does anyone remember when plagiarism cost joe bide his bid for the white house in the 80s?

[flordehinojos]

why should obama get a pass on it now? at least joe biden had the decency to admit he had plagiarized.

obama, like everything else he does, has found a thousand and one excused to say he hasn't from saying that his friend deval patrick and he borrow lines from each other all the time ... to quoting words from the constitution, martin luther king and others and then just adding the "just words" excuse to them ...

never underestimate the power of a two year old... and never understimate the refusal of a man living in a 12 year old's mind to accept responsibility for his actions.

edited to correct the date of biden't plagiarism from the 70s to the 80s as pointed out to me by other respondents to this post.

[maddiejoan]

1. Backpedaling from an early age

[billbuckhead]

2. The bar keeps getting lowered and lowered for Obama

[Botany]

3. It is illegal to own a hedgehog

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. Um, it happened in the 80s. 1988. nt

[flordehinojos]

13. thanks, i stand corrected on the date ...

[SoFlaJet]

5. I have to agree

he should just quit the race RIGHT NOW-he clearly isn't ready to lead on day one-he isn't fired up enough either-he hasn't been vetted either-what am I forgetting?

[FrenchieCat]

6. because it is nothing but a bunch of bullshit, that's why......

and if you can't see that, then you are fucking blind.

Please watch this video, and tell me why this is not YOUR issue?: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x94954

[Alexander]

7. No. Because it happened in the 80s.

Also, Biden didn't credit Kinnock and didn't get permission.

Obama has done both with Deval Patrick, who has also used Obama's words. For that matter, so has Hillary.

And the Kinnock incident, although foolish on Biden's part, was way overblown by John Sasso of the Dukakis campaign, a dirty trickster of the lowest order. Dukakis fired him over this incident. Guess who Sasso endorsed?

Hillary Clinton.

[dsc]

12. actually Biden did usually credit Kinnock

on one occassion he didn't. Biden's downfall was that he had also plaguerized in college but he did credit Kinnock most of the time.

[SoxFan]

28. And the college charge was debunked

Biden went so far as to request a conduct committee investigation by the Delaware Supreme Court. The investigation found that while Biden was kind of a lazy, half-assed 1-L who fudged Blue Book cites, he was not guilty of "plagiarism" or any unethical conduct.

The story that the media chose to ignore was how the Dukakis campaign and its friends at the NY Times and Boston Globe managed to get their hands on confidential academic records. A Dukakis supporter at Syracuse University was leaking private files to the campaign, but that was quickly swept under the rug.

Biden got a raw deal, and it cost the country dearly. He would have beaten Poppy.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Ride that pony of faux outrage as far as you think it will get you!

[apocalypsehow]

9. It was 1988, and he lifted passages from Neil Kinnock WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE OR PERMISSION

The two matters are not even remotely comparable.

[flordehinojos]

17. really?

a definition of plagiarism reads that the stealing of both thought and language without permission from someone and using it as your own is plagiarism. biden did that.

and, yes, i stand corrected on the date of when his plagiarism occurred.

and as for obama he has stolen thoughts and words it seems from deval patrick and others.

[earthlover]

19. "and as for obama he has stolen thoughts and words it seems from deval patrick and others".

Hmmm....is it "stealing" when the person you got something from says it is ok?

Scenario.....John goes over to Bill's house to borrow a ladder. Bill says, fine, use it as long as you want. On the way home, the police bust John and say he stole the ladder because it was not his. Is that stealing?


Come on! This is so typical of the Hillary Herd. For one, they trample on anything in their path. For two, they are mindless lemmings who will follow the leader into the sea no matter what.

Think, lemmings, think!

[apocalypsehow]

22. The Clinton worshipers are just getting panicky as they see those new poll numbers from Texas roll

in - and panicky people are quick to grasp at straws, make Mount Everest's out of gopher mounds, and get very ugly very quickly over the smallest of things. This is the case here.

[Avalux]

10. Your post is repugnant. Do you understand the meaning of plagiarism?

Look it up. Think before you post crap like this.

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[emilyg]

25. I didn't see your indignation when

Obama supporters call Sen. Clinton "your girl".

[earthlover]

29. Two points: 1) hillary herself said "I'm your girl"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD1EkCKP164

2) anyone knows calling an african american "boy" is racist pond skum

[QC]

30. Sexism is OK now. It's part of our new way of hope and change. n/t

[earthlover]

24. listen to the dictionary, instead of invent your own definition....

plagiarism...."the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work". (dictionary.com)

Well, hello! Obama's quote was authorized by the source! As in the person he was quoting.

This is really an issue. It is not an issue of plagiarism. It is an issue of how stupid the Hillary Campaign thinks we are that we don't know the difference between what they say is plagiarism and what plagiarism really is. Orwell would be proud of hillary.

[Franks Wild Years]

11. Using the rhetoric of a friend....

...doth not represent plagiarism, particularly when you've made light-hearted remarks about taking said lines from a friend, as Obama has in the past.

Still, carry on with the nitpicking. It's what we expect from people who are so hilariously myopic that they cannot see the insincerity present in Hillary Clinton, who will never bring her to task on her '35 years of experience', 'I'm tested and I'm ready' lies.

[earthlover]

26. 35 years of experience doing WHAT?

Interesting article about the experience lie....from Slate...

http://www.slate.com/id/2182073/

[GumboYaYa]

14. Hahahahahahahahaha.....this is the best Hillary has....

What a bunch of sad sacks...Her campaign is over...They can't find anything that will work.

[QC]

16. Why do you hate hope?

I bet you hate puppies and kittens, too. And ponies!

[Kahuna]

18. Neener neener neener..

:bounce:

[ecstatic]

20. Thank goodness many Obama supporters are well educated

and understand the concept and consequences of true "plagiarism."

[nebenaube]

21. this is so pathetic...

I CAN'T SUPPORT HILLARY BECAUSE SHE TELEGRAPHS HER DESPERATION AND THAT IS A WEAKNESS OUR ENEMIES WILL CAPITALIZE ON!

[Hill_YesWeWill]

27. no I don't remember that, I was a just a kid, also

didn't Patrick give Obama's people his notes and he knew Obama was borrowing his rhetoric, aren't they friends?

[flordehinojos]

31. isn't deval patrick covering obama's *ss after the fact?

speechwriters know better.

this whole thing proves that obama is not the sainted knight the mystics in the press and others make him out to be.

[Vinca]

32. Why should Hillary get a pass?

"As president I know I can't kill, jail or occupy every nation we don't agree with and I cannot just wish that all the terrorists be wiped off the face of the Earth." - Hillary Clinton, 2/10/2007 in New Hampshire

That sure sounds familiar....

"If you got an interdependent world, and you cannot kill, jail or occupy all your adversaries, sooner or later you have to make a deal." - Bill Clinton, 4/16/2005 to a Jewish group

[Medusa]

33. How about the book she passed off as her own which she did NOT

write?

[CreekDog]

34. actually it wasn't plagiarism in Biden's case either

Biden had been crediting Kinnock with the lines he had been using and had the unfortunate luck of forgetting to while on video one time.

I think it was bogus charge anyway. Speeches are in the public domain and it would be a tiresome bore if nobody could use another's lines without providing all the references and footnotes.

[oasis]

35. Obama now floats on "borrowed" hot air. Shocking.

:wow:

[ISUGRADIA]

36. Hillary should drop out for It Takes a Village

Talk about using someone else's words without credit...

[kentuck]

37. Charges of plagiarism are one of the hardest character attacks to deflect...

Once it has taken root, every word is checked to see if it is plagiarized from someone else. It is the ultimate Karl Rove political trick.

[themaguffin]

38. Yes we do. Now do you have any relevance. I didn't think so.

[BenDavid]

39. Here again is an opportunity for the whore media to look into

whether B. Hussein Obama has a history of plagiarizing.Remember, Joe Biden was accused of plagiarizing passages in speeches and interviews from the oratory of a British politician, Neil Kinnock. As it turned out Biden had also borrowed passages from old campaign speeches by Robert Kennedy and had inflated his academic record.

Oratory has a long tradition of borrowing and even "heavy lifting," as speechwriters call it, so Biden stayed alive in the presidential race. The last straw, however, came when it turned out that twenty years earlier Biden had received a failing grade in a law school course for plagiarizing a legal article (he'd given a single footnote while lifting five full pages from the article). Biden said he'd been unaware of the appropriate standards for legal briefs, but the public was unimpressed. His campaign collapsed and he withdrew from the race. Maybe the investigative arm of the whoremedia should take a look see if there is something in Obama's past like Biden's?

[GarbagemanLB]

40. He will drop out once Hillary drops out for her plagiarizing. Watch this short video for evidence.

http://www.oliverwillis.com/archives/2008/02/18/clintons-plagiarism-charge-fal/