Post 1 in last 3 days. Hillary is shameful. AND helpful

[PretzelWarrior]

I had been lulled into a bit of false sense of security around the idea that this campaign might make it all the way to the convention without camps resorting to really misleading, shallow, bullshit type stuff....but I see now that Hillary is facing an extremely uphill battle (not Huckabee uphilll....but uphill nonetheless) she is going crazy with the attacks. Plagiarism? really? That might work when a guy is lifting entire pieces of his text from another person without attribution. But in our day and age of fair use and music sampling and sound bites....I think it has been proven how disengenuous their cry of "plagiarism" really is.

On top of that, Hillary is lying about Obama's health care plan. Well, I could just as easily say 90% of Americans don't want a "Big Sister" overlord telling you that you HAVE to be covered under the plan if you don't want to. That really smacks of communism in my book.

I do think we have only seen just the beginning of the scurrilous and vicious attacks on Obama and his wife from the Clintons which is sad and ironic since they are engaging in the same kind of lies they hated to deal with when Republicans were running the smear machine against them. However, I also think they've understood they cannot go all the way down the the very recess of human base thinking and behavior. I believe their cesspool of attacks has a bottom. And they're just not very good at their attacks coming off smoothly. So, they are more like a workaday sparring partner for Obama to build up his resistance to petty attacks so he can fight his way in the big fight against McCain and the slie machine the GOP is so cunningly able to bring against our Democratic candidates.

So....a pox on Clinton camp who is going really ugly in the final weeks of the campaign and also THANK YOU to them for helping define which candidate wants to talk issues and which one really has no new ideas and must resort to old school negativity.

[Nitrogenica]

1. It was the Swiftboat DU-ers for Truth on here this morning.

[Tatiana]

2. This is already backfiring. Texas polling shows Obama gaining.

Plus the superdelegates are either switching to Obama or moving from Hillary's camp to undecided.

I hope the Clintons, Wolfson, Penn and others keep up the good work.

[PretzelWarrior]

18. it's funny seeing the "legend of Clinton campaigning" being undone

they were supposedly going to outflank people at every turn. Looks like not so much.

[Cha]

23. There could be no reason besides

"Desperation" that would catapult hilaryland into doing this..because it hasn't worked for them yet but they keep on fuckin' IT UP.

[Tatiana]

3. dupe

[TheDonkey]

4. This is a good practice session for Obama to deal with RNC dirty tricks and Rovian games.

If anything Hillary's meltdown is giving Obama a good time to deal with these sort of BS attacks he'll be dealing with in the GE.

I just find it sad that Hillary would seriously want to take down the Democratic party with her if she cannot win.

[SoFlaJet]

6. At this point TD

I don't doubt they would...and I would have fought anybody that ever would have suggested such a thing 6 months ago. I made a thread this morning asking if anybody thought they'd pull a "Lieberman" and run as a 3rd party I-Dem if they lose...I'm really starting to wonder about these people

[sniffa]

29. Agreed

So far, he's doing incredible with the rapid response, and twisting the argument on its head, and making the initiators look like total assholes. This is a new campaign, and it's refreshing to see unfold. :bounce:

[Beausoir]

5. Good lord. Do you really believe Obama has been the victim of vicious attacks?

If he is the nominee you guys are going to get a huge eye opening experience.

This is patty-cake compared to what the Repubs will do to him.

[zabet]

7. Exactly. nt

[tridim]

10. We've all been through general elections.

We know what a swiftboat attack looks like. Obama is ready for anything they throw at him.

Are you saying that Hillary wouldn't be attacked by the Repukes?

[RememberWellstone]

22. Exactly

They will split the country right in two with his lack of experience, which is my main concern...he has no real track record.

[zulchzulu]

8. The "plaigiarism" meme smells it came from Carville's bowels

It's a Rovian tactic: attack the strong point of a candidate. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat...

I'm ready to make a shield with the Obama logo and take it to the streets in Denver if she dares to try to steal this away.

[Perry Logan]

9. If this flips them out, the Obamites are definitely not ready for prime time.

[tridim]

11. It "flips them out" because it wasn't expected from a Democrat

It would be par for the course coming from team McCain.

[FrenchieCat]

12. You are confused with whom is flipping out.......

look in the mirror for the definition thereof.

[bellasgrams]

15. Hillary's campaign is only coming back at BO's nasty remarks

[Perry Logan]

16. You see it. I see it. But the Obamites don't bloody see it.

[PretzelWarrior]

26. see what? explain.

[PretzelWarrior]

25. which ones are those if you don't mind

[PretzelWarrior]

13. spoken by a follower of a campaign that enjoys Bush's support

think about that.

Bush: "Speeches don't put food on your families."

Bush: "The guy's kinda dark to be a president, isn't he? We bomb brown-skinned people--not elect them."

Bush: "I kinda like that Hillary. She understands pressure".

You guys have the albatross around your neck that the preferred candidate of Bush is Hillary. Bill Clinton and Poppy Bush have spent years getting close so Bill could get the Bush Crime family cooperation on Hillary's run.

I'm not flipped out--merely pointing out how SHE IS PART OF THE PROBLEM...not a solution for it.

[Armstead]

19. It flips me out because it is so patently stupid

[JimGinPA]

14. I Know This Will Come Up In The Next Debate...

I can't wait to see him smack her down (with a velvet glove) for this kind of petty bullshit.

[PretzelWarrior]

17. I think his way of doing it before is pitch perfect

It boils down to this--he will parry every single thrust and jab....but he will do so in a way that politely addresses the issue at hand (whether bringing in race like Bill did, plagiarism, etc. etc.) and doesn't go overboard so she can't paint him as being threatening.

I'm just waiting for the debate in Austin. He will state his position on the matter unequivocally and then her lip will quiver...she'll start tearing up....maybe even outright bawling to get cheap votes.

[sniffa]

30. I want to know if Eliot Spitzer's latest plan to tax illegal drugs

will come up.... and how that will be handled.

[apocalypsehow]

20. Excellent post, and oh, so true. K & R

[elixir]

21. Don't choke on a pretzel. The plagiarism story is getting big coverage on CNN, heavily watched..

This is the kind of crap that can take a candidate down. Both candidates need to be very cautious in the home stretch.

[PretzelWarrior]

24. heavily watched? by 800K people? most of whom have voted?

if it's on 60 Minutes watched by 13 million, maybe I'll get really nervous. Until then, it is one tiny blip in a couple of news cycles. And it will make people angry that Clinton is doing this.

[protect our future]

27. Yes, it is getting coverage. That is because the Wisconsin primary is tomorrow.

The Hillary people have gone on the attack in order to win Wisconsin and the media has picked up on it.

This is a baseless attack, but if Hillary wins Wisconsin because of it -- which is the goal -- the purpose for getting it into the media one day prior to the primary will have been accomplished.

[PretzelWarrior]

28. the ratings on CNN are around debates and primary results

in the days leading up to big political events their ratings still suck. Even if she were to win Wisconsin, it won't be by more than a handful of votes and will result in an almost even split of delegates.

My belief is this will backfire on her big time. Thankfully.