When did Hillary and Bill turn so Republican?

[PretzelWarrior]

He and she sided with Republicans to end welfare and cause the lowering of standards of living for many single moms who were trying to raise kids.


He and she sided with corporations in getting NAFTA passed and signed into law so that jobs could be exported to Mexico.

He and she sided with corporations in granting permanent most favored nation status to China--a notorious human rights abuser and a country with no viable political opposition.

She and he supported the war in Iraq. They thought Saddam should be taken out even though he had nothing to do with Al Queda or 9/11.

When were they ever idealistic and working for the people? NEver.

The only reason New Yorkers liked her was the money she was bringing to their state in pork barrel spending. That is it.

[sniffa]

1. When the focus groups adjourned

[keep_it_real]

2. Wasn't Hillary a Republican turned Democrat?

[billbuckhead]

3. Yeah back in the 60's when the Republican's were the good guys on race

and passed the Civils Rights laws. Remember history?

[PretzelWarrior]

4. you're an idiot. WHO helped pass civil rights? WHO?!!

now it's the Republicans only. She was from a middle class family who enjoyed the fruits of big business.

[mtnsnake]

8. Do you ever listen to yourself?

[PretzelWarrior]

12. yes. do you ever stare at yourself?

[eShirl]

15. you mean during the Kennedy administration?

[rhett o rick]

23. Where do you get your history? John Kennedy was big on Civil Rights but was killed before he got

anywhere. The Johnson rammed the legislation because he had the goods on a number of republicans.

[LordJFT]

29. oh right yeah Goldwater supported civil rights and Kennedy and Johnson opposed it :sarcasm:

[stillrockin]

19. Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl".

[CorpGovActivist]

40. .

[OHdem10]

5. Bill is a Conservative Democrat but he leans more liberal

than a lot of Obama Supporters. In her heart Hillary is more
Liberal; she has a common sense head.

[RC]

26. No, Hillary is farther to the right than Bill is.

Bill Clinton is a southern Democrat, i.e., a moderate Republican. Hillary was a Goldwater girl who turned Democrat after she met Bill.

[LordJFT]

32. not true, he supported telecomm, DOMA, NAFTA which most Obama supporters don't

[tularetom]

6. Did you ever REALLY like Clinton or was it an "enemy of my enemy" thing?

It's hard for me to remember my mindset of ten years ago but I can remember a lot of crap that he did. And I remember not being very happy with it. In fact I remember almost sitting out the 96 election i was so disgusted with his spinelessness. I began taking his side in arguments after the Lewinsky thing when all the right wing asswipes were jumping in the middle of his shit and I was so pissed off over the impeachment bullshit that I became a vocal defender of Clinton at family gatherings. Looking back, however, I really wasn't that impressed by him, I just liked him because I hated the douchebags that were attacking him.

On the other hand my 401k went apeshit in the years between 1993 and 2000 and that's why I was able to retire. I believe the 1993 Clinton tax "adjustments" were responsible for that to a great degree.

[durrrty libby]

7. Get off the Hopium. It turns people into idiots. Just say NO

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Bill Started "Extraordinary Rendition" - Outsourced Torture

I guess that's what one can expect from a governor who proudly flew home, while campaigning for president, to preside at the execution of a retarded man,

[JVS]

10. What did you think 3rd way meant?

[PretzelWarrior]

11. clearly it was "Dem enacting GOP agenda"

definitely not a NORMAL way....but I guess it got him 2 terms and all friendly-like with the Bush's.

[TexasObserver]

13. Bill started it as a way of getting reelected and staving off removal from office.

Hillary carried it much further, after going to the senate and working hard to prove to the DLC and the corporatist that she's their girl.

They both went nuts the past 5 years with blind ambition and greed of gigantic proportions. They became George and Barbara Bush, with a few better domestic positions.

[madrchsod]

14. neoliberals with a neocon chaser

[Emit]

20. *ding ding ding*

we have a winner!

[mtnsnake]

16. You don't know squat about why New Yorkers like her

Don't give me that nonsense that they were never working for the people. Hillary is popular in NY because she HAS worked for the people and their wishes.

I'm curious how your such a fucking expert about what us NY'ers think about her, when here you are from Oregon spewing your misinformation about how NY'ers feel when you really don't know jack shit.

[PretzelWarrior]

17. because I can read and also have friends in NYC

they let me know what's really going on.

[grantcart]

18. when they started making $ 100,000 a speech

[stillcool]

21. I have not viewed them in this light....

before, but that's not surprising. I didn't hook up with the internets until 2000, and at that time I was still a news junkie, so I had not yet come across some of the disturbing policies of the Clinton administration... but even when I did I never really held him responsible. I chalked it up to a lack of political power to get things accomplished that he wanted to, almost like he was held hostage. There sure was a hate/hate thing going on with the Republican majority. Maybe it was the wrong time and the wrong place in history, where the Republican party had amassed so much power that made him so ineffective, and forced the party to move to the right.

http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/

The right wing current of the Democratic party, characterized by its neoliberal economic policies, support of Israel, desire to increase defense spending, and links to heavy donors and fundraisers.

Believes that "left-wing" positions are not politically viable. Describes itself as "moderate and pro-growth". Probably responsible for erosion of the Democratic Party's historical labor and minority base due to support of treaties like NAFTA, lack of support for affirmative action and poverty programs, and their siphoning away of campaign funds from minority groups.

At the national level, the movement was founded by the Democratic Leadership Council (501c4 educational non-profit, founded 1984) and includes the House New Democrat Coalition (founded 1997), the Senate New Democrat Coalition (founded 2000), the New Democrat Network PAC (founded 1996), the misnamed Progressive Policy Institute (501c4 think tank, "Bill Clinton's idea mill", founded 1989), and the umbrella funding group The Third Way Foundation (501c3 non-profit, founded 1996).

Since coming to power within the Democratic Party with Bill Clinton's presidency, the New Democrats/DLC have worked towards "essentially the same purpose as the Christian Coalition... to pull a broad political party dramatically to the right" according to John Nichols of The Progressive.

DLC operatives actively worked to sabotage Howard Dean's candidacy for the US Presidency in 2004, claiming that the "far-left" Democrat was wrong to attack George W. Bush's tax cuts and national security policies.

Corporate contributors to the DLC and New Democratic Network include Bank One, Citigroup, Dow Chemical, DuPont, General Electric, Health Insurance Corporation of America, Merrill Lynch, Microsoft, Philip Morris, RJR Nabisco, Chevron, Prudential Foundation, Amoco Foundation, AT&T, Morgan Stanley, Occidental Petroleum, Raytheon, and many other Fortune 500 companies.

The New Democrat Movement is sometimes referred to as the Dixiecrat movement due to the DLC's origination in the southern states, their desire to get rid of affirmative action, and their membership's overwhelming whiteness.

"Democrats should shift the primary focus from racism, the traditional enemy without, to self-defeating patterns of behavior among blacks" --Chuck Robb, 2nd DLC Chairman, Governor & Senator of the Great State of Virginia, White Man, 1986.

"I'm from the democratic wing of the Democrat Party" --Paul Wellstone, progressive Democrat, criticizing the New Democrat Movement.

"Democrats for the Leadership Class" --Jesse Jackson

[no name no slogan]

39. "New Democrats" == Old Republicans

Nelson Rockefeller would make a perfect DLC Democrat. Pro-business, socially moderate, pro-big military, fiscally "conservative", etc.

[Imagevision]

22. With Bill Clinton hangin so long with Sr. Bush it's really no wonder...

[PretzelWarrior]

24. I just want people to know this primary is a choice between Republican_lite

and a true Democrat. That's all I want people to bear in mind. If you're all for a Democrat in name only who will continue to carry on the agenda of the Bush crime family, I won't hold it against you. That is just what you're more comfortable with.

I, on the other hand, find it appalling Clinton doesn't spend more time letting women know she will appoint judges who respect a woman's right to choose. How much more Democratic can you get than that plank of the platform?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. They Are Both Great Liberals And Democrats, And I'm Proud Of Them Both.

Calling them republicans is the mark of an ignorant fool.

[PretzelWarrior]

27. I didn't use the "nominal". I used it as an adjective descriptor

like they have traits of Republicans in their policies. I believe a number of responders felt I make a valid point.

But thanks for the thread kick anyway.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

28. I'm Aware How You Used It. Its Use Was Just Plain Dumb.

And of course you have your typical sludge of responders who felt you made a valid point. We have quite a few intellectual fools here these days. Not sure how that was supposed to bolster your argument somehow.

[PretzelWarrior]

30. just probability that a widely held view will get lots of positive response

and mine got lots of positive responses other than a couple like yours. So maybe you are experiencing frustration because your candidate of choice doesn't seem to have captured current zeitgeist.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. Actually, My Current Candidate Of Choice Is More Obama Than Hillary.

One need not support one candidate over the other, in order to respect them both and smell your bullshit for what it is. Nice try there on the whole prediction stuff there, genius. :rofl:

[PretzelWarrior]

37. your other posts would seem to belie your claims

nice and principled of you. People like you are why Obama will win.

[Armstead]

38. No, it might be the mark of someone who disagrees with you

I'm what once would have been called a moderate liberal, but who now is characterized by many conservative Democrats as a "far left loonie" even though my basic views have not changed over the years.

I had high hopes when Bill Clinton was elected that finally the country mught be steered back to the real middle. That the values of liberalism might be reasserted.

But as his administration went on I became more and more frustrated and angry that Clinton was helping to demoinize the word "liberal" and either ignoring or supporting the continuation of right-wing policies that placed markets over everything else and allowed a handful of mega corporations gain a frightening amount of monopolistic power as a result.

Bill Clinton blew it.

[ileus]

33. After the '94 elections, and they realized in 96 they were next.

[PretzelWarrior]

34. Great post. and Kicked for OBAMA

hehe. kicked my own thread.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. I think you mean Obama..."Ronals Reagan and the GOP are the party of ideas"...Barack Obama

[PretzelWarrior]

36. no. he said back then they were. and he'd be right. The Dems were

like the GOP today...too focused on maintaining the apparatus of power and getting rich off of it rather than facing America's problems.

For him to comment with something less than hate for roughly half the country is not "turning republican" the way Bill and Hillary (or Billary, if you will) did both as co-presidency or during her Senate terms.