Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

BARACK OBAMA destroying the democratic party

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Caro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:16 PM
Original message
BARACK OBAMA destroying the democratic party
Why does he keep lying about Clinton's positions? How does that promote unity?
NAFTA: Us, Hillary and the "Boon" (Spin Cycle, New York Newsday)
The Democratic campaign has moved in earnest to Ohio, where times are tough and NAFTA has become a dirty word. In an effort to score points, Barack Obama has been dropping a mail-piece … that repeats a charge he has made several other times during the campaign -- that "Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was 'a boon' to the economy."… As it turns out, the primary source is us… Because it's raised questions -- with Clinton criticizing Obama for making "false claims" in the mail piece -- we've looked into the chart. In it, we did not have the Clinton campaign using the word "boon" in describing NAFTA… Obama's use of the citation in this way does strike us as misleading. The quote marks make it look as if Hillary said "boon," not us. It's an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try to win an office.

Click through to see a graphic of the mailing. Remember, Carl Bernstein, who wrote a book about Hillary Clinton, has said she opposed NAFTA in the 90s, but of course she couldn’t go public about that. Even now, it has to be a tricky topic for her, but as she and Bill Clinton both have said, there was supposed to be a safety net for displaced workers to go along with NAFTA, but somehow the Republicans in control of Congress wouldn’t let that part go through.
Obama: "I Believe In Free Trade" (by LindaSFNM, posting at MyDD)
Senator Obama: "I believe in the Free Market. I believe in Capitalism. I believe in Free Trade. I am not worried about us being able to compete anywhere on earth with American workers"-Obama. Too bad, at least Hillary does.

Click through for a link to the video.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:17 PM
Response to Original message
1. I think you need a hug.
:hug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. I second that. Group hug!
:grouphug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. I think that in the next two weeks we are going to see a lot of Clinton
folks going through withdrawal - going to need a lot of hugs
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Except that's not why we're doing it.
We're doing it to watch people's heads explode.

:patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. And unity. Unified Head Explosions.
:yourock:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Woo-hoo!
Hug explosion..How's this..I think the OP needs more than A hug.....:hug: :grouphug: :hug: :loveya: :loveya:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. its going to get messy in here
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. OMFG -- that's why I like you
:spray:

:patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:21 PM
Response to Original message
2. This is nothing the Democratic Party hasn't seen before.
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 04:21 PM by Fredda Weinberg
And good to see you're still here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:21 PM
Response to Original message
3. Repost
You just posted this a half hour ago.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:31 PM
Response to Original message
4. Barack Obama IS the Democratic Party
Since when did nitpicking substitute for economic debate? And, how does Hillary rise to the level of becoming our savior? She's just another tin-horned politician, and NOT a great leader!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. amen
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. both obama and clinton are a part of the democratic party
neither is a savior.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Caro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. Obama OWNS the party?
Lock, stock, and barrel?

And if we don't like it we should move to Canada?

You sound just like a Bushbot. If you think Obama isn't just another politician, you haven't been paying attention.

We Illinois progressives sent Obama to the U.S. Senate, where he promptly joined the Joe Lieberman wing of the Democratic Party.
http://progressivepunch.yvod.com/members.jsp?member=HI1&search=selectScore&chamber=Senate&zip=&x=43&y=9

He’s not a progressive.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=11936

But he’s a master at pretending to be one.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=463&Itemid=34

"Obama is a company man.”
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=251&Itemid=34

“Barack Obama Inc.: The birth of a Washington machine”
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275

Friend of Exelon
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/03/america/03exelon.php

His economic advisers are very conservative, from the University of Chicago-Milton Friedman school of economics.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/fraser

My favorite economist, Paul Krugman, caught Obama using right-wing talking points on what to do about Social Security
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/opinion/16krugman.html

and about his health care plan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/opinion/30krugman.html

His voting record is pro-business.
http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2007/street0207.html

His voting record is pro-war.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=12687

He glorifies American imperialism.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=13396

He flip-flopped on the Palestinians and Israel, and now is AIPAC-approved.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/01/obamas-israel-shuffle.html

He has shown repeatedly what good friends he is with anti-gay African American preachers.
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/11/obamas-anti-gay.html

He misuses history, according to a prominent historian.
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/46866.html

He, uh, stretches the truth.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=463&Itemid=34

Example:

Trying to sound authentically African-American during a speech memorializing the forty-second anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights March at the Pettis Bridge in Selma, Obama claimed that his black (Kenyan) father and white (Kansan) mother married and conceived the future Barockstar because of the great Civil Rights struggles fought in Selma and Birmingham, Alabama… (Obama 2007).

Wow. Too bad Barack Obama Jr. was born in 1961, two years before the famous campaign to desegregate Birmingham, three years before the Civil Rights Act, and four years before the famous Selma march!

More on his “gaffes”.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/sweet_column_item_obamas_gaffe.html

His chief political adviser is a Daley machine strategist.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/magazine/01axelrod.t.html

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #19
33. no just represents it best --therefore most supported.
very glad he came along..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:32 PM
Response to Original message
5. Oh no ! He's drawing distinctions ! Discussing issues ! Damn him ! Why
isn't he going negative? !
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #5
36. He should be talking about the number of debates and who is copying who
You know, the serious stuff.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:47 PM
Response to Original message
7. "---- is detroying the Democratic Party" posts = automatic ignore
I don't care who you're trashing
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:00 PM
Response to Original message
10. *sigh*
Wake me up when November is here. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:12 PM
Response to Original message
12. You need a time out.
I can't believe how this primary race has changed so many (formerly) rational posters into irrational contortionists.

I think I'm still on your email list and have been since 2001. I am ashamed to see you posting tripe like "Barack Obama is destroying the democratic party." And I am angry, as a Democrat, that you would paint yourself into the same corner as those back in 2004 who insisted Wesley Clark was a "Republican."

Unreal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Caro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. I was paraphrasing ...
... another post.

Turnabout is fair play.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Fair or not, you lost credibility, apparently
Was it worth it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir2 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:16 PM
Response to Original message
13. "I believe in free trade" I bet he wishes he hadn't said that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:29 PM
Response to Original message
17. No he's not.
Look I voted for Hillary, but I am so against these kinds of titles for a thread. WTF?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
22. Obama is saving the party from sure disaster. He's building it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. "He's building it"
And that will be his legacy even if he is not the nominee.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:36 PM
Response to Original message
24. Have a great day.
:grouphug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
25. He's destroying the DLC. Good riddance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Caro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. He's DLC approved.
Honestly, how people can make their decision on a candidate based on such little knowledge is beyond me.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=463&Itemid=34

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. He went to some length to keep himself separate from the DLC.
He even made them remove his name from their website.

Maybe you're not smart enough to be voting this time around.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:40 PM
Response to Original message
26. he's building his own party....The Republicrats
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 02:41 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:44 PM
Response to Original message
28. Complete distortion! The Peru agreement is not the Clintons' NAFTA
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 02:46 PM by ProSense
Here is information about the Peru bill.

Obama never said he was against trade. NAFTA was a horrible bill, which Bill Clinton signed into law and Hillary has defended.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:48 PM
Response to Original message
29. No, you caro, are trying to destroy the fucking
Planet. Keep it up..your whinging is fucking entertaining.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Caro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. I'm trying to destroy your illusions.
It's illusions that gave us George Bush.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Bullshit!! you and your "make them accountable"
are a freaking joke. You get on here and whine about Obama who is a class act and and you don't make hilary "accountable" for shit. She's been conniving from day one, including sending our Soldiers to IRaq to die and be maimed 'cause she wants to be the bloody president. No thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:07 PM
Response to Original message
32. Barrack Obama: Destroyer of Worlds.
after todays victories this is gonna get nastier...
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:12 PM
Response to Original message
35. neither of them are ruining anything- please stop this crap
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:17 PM
Response to Original message
37. Democratic Party, spell it right.
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:28 PM
Response to Original message
39. ... LAST WEEK, we were told HRC wasn't involved in Bill's biz ...
... now her camp is saying she knew enough to oppose NAFTA?

Flip. Meet Flop. (on this and many other issues) :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Caro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #39
40. Barack Obama loves free trade.
There's video.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/17/171927/342

Flipped and flopped.

So NOW what's your reason for hating Hillary Clinton?

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:17 PM
Response to Original message
41. Iraq, Iran, bankruptcy...she's on the wrong side of key issues. Bye-bye, Clinton. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Caro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Obama's voting record ...
... is almost the same as Clinton's.

NOW what's your reason for hating Hillary Clinton.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 10:39 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC