bit proud when Maya Angelou was made poet laureate, sure there are plenty off things that needs fixing yet but there are still plenty that I think one would be just maybe a little proud of!

[justinaforjustice]

158. I Love My Country, But I Haven't Been Proud of It for a Long, Long Time.

I am a sixty two year old white woman who deeply loves the ideals of our American Revolution and the principles of our Constitution, but I haven't been proud of my country since I was a small school child in the 1950's, reciting the "Pledge of Allegiance" and singing patriotic songs every morning at school. Then I went home and saw on television how "liberty and justice for all" was not the reality in America. When I saw black children my age being threatened by bottle-throwing mobs to keep them from going to school, when the governor of one of our states stood at the school room door to keep the children out, when young students were beaten and jailed for trying to sit at the local lunch counters. No, there was nothing to be proud of about my country then.

In the 1960's', I watched the Vietnam War on TV, saw naked children burning up with our napalm, while the names of friends from high school appeared on the nightly news, dead soldier victims of America's war on Vietnam. Nope, nothing to be proud of then. Fifty-five thousand U.S. soldiers, most kids like my friends, died, but that was a small number compared to the millions of Vietnamese who were killed and maimed by U.S. forces. Proud of my country, the country where the voices for justice, President Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and the bravest of all, Martin Luther King,Jr. were assassinated, likely with official governmental collusion? No, I couldn't be proud of my country then.

Have I been proud of my country in the last seven years when a small group of fascist neo-conservatives in collusion with five justices on the U.S. Supreme Court,stole a presidential election from a sane and reasonable man? Then, once in power, those same fascists have systematically demolished our Constitutional rights while killing and maiming millions more innocent people in Iraq. Should these things make me proud?

I deeply love the principles of the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution, indeed, I love my country, but I won't be proud of this country until we put the majestic words of those documents into practice and truly abolish the deadly racism and now fascism which has made this country a hypocrisy and not a democracy.

But today I have hope. Today when we are witnessing huge numbers of white Americans voting for a brilliant, half-white half-African presidential candidate and thereby making him the likely Democratic candidate for president this year, for the first time in my life, I am proud of my country. It is now truly acting upon its magnificent ideals, giving me hope that there will, finally, be liberty and justice for all.

[Freida5]

165. The media will give her a pass. Drudge already took it off the site. Maybe save till fall.

[Khaotic]

171. More straws

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

172. I became an adult in the 1970s

and for over 30 years I have been waiting to be proud of America. And I am a white middle class soccer mom. If I was a black woman, you bet I would have no reason to be proud of America.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

173. "Patriotism is the most foolish of passions and the passion of fools." - Schopenhauer

[rucky]

174. We say stuff like that all the time on DU

And we cheer other public figures who touch on the truth about this country, even though they know they'll catch shit for it.

What she said only an outrage to people looking for something to be outraged about.

[MS68]

175. I think she said "For the first time in my adult life, I'm REALLY

proud of my country". Sorry if somebody already stated this.

It was still a stupid thing to say, but I certainly can't say that everything I've ever said came out the right way when it mattered.

I'm not an Obama fan, I'm a Clinton gal, but we need to be fair.

One thing is for sure, the threads that somebody posted from another site where people were referring to him as B. Hussein Obama kind of support her statement - how shameful.

[robbedvoter]

179. Sorry, but that "REALLY" doesn't change things much for me. Still narcisistic.

Had she said "of my family" it would have been OK.

[MS68]

180. I agree...just making sure the quote is accurate.