I'll be the first to defend what Michele Obama said

[shadowknows69]

Fuck this bullshit litmus test of people's national pride and patriotism. I'm right with her. I've yet to feel especially proud of our country in my 39 years. Reagan, Bush, a better but far from perfect Clinton administration then 8 years of hell and embarrasment as a country on a scale we've never seen before.
Are we supposed to be proud of Vietnam? Gulf Farce I? Iran contra? Katrina? NAFTA? Voter disenfranchisement?, Monicagate?, Abu Gharib?, 9/11? And on and on. I will start having pride in my country again when we start fixing the myriad of problems we have and we have a leader that inspires us to be better Americans.

If the Hillary clan or the GOP try to use this statement it just shows how desperate they are.
Just my pair of pennies
S

[Benhurst]

1. Link?

What did she say? :shrug:

[libertee]

2. change is on its way..

[LisaL]

72. And hope dies last.

[wndycty]

3. What did she say?

:kick:

[madrchsod]

67. here ya go --read it and weep

i still have`t found a video of the speech but found two news reports from milwaukee...i read where she said something to the effect that she was`t proud of america because of her experiences as a black woman in america.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4646957&mesg_id=4646957
Democratic Underground - Michelle Obama makes a boo-boo - Democratic Underground

some people got it and some did`t have a clue...

[jasmine621]

84. And stop trying to blame this on the HRC campaign. The media made an issue

out of it. Not the HRC campaign. But no doubt, they will get the blame for it as you have started with your "if.." statement. I fully expect to see headlines tomorrow that the "Hillary cmapaign slimes Michelle Obama" theredy turning even more blacks against the Clintons.

[still_one]

4. Its a non-issue. The Iraq War, the Economy, Healthcare, Jobs, Social Security,

Medicare

These are the issues that will affect people

The only thing more important than the issues I just mentioned is what is happening to Britney, Lindsey or Paris, other than that, well you have my point

[MonkeyFunk]

5. Agree with her or not

it's a politically unwise thing to say, and it's going to hurt her and her husband.

[AntiFascist]

19. My advice to the Obamas: don't back down!

Point out all the changes in government which would make us so much more proud.

[MonkeyFunk]

51. As a Clinton supporter

I agree with your advice.

I'd like see him give a national speech on why his wife's never been proud of the United States.

I hope all the networks cover it.

[AntiFascist]

66. hahaha, I just posted how Hillary supporters like to spin things...

now it's "his wife has never been proud of the United States."

[MonkeyFunk]

69. And what's the quote?

“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”


That's spin?

[AntiFascist]

70. but she never said never n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

93. OK

Then I look forward to him giving a speech on his wife hasn't been proud of the United States since she became an adult 26 years ago

[AntiFascist]

96. See post #58

"For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country."

'Really' could mean 'extraordinarilly'. It doesn't rule out that she may have also been proud of her country in the past.

Get real.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

73. she'd have to eat babies before I would extend the Bush Clinton Bush Clinton dynasty

28 years is too many.

Clinton on the ticket means a GOP congress.
Nothing gets done.
Scandals day in day out.

[nookiemonster]

82. Yup.

For the right wingers to get galvanized, just mention the word "CLINTON". It's messed up, but it is what it is.

In another political climate, I would easily give Hillary my nomination. I really respect her and think she could make a great president.

Just not now.

I really want us, DU and all Democrats, to win this thing in November.

:)

[MonkeyFunk]

87. LOL

and you think they'll go easy on Obama.

You're so cute.

[nookiemonster]

89. Damn, you're hateful.

I don't expect them to go easy on either of our candidates.

As far as being cute, I AM THE CUTEST!! Gotta brain too. Scary stuff.

[MonkeyFunk]

94. Hateful? Me?

Nah, I like Obama just fine. I just think many of his supporters here are very naive.

[Avalux]

6. I agree. I'm 42 and as an adult, have had Bush/Clinton/Bush.

There's been a lot of divisiveness which has only served to hurt our country. I finally feel proud too. We have the opportunity to move this country forward and heal the divisiveness. I only hope (there's that word) those of us who want something more can win over the bastards who would keep us down.

[Rageneau]

24. Bush/Clinton/Bush is like Hell/Heaven/Hell. I'll happily go back to heaven, but not to hell.

Comparing the Clinton years to the Bush years is like saying both sides were wrong in the Civil War.

[Avalux]

31. Clinton years weren't all rosy. Imagine what could have been done.

So much of that time was wasted battling with a Republican Congress, and then the entire country was consumed with Monicagate. I don't care to revisit it again.

[napi21]

92. Hope is wonderful and all, but what in the world makes you think ANY Dem

can fix the divisivness? Co-operation needs BOTH sides to WANT to stop hating! WANT being the operative word!!!

Look at the House & ther Senate since the 06 elections. We have ALL been PO'd at the Demsw for "trying to co-operate TOO much", but what have you seen from the other side? Have you seen ANYTHING that even remotely looks like trying to work together? I sure haven't.

I'm much older than you, and I remember the days when there was at least some comraderie "after hours" in the Senate. Now I think the Pubs, at least most of them, don't even speak to any Dems on or off the floor.

We NEED a Dem in the WH in 08, but if any of you really believe whoever wins will be able to get the two Parties to work together for the good of their Country, you're kidding yourself!

[WinkyDink]

7. Proud of the unknown future? Wow.

[shadowknows69]

13. I know what's gone in the past

and not much there to be proud of. Hope is all I and many Americans have left.

[joeybee12]

8. Well, she better say she misspoke, because you damn well know

people will jump on it...especially the MSM. When your husband is running for president, it ain't the smart thing to say.

[GoldieAZ49]

78. read it in it's entirety - no misspoken words

"For the first time in my adult life, I'm VERY proud of my country"


As well she, and all of us, should be VERY proud of her country at this time, we have come a long way to have these candidates running for POTUS.

[Tarc]

9. Missing the point completely, I'm afraid

This is the kind of amateur hour stunt that just provides fodder for the far right to use in the general election. I don't want to re-live the 2004 saga of defending Kerry's blunder after blunder after blunder.

[Windy]

36. And I don't want to relive the clinton years. This is just bullcrap. Issues, fine. Not this petty

BS.

I'm done with this country if this filthy game that HRC is playing works.

[joeybee12]

48. Um, blame it on Hilary when the Politico picks it up,,,why is it so hard

for you Obama-ites to admit this was a mistake instead of trying to blame someone else? It was a dumb thing to say when your hsuband is running for President, and if the Obama campaign doesn't deal with it now, all this shit will snowball later.

[Moochy]

52. simple

its a non-issue that seeks to replace yesterday's non-issue.

The Stench Of Desperate Shills Shilling Furiously.

[joeybee12]

54. Lord, you are pathetic...all people are pointing out is that the MSM

is picking up on this.,..it would be a non-issue if Michelle just said she misspoke...saying it's a non-issue doesn't make it a non-issue...this was a really dumb thing to say when your husband is running for Prez.

[Moochy]

56. what was that I was trying to decode some hate speech from another thread

sorry trying to keep track of the fake outrages is tough!

[Sapphocrat]

85. "All this shit will snowball later."

Bookmark your posts, joey, because when the, er, big-ass shitball finally hits the fan, no one's going to believe you when you say "I told you so."

I keep saying the same things, but I guess those who aren't flaming me for being a "concern troll" simply have me on ignore.

[AntiFascist]

42. These are the kinds of stunts Republicans, Clintons, and the MSM pull...

time after time after time. Swiftboating, the Dean scream, making mountains out of mole hills in everything Obama does, twisting and turning it every which way. People are really sick of this and there WILL be blowback.

Oh, and there was the time Kerry's joke was misinterpreted and the MSM never let this go. Dobb's program is now having a panel discussion on Michelle Obama's comment - this is unbelievable! Lou Dobbs has clearly moved over to the darkside.

[elixir]

10. You can say what you want, this has become an issue. Life in the fishbowl.

[H2O Man]

11. Anytime I read

something like the reports that you are commenting on, I like to see them put into context. I agree with you -- and hence nominate this OP -- and I also look forward to Michelle Obama speaking out on what she meant.

[AntiFascist]

12. Exactly! Are we supposed to feel particularly proud of the response to Katrina?

Hell no! We need more people speaking truth to power.

[OzarkDem]

17. There's a big difference between the leaders of this country

and its citizens. Its citizens responded with caring and compassion for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. I refuse to condemn them for that. I refuse to accept Obama's wife's claim that all Americans are not praiseworthy.

[AntiFascist]

30. Um, I'm very sure that's not what she meant...

she was speaking from the point of view of the leadership - as in the leadership's response to Katrina. The fact that someone like her husband has been given an excellent chance at the nomination should make many people more proud of the leadership.

[OzarkDem]

50. But its what she said

we can't divine what her real intention was.

[AntiFascist]

64. It can certainly be spun though, and Hillary supporters know how to do that n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

80. read it in it's entirety

"For the first time in my adult life, I'm VERY proud of my country"


As well she, and all of us, should be VERY proud of her country at this time, we have come a long way to have these candidates running for POTUS.

[OzarkDem]

14. Sorry, Shadow

I can honestly say I've felt proud of my country many times in my lifetime. I've always been proud of my country, though I may not always be proud of its leaders or the things they've done in my name, I've always been proud of my fellow Americans in general.

Heavens, at least 7 generations of my family have fought and died in wars defending this country. We've spilled a lot of blood for it.

I could never make a statement like Obama's wife made.

[shadowknows69]

18. I concede that. I'm very proud of many Americans I know

Many of which inhabit this board. I find it hard to have national pride with the dirty laundry this country has. Time to wash.
S

[OzarkDem]

46. Agree

Things have been ugly the last several years. I'd love to help do a few good loads of laundry to help clean it up.

[durrrty libby]

15. She is uncouth and divisive. A nasty combo indeed

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. As a kid, I loved this country. If she can't look at ANYTHING positive this country has done for her

then she needs psychiatric help. That's just a PATHETIC thing to say...especially when her husband is running for the POTUS. Just sickening.

[cottonseed]

21. You loved this country as a kid? but not now? Traitor!

Weren't you peddling some real garbage earlier this morning?

[in_cog_ni_to]

57. Garbage to YOU maybe, but NOT to DRUDGE and the repukes. Go ahead

and let THEM break the story for you guys. Fools.

I'm proud of my country, but I HATE the government and those in power. There are MANY things to be ashamed of that this country has done in the past and currently is doing........

I would NEVER say what Michelle said if MY husband was running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES though!:rofl: DUMB! DUMB! DUMB! DUMB!

[cottonseed]

60. Drudge and the repukes will go after any Dem candidate.

So, I don't know what you're trying to accomplish. Unless you're slinging mud at both Dem candidates in equal amounts, I don't see where taking Obama down is going to give you any less to be ashamed of.

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. I heard it on C-SPAN for the first time this morning and thought it was MORE THAN NEWS WORTHY.

He's going to take the Democratic Party DOWN with him..... Should he be the candidate because they are SURELY saving that tidbit of news for the GE. Go ahead and pretend the issue isn't out there floating around....you Obama followers ignore it at your own peril and will take the entire party down with you.

Just wait. You have NO CLUE what the repukes have planned for Obama. NO CLUE whatsoever. You NEED to address it NOW before it's too late.

[AntiFascist]

71. With a 30% approval rating for the president...

and much less for the VP and Congress, I doubt the mass public will take much notice of this. Not a particularly proud time for the nation. We'll see if they can make any headway with this story.

[sniffa]

83. GAY SEX - LIMO - CRACK COCAINE

[ruggerson]

91. had a fun weekend eh?

[Alhena]

20. She hurt the campaign today- period. A political campaign is not the place

to be pushing the envelope or making statements like that.

[goldcanyonaz]

26. It's a sound bite that will be repeated over and over and over again.

[shadowknows69]

29. No, Gods forbid we should excercise free speech in a political campaign.

[enid602]

22. unwise

It wasn't a wise thing to say. I rather wish she'd phrased it that 'she'd never been so proud of her country as at this moment.' Almost the same thing, but it would have sounded so much better.

[Maribelle]

32. So proud of her country at this moment why? I don't get it.

What is "her country" doing right now that is makeing her feel pride on a level she has never felt before?

[shadowknows69]

35. They're possibly about to elect the first black President

[Maribelle]

39. So, she is so proud of her country because her husband is running?

That's kind of selfish of her.

[enid602]

40. because

Well, as I recall, she said she wasn't proud of her country until her husband ran for President. Even if she's been totally ashamed of her country, she could have sweetened it up just a bit by saying that she'd never been so proud of her country as when her husband ran for president. It would be a white lie, but much more politically palatable.

[Moochy]

23. Well said

Nationalism is a poison, it addles the brain, as these toby keith wannabees here who are trumping up this bullshit issue are (barely living) proof.

[AtomicKitten]

25. It was nothing and the phony web ClintonCo is trying to weave around it is too funny!

[MonkeyFunk]

33. LOL

Sometimes a flub gets news coverage by virtue of the magnitude of its flubbiness. It doesn't require the Clinton campaign to push it.

[Maribelle]

38. It's all Clinton's fault again?

Sheesh, you're going to make the poor wingnuts wish they had thought of that.

[Moochy]

43. Not Ha Ha Funny

More like the sad "oh shit there are alot of fucking hypocritical, bigoted trolls who shoot from the hip in their defense of Hillary." Their trolling colors the perception despite it being an unfair observation.

See the latest controversy: Michele Obama Hates AMeRica

[Maribelle]

44. The fucking hypocritical bigoted trolls are merely discussing what was on CNN, potty mouth.

Have you ever tried Scope? How about just plain soap?

[AtomicKitten]

45. ClintonCo Faux Outrage de Jour Take 546: Michelle Obama Hates America.

Thanks for keeping me updated!

[Moochy]

47. And to the ignored poster who wants to wash my mouth out

Fuck off, you are already ignored.

Obviously not to you AK :D

[Tatiana]

27. I think response to this faux scandal will not be what many people expect.

As an African-American woman, I totally "get" what Michelle is saying and agree in terms of being "really" proud. But I thought, oh no, people are not going to interpret this in a bad way.

But one of my co-workers has read some of the "outrage" and says it's a stupid thing to attack someone on. My older sister, who supports Hillary, agrees with Michelle and is angry that this is the best the Clinton camp can come up with. And my grandmother, who is a huge Hillary fan (and already voted for her in the primary) asked me "what in the world is Hillary doing?"

The "casual voter" (as described in the NY Observer) is not going to care about this at all. The party hard-liners are going to come down on the Obama side or the Clinton side. And the undecideds, in my opinion, are going to be repulsed at the tactics the Clinton campaign is using to slow down Obama.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Clinton began losing superdelegates when she started going negative. For whatever reason, people don't like it.

[Freida5]

28. Afterall its "Just words".

[enid602]

34. moment

This might be Obama's 'vast, right-wing conspiracy' moment.

[Moh96]

37. the whole world hates us? is this something we should be proud of?

nice thread

[fedupinBushcountry]

41. I watched it on C-Span

and she was terrific. It really boggles my mind how many here on DU are sucking up to the likes of Lou Dobbs and all the other MSM pundits. How quickly they forget what the MSM role has been in what we have faced in the past 8 years.

[Quakerfriend]

53. I just caught some of Lou Dobbs and I still can't figure out

WHAT she said exactly.

Anyone have a video link?

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. Here's what she said:

"For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country."

http://mydd.com/story/2008/2/18/191651/214

[AntiFascist]

74. FYI, the word "really" can be interpreted 2 ways...

as in "extraordinarilly" versus "actually". If she needs to clarify anything it could to say that she meant to say: at this time in her life she feels extraordinarilly proud to be an American.

[fedupinBushcountry]

68. It just started on C-Span

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp?">link

[Bluerthanblue]

49. your pair of pennies are worth quite a bit- Shad

I'm glad to share your perspective and to rec. your bold, honest statement.


Yes we can

peace~
blu

[goldcanyonaz]

55. "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. "

[bigtree]

59. sure, because we all define our country by those scandals . . . don't we?

There's plenty to take pride with in America. You just have to look to our people for examples. Look at our struggles, our triumphs, our perseverance, our compassion, our determination . . . I won't allow myself or my country to be defined by the actions of a minority of idiots in the White House.

[Fed_Up_Grammy]

61. Having a bad day?

[TheDonkey]

62. Gay Americans out there... how PROUD are you of America?

I know I have never been really all that proud of this country in my adult life. Sorry I have a flag in my home but it remains that I'ma second class citizen.

[Yael]

63. I stand with her on this as well

:patriot:

[Hoof Hearted]

75. Fuck this bullshit litmus test of people's national pride and patriotism.

Yeah, that'll make a really persuasive campaign platform.

I hope she gives a speech on that very topic tomorrow. Early, so everyone in Wisconsin can hear it.

[shadowknows69]

76. What does Michele Obama's views on anything have to do with Barack

Or how he'll do as President? They aren't running on the two-for-one ticket.

[Imagevision]

86. Michele Obama's views on anything have to do with Barack?- plain & simple, she's his rock, she's

much of the reason why we get from Barack what we wish to be. A bona fide leader. Barack is great as a leader, his family is his advantage also.

[NashVegas]

77. Litmus Tests for Patriotism & Pride Are The Norm in Presidential Campaigns

Deal with it.

[shadowknows69]

79. That's all well and good for the candidate

What does his wife's views have to do with it?

[NashVegas]

81. Um .... She's Representing Him, Isn't She?

Unless you're going to tell me that Michelle Obama is doing what she's doing for her own 15 minutes?

[RememberWellstone]

88. Asinine statement

Proves to me they think this election is about them and not the people...they will not serve you if you vote for them. They are there for themselves.

[catagory5]

90. rezko

http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/

[Fox Mulder]

95. I have no pride in my country either.

Mainly for the reasons you have stated above.