THIS is plagarizing?

[Levgreee]

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Obama said. “‘I have a dream.’ Just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.’ Just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself.’ Just words? Just speeches?” It's true that speeches don't solve all problems....




"Is that uh... all I have to offer is words. Just words. ‘We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.’ Just words! Just words. 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Just words. Ask not what your country can do for you, not what you can do for your country. Just words! I have a dream. Just words!"


I see two original words made by Patrick here. Just, and words. The rest are not originally made Patrick.

How should Obama have worded this? Should he have said, as my friend Patrick said, that Martin Luther King said... I have a dream. Just words? As Patrick said, that Thomas Jefferson said, We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.’

Or should he have worded it differently? Instead of "copying" just words, said "These are just words? These are just words?" "these words don't matter? These words don't matter?"

Does he have to completely avoid the style, of "quote"-message-"quote"-repeat same message-"quote"-message




What I see is Obama copying the same message/idea, not the same speech. This is a blip in the speech. If you showed a minute before and after for each speaker, you would see the speeches are very different.

Listen to two minutes of Obama's speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cd-AJeJvBE only this several lines is similar in style. This sort of things likely happens ALL the time in speeches, although perhaps a bit less of a parallel in style of speech, rhetoric.

[maddiejoan]

1. It's deeper than just plaigarism

It's his campaign --Axelrod just repackaged Deval Patrick and gave us Obama.

[angie_love]

3. LMAO, boo fucking hoo. this is ridiculously stupid.

[maddiejoan]

4. sorry you are so embarrassed.

:shrug:

[angie_love]

6. I'm not embarressed I'm laughing, what about when Hillary was shown on video today copying obama's

"fired up and ready to go"? :rofl: and other lines from Edwards/Dodd/etc? Its funny actually. I can't wait for this to backfire tomorrow.

[maddiejoan]

10. I think

I first heard "Fired Up and Ready To Go" for the 1969 Mets.

[angie_love]

13. link please? lol

[rocktivity]

27. Link to Hillary AND McCain plaigiarzing Obama

You're welcome.

:headbang:
rocknation

[elixir]

9. Hey, MaddieJoan. Live stream of HRC campaign speech now over at Rodeodance thread

Great stuff.

BTW, great post.

[keep_it_real]

5. It's working though

An idea whose time has come. It's the right man with the right idea at the right time that counts. Go! Bama!

[Qutzupalotl]

7. Axelrod had suggestions about what to say when attacked.

He gave them to Obama when it seemed appropriate, and Obama listened.

[Levgreee]

8. HAH funny, they give an Obama line about "being someone with a funny name", and 2 years later,

Patrick talked about having a funny name. How is this a slam against Obama?

[baldguy]

11. In all this "plagerism" shit going back & forth

I have never seen what Deval Patrick thinks.

Considering that he endorsed Obama AFTER all this happened, he probably doesn't give it much thought at all.

[Garbo 2004]

14. Actually Axelrod "repackaged" Obama's 2004 Senate campaign for Patrick in 2006.

Axelrod worked on Obama's 2004 Senate campaign and then went to work for Patrick's 2006 campaign. And then back to Obama for his run for the Presidency.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope?mode=PF

[maddiejoan]

15. So vote for Axelrod.

My vote is for Hillary --she's her own woman.

[The Ghost]

16. Right

and Hillary is being repackaged as her husband.

'My husband was a good President, so that means I will be too, even though Im an independent woman'

SIIIIGH

[maddiejoan]

17. Her rhetoric is nothing like Bill's

maybe ya should actually listen to her.

[The Ghost]

20. Ummm, I do

Thats why Ive made a choice. Been listening to her for years, thank you.

Respect. :)

[RiverStone]

23. Gawd, and Hillary's IWR vote was deeper too....

Which mistake was worse?

Do you really want to go there?

[maddiejoan]

24. sure

Of course you'll just bring up a "fairy tale" version of Obama's record on the Iraqi Occupation.

[RiverStone]

28. The people will decide very soon who's story they prefer...

Ya know, I won't change your mind and visa versa.

March 4th will end this dance.

Thank goodness.

[TheDoorbellRang]

26. Yes, it is deeper than just plagiarism. It's hypocrisy

NBC just did a segment tonite on the (gasp) "plagiarism." They ended with a clip showing Hillary using part of Bill's speech from two years previous. I think they better start being a little more careful about where they throw the mud. Seems like most of it falls back in their face.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#23225604

[keep_it_real]

2. Can we move on already

[RememberWellstone]

12. I'm gonna faint!

But thats already been done...lemme see...5 times already? Jesus H. Christ, this guy is an actor not a Presidential candidate.

[Johnny__Motown]

18. Same attack ... Same response... from the same Media person in each campaign

Besides that the same two guys are Friends.

There was even an article in the Boston Globe last april about how these 2 guys use each others ideas on a regular basis.

This is just one more straw that the Clintons are grabbing for.

If Barack can't use "Just Words" from a friend why can Hillary use "Fired Up" from her opponent?

[bridgit]

19. As was mentioned on the Schultz Show today by a female caller, also a Phd...

'concepts' i.e. "same message/idea"; are not the least of which that are capable of being plagiarized.

[usregimechange]

21. True, he did not credit Thomas Jefferson, MLK, etc nor should he half to

[The_Casual_Observer]

22. "Hope & Change"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7IWMreH_LA&feature=related

[canadian_is_cold]

25. Old news

All of this is old news. Obama has already dealt with the similarities of his and Patrick's campaigns see this old story from April of 2007 http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope/?page=1.

Clinton seems a little desperate.