On Al Gore's "non support" of HRC

[CatWoman]

Do you think it goes back to Election 2000?

I've heard stories that the Clinton's pretty much booby trapped him.

Any truth to that?

P.S. - I got the non support angle just now from Jonathan Alter on Olbermann.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. I don't know any details, but I've heard bad blood rumors too.

Al Gore sure kicked Lieberman in the face in 2004.

[gateley]

3. Ditto -- I wasn't paying too much attention back then, but I've heard many

references to something along those lines.

[Captain Hilts]

4. Remember, Al called Bubba on Sept. 11th and drove from Buffalo to Bubba's in NY...

where he spent the night before flying with Bubba to DC for the Sept. 11th memorial service at National Cathedral.

They're both grown-ups.

[goldcanyonaz]

10. How refreshing, thanks for posting this.

[CatWoman]

11. yeah

I remember that!!

:hi:

[Captain Hilts]

17. Bubba served him dins at 3am or something like that. nt

[Captain Hilts]

2. No, I heard he's the one that decided to distance himself from Bubba.

He believed all the RNC 'clinton fatigue' stuff even though surveys at the time - I was in polling - showed Bubba beating either Gore or Bush in 2000 if he had been allowed to run.

[NastyRiffraff]

5. He's not supporting EITHER candidate

For his own reasons, among which he'll likely be an "honest broker" at the convention, should the need arise.

As for Jonathan Alter, his opinion is worth exactly as much as anyone's in the country. It's an Guess...er...OPINION.

[CatWoman]

8. you have no idea how much I love that pic

if I keep saying that, please exuse me :)

[NastyRiffraff]

18. Thanks! I love it too

It's an Annie Leibovitz photo.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. Gore did not want the Clinton's to campaign for him for fear of Monica backlash.

Was a big mistake according to analysis that was done. Bill left office with a very high approval rating.

[sueragingroz]

7. he distanced himself from the Clintons - that is what hurt him in that election /nt

[xchrom]

9. tee-hee -- you said booby!

[babylonsister]

12. Here's a good Vanity Fair article on the feud:

White House Civil War

Promised real power as Bill Clinton's vice president, Al Gore found he had a rival for that role: the First Lady. And when Hillary decided to run for the Senate, a tense competition got ugly. In an excerpt from her new book about the Clinton White House years, the author reveals how conflicting agendas—the triangle of a scandal-ridden lame-duck president, the wife he'd betrayed, and his designated successor—sapped Gore's 2000 campaign as the bond between two couples dissolved into distrust, anger, and resentment.
by Sally Bedell Smith November 2007

Excerpted from For Love of Politics—Bill and Hillary Clinton: The White House Years, by Sally Bedell Smith, to be published this month by Random House, Inc.; © 2007 by the author.

During the 1992 campaign, Bill and Hillary Clinton took several successful bus trips with vice-presidential candidate Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, where they bonded to such an extent that Tipper called Hillary her "long-lost sister." "If there is a subject under the sun that we haven't discussed, I don't know what it might be," said Al. So it seemed fitting that the four of them again boarded a bus three days before Bill Clinton's inauguration, this time for a 120-mile ride from Charlottesville, Virginia, to Washington, re-enacting the trip that Thomas Jefferson had made in 1801.

After conducting an interview with Bill and Hillary, NBC Nightly News anchor Tom Brokaw lingered while the two couples sat around a table in the kitchenette in the front of the bus. "It struck me like a college-dorm bull session rather than an incoming administration," Brokaw recalled. "Hillary was not leading, but she was like a junior partner. It was Gore to Bill Clinton, and Hillary was gracefully part of the conversation."

Eight days later, Bill appointed Hillary head of the health-care task force, which was charged with developing a plan to re-structure the health-insurance system. The move took nearly all his top officials by surprise, including Al Gore. Bill had invested Gore with considerable responsibility, but his failure to confide in his vice president was a telling sign of the real pecking order.

more...

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711

[CatWoman]

13. Babylon Sister to the rescue!!!!

thanks, Doll

:hi:

[GoldieAZ49]

21. Hillary pitched a fit when Gore got the VP office

she ended up having to get another office in the West Wing (Carl Bernstein'sA Woman in Charge book)

Gore always was second after Hillary in much the same way LBJ was second to Bobby

[BeyondGeography]

16. So many bad endings with those Clintons

When will Democrats ever learn?

[Tatiana]

14. Hell yeah.

But I think it might go back even further, to the second administration.

Al is still a bit salty, I think with Bill more so than Hillary.

[alteredstate]

15. Here's a really good read that might explain it:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711

[madrchsod]

19. here`s two more

"It was a flippant response -- and the final straw for Gore, who had long been wary of Penn and concerned that his real loyalty was to Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. His senior advisers agreed, regarding Penn as arrogant and controlling, someone who pushed the boundaries of his job by dispensing strategic advice rather than simply interpreting data. Shortly after the meeting with Gore, Penn was fired. One of the party's most prominent pollsters sat out the presidential campaign, but he signed up that year with a familiar face making her inaugural run for office in Penn's native New York -- Hillary Clinton."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/29/AR2007042901661.html
Clinton's PowerPointer - washingtonpost.com


Mr. Penn branded Mr. Gore's campaign one of "lost opportunity," saying Mr. Gore reverted to an old-style populism that alienated independent suburban white men. He did well among upper-income women, Mr. Penn said, largely because he supported abortion rights. But, he said, Mr. Gore "abandoned the fight for smaller government," losing "new economy" men who favored "smaller government, fiscal discipline and personal responsibility."


http://www.jedreport.com/2008/02/mark-penn-on-wh.html
The Jed Report: Mark Penn on why Al Gore "lost"

gore won....

[grantcart]

20. I think it is because he loves this country