If Hillary loses OH and/or TX , is it over?

[kentuck]

Are we getting very close to the end game? I do sense some desperation in the Clinton camp. Especialy with Bill getting in a yelling match with an Obama supporter or somewone that disagreed with him and with Hillary's charges claiming Obama plagiarized MLK and JFK and Thomas Jefferson, via Deval Patrick.

But we are only a couple of weeks from some very important primaries. If Obama wins Ohio and Texas, will Hillary continue to the convention in Denver or will she generously give the nomination to Obama? She has said she will fight all the way to the Convention. However, there comes a time when reality overwhelms all our dreams and ambitions.

Politics can bring out the best and the worst in people. I suppose we will see both in the next couple of weeks? Wisconsin is important tomorrow, if for no other reason than to stop the momentum of the Obama campaign. He has won eight races in a row. If he wins 9, then 10, then 11...it could be a very big uphill climb for Hillary and her supporters.

[babylonsister]

1. One can only hope; that's what Carville said. nt

[blocker]

5. She'll spin it to her favor, don't worry.

Don't ever count her as the loser!

[donheld]

18. Hey Blocker Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Eurobabe]

2. Let them keep making ASSES of themselves

Sooner that we might be rid of them. I never hated the Clintons as much as I do now. They disgust me.

Just read for the Love of Politics. Sheesh.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. OH and Tex.

She needs both, and with big margins.

[Occam Bandage]

4. Will she withdraw? I don't think so, but I think if she loses Texas or Ohio I don't see

how she can hope to win the nomination.

[grantcart]

12. She may be more realistic than her husband and her supporters

As stupid as their campaign is it seems to me that she has shown restraint where Bill has not. She may realize that her future as a great Senator is a better legacy than that of the person who humiliated herself trying to stop the first African American President.

[shadowknows69]

17. Us here in NY would like nothing more for her to continue to be a great Senator.

There is no shame in that. Nothing to lose, the Presidency to gain, but not this time perhaps.

[kentuck]

19. Perhaps she can be the first woman Majority Leader of the Senate?

That would be quite historic.

[shadowknows69]

21. I'd have no problem with that

In fact I think Hillary being the strong presence she is could potentially do a lot more good in that position. As a President she is instantly the nemesis of republicans in congress. As Senate leader she could set the agenda and do the most for our democratic President.

[Capn Sunshine]

24. That would be great

I think she'd be just the ticket , better at it than Harry Reid for sure.

[kentuck]

28. No doubt about that...

We definitely need a change in the leadership.

[lapfog_1]

41. However, the Senate hands out thing based on seniority

as well as other factors... Hillary is still too junior, as is Obama, for any increased role in the Senate.

I'd like to see DiFi retire.

And I would support 100% Barbara Boxer for Senate Majority leader.

[yourguide]

22. speak for yourself...

she hasnt done much for NY. schumer has run circles around her.

[shadowknows69]

27. I tend to agree with you

I'm kind of hoping that when her quest for the Oval office is done she might get to work. She's what we've got right now. Of course I wouldn't mind RFK JR. giving her a primary run.

[lapfog_1]

14. Her money has been drying up

if she doesn't win both Ohio and Texas, I suspect that the spigot gets turned off completely. Flying around, paying for staff, advertising and security and so on, all costs money. I don't know if she will try to self finance for the rest of the campaign. It's tough to do, even for the very wealthy.

If she loses both, it will be gut check time.

If she loses one but not both... coin flip.

Wins both... we will have a floor fight at the convention.

[book_worm]

6. Not technically, but if she loses, say, TX and wins OH only narrowly

I think a lot of Dems in the party will put pressure on her to withdraw especially if Obama continues to win more states.

[Thrill]

7. No because Hillary is going to take this to the convention

No way in hell are you going to get rid of them that easy. They are going to fracture the party

[tekisui]

8. From Mark Penn's mouth-- She has to pull within 25 delegates of Obama

on March 4th, or she is not viable. She is behind 50-100, now, depending on whose count you use. 94 delegates will be awarded tomorrow, with Obama expecting to take a majority.

She is going to have to win BOTH OH and TX, at a substantial majority, 56-58% to get within the 25.

The end is nigh.

[rinsd]

9. I don't see her continuing should she lose either state.

[theHandpuppet]

46. Agreed.

Although I'm an HRC supporter I'm also a realist. And if HRC would lose either TX or OH I believe she will withdraw.

[K Gardner]

10. I truly think it is over NOW. And I think they know it. And that's why we're seeing the last gasps

of a dying campaign. Agonal respirations.

[Yurem2008]

16. iT IS OVER

When she loses TX and OH she will be forced to withdraw. The messengers will be Gore, Edwards, Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer and Maxine Waters

[Capn Sunshine]

30. see comment # 20

couldn't agree more. I think those on board this messenger thing are Harold Ickes, DiFi and Chuck Schumer.

[K Gardner]

35. Very interesting visuals there, Yurem and Capn Sunshine. Wow.

[NJSecularist]

11. If Hillary wins one state and then comes close in another

She will move on to Pennsylvania despite the fact that she has very little chance to win the nomination.. It will take a party uprising to get her to withdrawal.

But if Obama wins Texas and Ohio, the writing on the wall will be too much for her to ignore.

[mathewsleep]

13. yes, it is over. she'll drag it out, but it would be done.

[onehandle]

15. Neither of them will get enough delegates to win.

Unless the superdelegates do the job for one of them.

[Capn Sunshine]

20. NEWS FLASH

it IS over

People didn't notice Hllary's rats leaving the sinking ship?

[apocalypsehow]

23. If Hillary loses OH and/or TX, those states will move into the "irrelevant" column, and not count.

:sarcasm:

[NC_Nurse]

25. I hope so but I still want Obama to come to NC before our primary in May.

I want a rally 'n stuff! :bounce:

[kentuck]

26. Ok..I'll plant another ear worm..

:-)

This is the end.
My only Friend, the End.

[shadowknows69]

29. An ear worm from The Doors is always welcome.

[IndianaGreen]

31. No, it won't be over.

The Clintons will firebomb Dresden if that will win them the nomination, they are a two-fer.

[BringBigDogBack]

32. Yes/

[thevoiceofreason]

33. Yes.

The writing is on the wall -- but only if we continue to outwork her!

[Tatiana]

34. Hillary will soldier on, even if she loses OH and/or TX.

And I'm 99% sure she will lose TX.

Let her. I happen to think it would do a world of good for our party.

[grantcart]

36. yes

[JVS]

37. Money is a factor too

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

38. Effectively over, yes

She can campaign on, but it will just be a Huckabee campaign. She will have no real chance of winning if OH goes for Obama (which it probably won't).

[loveangelc]

39. Yes. I just heard commentators say on Tim Russert's show

(not that meet the press but another one) that if she loses ohio or texas they can't see a credible argument for her candidacy continuing.

[blogslut]

40. God, I hope so

I am so tired of this. I try not to disparage her personally but dammit! Her refusal to accept that voters want Obama is pissing me off.

[Crunchy Frog]

42. Yes. n/t

[saltpoint]

43. Yes.

Just as possibly she could win both, but to your question -- yes. If she loses both Texas and Ohio, it's over.

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. It's already over

[Yukari Yakumo]

45. Pretty much yes.

And she has to do it by a significant margin since they'll be dividing their delegates proportionally, more or less.

[rpannier]

47. Yes.

That's too many states in a row and too delegates to pick up

[Khaotic]

48. Yep

According to James Carville ... if Hillary loses TX or OH the fat lady sings.

[goodhue]

49. yes, indeed

some might say it is over already

[Barack_America]

50. When it's over, will she recognize it?

If she doesn't win both OH and TX, it will essentially be over. Unless, of course, she wants to destroy the party fulfilling her destiny via superdelegates.

But will she recognize this and step aside? That I'm not so sure of.

[IndianaGreen]

51. She won't even recognize her IWR and Kyl-Lieberman votes were wrong!

How can you expect someone that is unwilling or incapable to admit error to come to grips with failure. Like Bush, she will blame someone else.

[Barack_America]

54. Lol. We're in agreement. I don't expect her to.

We'll all be bludgeoned to death with the "victim" meme.

That's while I'll be working my ass off in PA. I fully expect that Obama will be the indisputable nominee before PA, but that Hillary will not give up until we pound the final nail into the coffin here.

[Alexander]

52. If she loses one or both, yes. If she wins both, even narrowly...

I can see the Clinton campaign gasping and trying to stay alive until Pennsylvania, or even the convention.

[SoxFan]

53. Situation Room, post-Texas

Wolfie: "Wouldn't you agree that Hillary's ability to win nearly 40% of ambidexterous, albino woman sixty and over who live within the greater Midland/Odessa metropolitan area shows that she has turned things around and is really taking the fight to Barack Obama?"

Carville: "WHOOOOOOEEEEEEEEE YEAH"

Tobin: (says nothing, but claps and makes seal sounds)