Obama copied Patrick's entire campaign, not just a speech

[jackson_dem]

Patrick 06': "Politics of hope", "movement for change", "together we can", "uncommon leader" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x95061

Patrick 06': "hope and change", ending "politics as usual" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x94969

The signatures of the Obama campaign all come from Deval Patrick's 2006 gubernatorial campaign. Take away all of this and what do you have left with from Obama?

Since Obama is running on the same lofty rhetoric and pie in the sky promises of Patrick it is fair to compare Patrick's performance after running the same campaign with his performance. What has the "politics of hope" changed in Massachussetts? What did this "movement for change" do? "Together we can". Do what? Has "politics as usual" magically ended? Is this "uncommon" leader's record been uncommon or average?

If the msm were serious about journalism they would have long noticed and reported Obama's campaign is really Patrick 2.0. Even now they are focusing on the "just words" plagiarism but ignoring the very foundations of Obama's campaign are ripped off from Patrick.

[Renew Deal]

1. Unlike Hillary, Obama has a winning strategy.

:bounce:

[jackson_dem]

5. Yes, it worked for Patrick. Did it work for Massachusetts?

[ClericJohnPreston]

55. The reason Obama and Deval use the same words and ideas

is because both Deval and Obama share something...David Axelrod, the "Consultant"/Strategist for both campaigns.

Axelrod is the author, NOT Obama. Obama is nothing more than a speech reader.

[jackson_dem]

60. Axelrod=Obama's Rove?

:scared:

[mculator]

75. correction-- HAD a winning stragegy. The blunder is apparent. He just lost

[boston bean]

2. This is why MA did not go O's way! We heard it all before. nt

[Cameron27]

3. K&R

[jenmito]

4. He also copied Bill Clinton's whole campaign-the one Bill Clinton ridicules now. What a hypocrite

Bill is.

[jackson_dem]

6. What did he copy?

He certainly didn't copy Bill Clinton's wonkishness.

[jenmito]

14. Bill Clinton was "from a place called Hope." He said experience doesn't matter if it's the wrong

kind of experience, and on and on...

[jackson_dem]

21. Yes, that is the town Bill was from. And?

Clinton had six terms as governor. That is real experience. It wasn't as much as Bush 41 but it was certainly enough to make him up to the job.

[jenmito]

27. If you don't get it, you're hopeless. And Obama had 20 years of public service.

[jackson_dem]

So what? Many people do. Does that qualify them to be president?

Does flipping burgers at McDonald's qualify you to be manager? Obamites confuse experience, which every person on the planet has, with experience that prepares you for the toughest and most important job in the world. Do you think McDonald's would take any random person as manager?

[jenmito]

39. Same question should be asked the same thing when she claims to have 35 years of service.

Duh.

[jackson_dem]

58. That is why you don't ever see me use the 35 years spiel

She doesn't have 35 years of relevant experience. She does have enough, though.

[XemaSab]

8. Exactly

"I come from a place called Hope" indeed.

Maybe you need to go BACK there for some much needed rest, Bill. x(

[jenmito]

19. Thank you...

He SHOULD go back there.

[Nedsdag]

7. Your point?

Clinton saw himself as the new JFK back in 1992.

So what?

:shrug:

[angie_love]

No you can't compare them. They are 2 different people.

Who cares anyway? I mean really. Is this all there is to focus on? I live in Boston and I view Patrick way differently than Obama. I don't care much for Patrick.

[jackson_dem]

24. Two people, one campaign

[angie_love]

31. oh fucking please. it all looks so desperate to me and is making Hillarys camp look really bad.

I thought I could hold my nose and vote for her but then she pulls a Karl Rove and makes me rethink my position. If shes willing to throw a fellow democrat under the bus to further her own needs, then what else is she willing to do? Shes lost of my trust. This coming from a person raised in NY who voted for Hillary 2x for senate. She was a role model to me and shes flushed it down the drain. What shes doing to her party is pathetic, and shes forced to go negative b/c shes run such a shit campaign.

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

9. And Hillary copied Walter Mondale's entire campaign

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. No.

No no no.

Uh uh.

Mmm no.

Ouch.

[Alexander]

23. If the post you're responding to is wrong, feel free to refute it.

Many aspects of Team Hillary's campaign directly echo Walter Mondale's 1984 bid against Gary Hart.

Let me know how President Mondale did.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

30. Rephrase for less subtlety: "Oh, no you didn't!"

[jackson_dem]

32. I love how Hart is now a hero here. He ran to the right of Mondale

[Alexander]

17. All except that part about winning the nomination.

[jackson_dem]

35. You're predicting Obama, unlike Patrick, will not win the nomination?

This is a surprise coming from you.

[Bonobo]

10. I told them, dammit! Talk to a good lawyer and get that "Hope thing" trademarked!

But they wouldn't listen to me!

Damn them!!!

[redstate_democrat]

11. Wow.

You guy's are really desperate. Do you understand that Obama and Patrick are two totally different people? How is it fair to look at Patrick's failures as governor and use that to forecast Obama's ability in the WH? Well, is it okay for others to look at Bill Clinton's failures in the WH and project that on to Hillary? Like, all the scandals and lies and deaths and killings and so forth? Should I expect the same if Hillary wins?

Oh and Hillary seems to be using Bush's campaign strategy from 2004, but unfortunately that's not working out for her. I wonder why?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. rot roh oooo Biden me!

[ProSense]

15. Deval Patrick was responsible for kicking Hillary's butt in the last 8 primaries?

February 18, 2008, 1:37 pm

More on the War Over ‘Words’

By Jeff Zeleny

NILES, Ohio – Senator Barack Obama dismissed suggestions from his rivals that his words are any less authentic because he adapted a line in a speech from his friend, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, but added that he probably should have given him credit.

“I’m sure I should have,” Mr. Obama said, speaking at a news conference here today. “As I said before, I really don’t think this is too big of a deal.”

On the eve of the Wisconsin primary, a top adviser to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton accused Mr. Obama of committing “plagiarism” in a speech he delivered in Milwaukee on Saturday evening. The passage in question is Mr. Obama responding to criticism from Mrs. Clinton that his inspirational speeches are not merely “just words.”

Mr. Obama smiled when asked about the accusation, saying it was “carrying it too far.”

“Let’s see, I’ve written two books. I wrote most of my speeches,” Mr. Obama said. “I would add that I noticed Senator Clinton, on occasion, has used words of mine as well.”

Indeed, two of Mr. Obama’s standard lines – “It’s time to turn the page,” and “Fired up and ready to go,” – have made their way into Mrs. Clinton’s campaign appearances during their contentious fight for the Democratic presidential nomination. In recent days, echoes of his “Yes we can,” chant has surfaced in Mrs. Clinton’s speeches as “Yes we will.”

The Clinton campaign called a conference call with reporters on Monday to highlight their charges. At the same hour, Mr. Obama was talking about the economy as he toured a titanium plant in Ohio.

That setting, he said, placed the brouhaha into its proper context.

“I don’t think that’s really the kind of stuff that the workers here are concerned about,” Mr. Obama said. “What they’re concerned about is whose actually going to make sure that we have jobs here in the United States that pay a decent wage.”

Hillary's campaign is desperate!


(Obama in Youngstown from AP.)

[maddiejoan]

16. ding ding ding

it's not a plagiarized speech --it's a repackaging of goods.

[jackson_dem]

25. When are we going to stop falling for the same old lofty promises and expecting a different result?

;)

[protect our future]

33. When are we going to quit parroting the Hillary playbook?

[jackson_dem]

59. That is from the Obama playbook. You missed the irony

[smalll]

18. Did Obama really copy it himself? Isn't this just David Svengali Axelrod...

working the same insta-messiah campaign over again?

[smalll]

20. (duplicate) /nt

[moc]

22. Deval Patrick must be so pissed.

:eyes:

[gravity]

26. And the attacks are becoming even more pathetic

Geez, no politician had a 100% origianal campaign, ever

[jackson_dem]

37. Yes, but Obama's campaign is 0% original

[Mojambo]

28. Next thing you guys will be trying to tell us he's actually Patrick's clone

Or... is Deval Patrick Obama's clone!?

2008 Democratic Primaries: The Clone Wars!

[jmg257]

29. Hey if Hillary can equate Bill's experience as hers, Obama can get campaign ideas from a winner. nt

[jackson_dem]

38. Bill is to Hillary what Deval is to Barack? That analogy doesn't work

[The_Casual_Observer]

34. So even the "politics of hope" thing is a rip-off. Without that, what's

that guy got working for him? Handing out bottles of water?

[jackson_dem]

61. Exactly. Without the Patrick template he would have been out after New Hampshire

[MadBadger]

36. Have you Ever seen his Goddamn 2004 Convention Speech?

Obviously not.

[jackson_dem]

63. Who here hasn't?

[Barack_America]

40. With this, my friend, you have jumped the shark.

I perceived you to be a more thoughtful poster. I guess I was wrong.

[MadBadger]

42. The 2004 Speech completely debunks this utter BS

If anything, Deval Patrick ran on Obama's campaign.

[jackson_dem]

62. How so?

Take all of the above away and what is there to distinguish Obama from Hillary, Edwards, Biden, Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich, and Gravel?

[YellowDawgDemocrat]

41. Beyond stupid

The Clinton campaign is going to have this backfire on them in a big way. Just when you think they've started getting their house in order, they pull this out of their ass. And that's where it's going to end up, too.

[Danieljay]

44. Howard Wolfson keeps this shit up I'm not voting for her even IF she wins the nomination as I promis

ed before.

This is beyond pathetic. Shame on her.

[totodeinhere]

43. I just saw KO say on MSNBC that...

Patrick and Obama used each other's wordings all the time and both men discussed this whole subject in a Boston newspaper in April of 2006. Patrick and Obama have been soul mates who shared words for a long time. And in December of 2007 Obama in New Hampshire talked about how Obama and Patrick shared the same words and ideas. Plagiarism my ass.

[blitzen]

45. hardly a "rip-off"--they have the same campaign manager, silly!

[poomie123]

46. I wouldn't buy a used car from him.

He's disingenuous.

[MadBadger]

48. I see you and I will already be off on the wrong foot

Welcome to DU.

[TheDonkey]

47. Obama also has a time machine and copied Patrick before his 04 speech at the DNC! OMG!!1!

Obama's got atiem machine!@@!

[MadBadger]

49. I know. I've been sayin that but nobody wants to listen

In that speech he preached the politics of hope. I mean the man has been talking about hope for the past 13 years.

[jackson_dem]

64. What about all the rest? We know Obama used hope then

[Garbo 2004]

68. Obama's 2004 Senate campaign predated Patrick's 2006 campaign.

Patrick also hired Axelrod who had previously worked on Obama's 2004 Senate run. If you want to assert one of them ran a "derivative" campaign in term of approach, themes and slogans, then that would be Patrick who "borrowed" from Obama's Senate campaign.

[carlotta]

50. ...and Deval Patrick has turned out to be a letdown

People flocked to his candidacy in the same way they're going to Obama. When the rubber met the road, however, Patrick didn't live up to his rhetoric.

"Despite overwhelming support from Bay State voters, Gov. Deval Patrick failed to deliver on promises of property tax relief and a flood of new street cops in 2007 as he battled through early political missteps and frayed relations with lawmakers in his own party.


“He came into office thinking he had a mandate from the public but what he didn’t realize was that he wasn’t the only one who got elected in November of 2006,” said House Speaker Sal DiMasi. “I think we now have a better understanding of where each of us is coming from, and I’m looking forward to the next year.”

House Minority Leader Brad Jones was more pointed in his criticism: “The year in review was lackluster, nondescript and left a lot of unanswered questions,” said Jones (R-North Reading).

[The Ghost]

53. Ugh

Do you live here? No? Then dont think youre an expert on how our governor is doing based on quotes you found online.

[Recursion]

77. Er... Patrick took his '06 gubernatorial campaign from Obama's '04 senate campaign

And for that matter they both have collaborated with each other on their campaigns.

I'm really, really missing how any of this is a bad thing.

[The Ghost]

51. I was a Deval supporter...

and one of his earliest supporters, when he was way down in the polls against Tom Reilly (the HRC equivalent, a dem who thinks he was owed the job, and now that he didnt get it after his years as the AG, hes disappeared completely), and I knew there was something about him that was special and that he would eventually come out on top, and despite the governorship being GOP for years here, he defied all odds and swept the state. when Obama came around I thought 'if only he would go on the same message', and i was so happy he has, cause its true and it resonates. before you start attacking based on shit you look up online and all of a sudden are such an expert on, maybe you should ask someone who saw how that powerful message worked, and is now working on a federal level as well. you belittle the great message for political gain. its not about him 'stealing' or whatever shit you can conjure up, its about the greater good of the message, and i applaud Obama for it, and so does Deval.

[OHdem10]

52. Sunday Am MTP--Roundtable with pundits on Deval Patrick

It was pointed out that Patrick had run on the theme of Inspiration
and hope. However, he has not been able to govern with the same
degree of competence.

Hillary won Massachusetts because the people had been burned by hope
and were not ready to jump on another Hope bandwagon.

[jackson_dem]

65. Yup

[McCamy Taylor]

54. No one has patented the "Campaign of Hope" See Jimmy Carter's 1976 campaign and speeches.

And I am sure that there were people before Carter that ran on hope, too, in America and other countries. Hope is hope.

[Garbo 2004]

56. You left out the part where Patrick based his '06 campaign themes on Obama's '04 Senate run.

From the Boston Globe, April 2007:

The similarities between Patrick and Obama, who have known each other for more than a decade, are obvious: Both are idealistic African-American leaders who came of age after the Civil Rights movement. Both have Chicago roots, a Harvard Law degree, and a gift for appealing to both blacks and whites.

Their political likeness runs deeper. Both believe that people long for a new dawn of postpartisan, hopeful, and optimistic public leadership. Both staked their fates on grass-roots activism and fund-raising. Both campaign on supplanting cynicism with citizenship.

It was Obama who first tested the approach during his Senate victory in Illinois in 2004. Patrick improved on it last year. Now Obama is building on both of those successes as he makes his historic run for the White House.

More and how Axlerod who was on Obama's 2004 campaign went to work for Patrick in 2006 at http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope?mode=PF

[jackson_dem]

66. Patrick is now governor. Let's measure his rhetoric with his performance

There is no better existing preview of a President Obama than Patrick. Obama has just given speeches. Patrick is running a state. How is his lofty rhetoric comparing to his performance?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. kick

[thevoiceofreason]

67. Jackson - you remain lame

Hide thread

[jackson_dem]

71. Your post was very lame, thoughtless and horrible compared the the thought-provoking one below it

:rofl:

[DemGa]

69. Take away the soaring copied rhetoric and what is left?

I doubt anyone on the board knows that answer. If he will copy an entire campaign and attempt to pass it off as his own, what else would he do?

That's why Obama sounds so much different in his speeches than debates. He's an actor -- he co-opted a role.

It would be funny if not so inherently dangerous for this country.

[DesEtoiles]

83. A decent man with some integrity, unlike someone else, who is positively Rovian in her behavior.

[gulliver]

70. Campaign cloning.

Obama and Patrick appear to be sharing the same political identity. But the Obama people "protest too much." I'm pretty sure they didn't know Obama and Patrick were so very alike, right down to the words and names of their "movement(s)." Some Obama people are angry at others, IMO, not because they don't find Obama/Patrick's campaign cloning a bit creepy, but because they do find it creepy and can't stand that it is true about Obama.

If people accept what Obama, Patrick, and Axelrod have done here, then what is to keep some campaign manager from doing the same thing not two, but ten times? Why not have ten "good friends," ten political clones all sharing the same image and campaign. And all of them would act like they aren't clones, but unique, fresh individuals.

What if Patrick had won over his wife by reading her poems and whispering sweet nothings? Then Patrick told Obama the poems and nothings and Obama used them to win over his wife. Doesn't seem romantic to me. Seems creepy. And so does this political cloning.

[jackson_dem]

72. It goes to the heart of the Obama candidacy and it terrifies them

He is supposed to be a messiah, a new politician who will do things no one has been able to do in modern times, and in some cases ever in American history. Now we have evidence that he, ignoring the meaningless quibbling over who is copying who, is basically an Axlerod creation. There is no "movement for change." There is no "politics of change". "Hope and change" and "together we can". Just words. Just words used every two or four years when an election is rolling around in order to get people to "believe" enough in you to vote. What is apparent is the messiah has no clothes.

[jillan]

73. Rachel Maddow did an excellent job of explaining why this is such a big issue today on

Dan Abrams.

She was saying that it isn't so much the plagerism, it's just that his whole campaign has been built around these words that were not even his.

It was kinda of interesting, because Abrams usually defends Hillary and Maddow defends Obama.
On this story, they were reversed. Rachel Maddow articulated what I have been feeling, better than I ever could.

Hopefully the clip will be on YouTube.

[jackson_dem]

74. Yup. It shows his whole campaign has been about Axlerod marketing, not any real ideas

[Azathoth]

76. So calling for an end to "politics as usual" is now plagarism?

Wow. Time to lock up every politician who ever ran a campaign anywhere. They all apparently stole from Deval Patrick. :crazy:

[monomach]

78. Here in Illinois

He was saying the same stuff when he ran for the Senate.

Shouldn't talk about things you're clueless about.

[pointsoflight]

79. Patrick got his 2006 campaign from Obama's 2004 campaign.

How about finding out the facts, huh?

[jackson_dem]

80. So you agree all of it is nothing more than election year Axlerod marketing?

There is no "politics of hope", "movement for change", "hope and change", or "post-partisanhip". They are Axleroad slogans used for electoral purposes for all of his clients. In other words, the very things that make Obama "new" and "different" are fake. That is the odd argument Obamites have been making. It is okay because both used Axlerod's gimmickry but they don't think about what that says about the candidates who used them!

[pointsoflight]

81. Ugh, no, it's about two long-time friends who have similar perspectives.

Gimmickry?

How about the possibility that Patrick and Obama became good friends to begin with because they share values and perspectives? How about the possibility that they both selected Axelrod because they resonate with his approach? Nah, couldn't be that. Nevermind that both Patrick and Obama had similar themes in their work before ever hiring Axelrod for a campaign. But of course you leave out that fact, because it doesn't fit with what you're trying to sell here.

[casus belli]

82. Because Hope, Change, and Unite are uncommon themes in politics.

Puhlease.

This has all been done before by candidates from every political party and polarity. What is different, is that people actually believe it when Obama says it. That's something you can't create in a lab or divorce with dirty campaign tactics.