thesubstanceofdreams
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:03 PM
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MN: Obama kills McPain while Hillary trails; FL: both dems trail, Obama by larger margin |
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MN: McPain 47, Clinton 42, but Obama 53, McPain 38 (Obama does 20 points better than Hillary). FL: McPain 49, Hillary 43, and McPain 53, Obama 37 (Hillary does 10 points better than Obama). Bottom line (according to this and countless other polls), Obama is doing very well in most swing states and poorly in some important ones (OH and mainly FL). Hillary is doing poorly everywhere, even in blue states (WA, OR). http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/minnesota/minnesota_2008_presidential_electionhttp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/florida/florida_2008_presidential_election
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:05 PM
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1. I believe the maps of 2000 and 2004 change with an Obama run |
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:06 PM
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2. Unless McCain picks MN Gov. Pawlenty for VP, ANY Dem will win MN |
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MN is possibly the safest blue state in the nation. Since 1960, it has only gone to the GOP once (Nixon in 1972).
You could probably run Charlie Manson here, and as long as he's got DFL behind his name, he'll win.
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:18 PM
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4. Kerry carried the state by 3 points |
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MN is far from safe blue. And if it is the safest blue state, it is all the more troubling that Hillary is trailing against McPain there.
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:24 PM
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8. People here don't like HIllary |
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She lost 2:1 in the caucuses. However, if she is the nominee, she would probably still win. The only change the GOP has in MN is if Gov Pawlenty is chosen as McCain's running mate. And even though he's on McCain's short list, it's still an outside chance.
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:22 PM
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5. I think your take is a little over-confident. |
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I think that it is more probable than not that MN will go blue regardless of who the Dem candidate is, but the notion that any candidate with a DFL endorsement will prevail probably hasn't been true for 20 years (which was the last time we elected a Democratic governor).
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:27 PM
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11. Given this years' caucus turnout, I don't think we'll have to worry |
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2004 had a big turnout, and even 2006's was good, but 2008's set records, while the GOP's numbers were not much better than average, at best. And, given the fact that the unpopular Norm Coleman is running for re-election, and most people think the country is going in the wrong direction, it's the DFL's fight to lose this year.
Republicans tend to do better here in non-presidential election years, while the Dems tend to do better in presidential election years.
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:29 PM
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12. I'll stop worrying when there's a Dem in the White House |
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and a few more SANE justices in the Supreme Court. I do agree that it looks like we're on course for a very good year, however.
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:34 PM
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13. Totally agree with you there. |
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I think we're in good shape, but it's still nine months away. The tidal wave of new activists in 2004 has really made the difference.
DFL Chair Brian Melendez (Dean) and Assoc. Chair Donna Cassutt (Kucinich) have really done an incredible job turning the party around these past four years. 2006 was really good, and hopefully 2008 will be even better. :thumbsup:
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:07 PM
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3. This is such Fun...It's just reality TV....get real....I love these games, so much damn FUN! |
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Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 04:13 PM by GreenTea
It's just sooooo groovy to be on the winning side, no matter who or what the candidate lies or hides or says they stay for!
It's better to be on the winning team to show your friends you know what your talking about and to be associated with the winner....even if it looks like McCain is going to win....then you simply switch.....Just like I switched to the NY Giants!!!
Lighten-up, It's only about having FUN! (And pretending you know what your talking about).
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:22 PM
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6. Wisconsin McCain beats HRC by 7, Obama beats McCain by 10 |
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But Hillary vows to stay in until the convention. Uh huh.
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:24 PM
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7. Let's get real, neither candidate is going to win Florida.... |
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Both have an uphill battle to win a state that has trended more and more red over the last 12 years. We'll have to make up the difference in other states, and most importantly, win Ohio!!!!!
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:25 PM
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9. recommended and can y'all help out over here at this thread? |
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Please help this thread - needs to be recommended and seen by many The real reason for the fake plagiarism attacks:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4647399thanks!
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Mon Feb-18-08 04:26 PM
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10. If Hillary is losing MN, she's unelectable. |
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