Patrick based his '06 campaign themes on Obama's '04 Senate run

[Chasing Dreams]

Ok, Ok. I borrowed this line from Garbo 2004 in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4651047#4652323

From the Boston Globe, April 2007:

The similarities between Patrick and Obama, who have known each other for more than a decade, are obvious: Both are idealistic African-American leaders who came of age after the Civil Rights movement. Both have Chicago roots, a Harvard Law degree, and a gift for appealing to both blacks and whites.

Their political likeness runs deeper. Both believe that people long for a new dawn of postpartisan, hopeful, and optimistic public leadership. Both staked their fates on grass-roots activism and fund-raising. Both campaign on supplanting cynicism with citizenship.

It was Obama who first tested the approach during his Senate victory in Illinois in 2004. Patrick improved on it last year. Now Obama is building on both of those successes as he makes his historic run for the White House.

More and how Axelrod who was on Obama's 2004 campaign went to work for Patrick in 2006 at

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope/

Please, please forgive me Garbo 2004. I didn't mean to plagarize. But can that be true when we are both quoting another source?!

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[eleny]

1. .

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[Chasing Dreams]

3. Ouch. That hurts!

:rofl:

[Johnny__Motown]

2. So he stole the line from the guy who stole it from him? OMG it sounds like O.J. (kidding)

this is just a bump

[JI7]

4. they are friends who talk often and have similar people running their campaign

the whole "controversy" is such bs.

[jackson_dem]

5. So the "politics of hope (and change)" is nothing more than an Axlerod marketing scheme?

That is the Obamite argument, that Obama is just an actor reading the Axlerod script? How is "hope and change" working for Massachusetts anyway? Has "politics as usual" been changed?

[Chasing Dreams]

6. Oh, please. Enough of this BS already

Did you even read the article? This is very old news.

Obama and Patrick are friends. Old friends. They share values, purpose...they are Democrats who want to end the divisive politics of the last 30 years. They built the fucking approach together. Well, actually Obama did more, but he is not touting that.

They share campaign staff. And speech writers. Tell me, is Hillary giving Bill credit for the lines in her speeches?

You and your ilk are really making me sick.
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Go here to see that Hillary is doing the same thing, perhaps worse. She is using her opponents lines. But as usual, she won't admit it. I'm sure you won't either.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

[jackson_dem]

8. How is Patrick's "ending divisive politics" working out for him?

What Patrick is in this context is a shining example of the hollowness of what Obama is preaching and running on.

You're comparing a husband and wife to Patrick and Obama?

We can look at Bill Clinton's record. He delivered what he ran on. Has Patrick?

[Chasing Dreams]

12. Husband and Wife?

:rofl:

Bill has had more extramarital affairs than anyone I've ever heard of.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=457708&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

And this will definitely bite Democrats in the Ass if Hillary gets the nomination.

[Tarheel_Dem]

14. still didn't address the posters questions? how Clintonian

is Hillary ripping off everybody or not? This is a can of worms you guys should never have opened. You know Barack has a lot of support out there, and they're pouring over every last speech hillary's ever given in her political career.

Nice dodge though...make the debate about Patrick. And as for Bill's record, you don't really want to go there. We've only just begun to reap the "real" benefits of the Clinton era.

:edited for typo

[jackson_dem]

18. How is Obama going to fail where Patrick's Axlerod rhetoric failed?

Or do all three know it is all election year BS and that they lack any magic powers to breakthrough gridlock? Patrick is failing in a state with a veto proof Democratic legislature! Imagine Obama dealing with Congress...

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. Nice try, but the poster's question which you seemingly want to evade is....

"Tell me, is Hillary giving Bill credit for the lines in her speeches?"

you are desparately trying to change the debate to deval patrick's popularity in Mass? But as they say "that dog won't hunt". Answer the question at hand. You guys have been breathlessly hyping this non-story all day, and now that it's come back to bite you in your collective a**es, you want to try and change the subject.

[CorpGovActivist]

7. Better than the warmed-over fearmongering the Clintons are serving up...

... they've spent too much time with the Kennebunkport Kleptocrats.

- Dave

[elixir]

10. Actually, nothing much is accomplished. He's starting to get traction 'cause he's working w/ others

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. funny isn't it? this modern day marketing...

you know like, "ready on day one" -> "solutions not speeches" -> "blah blah blah"

[jackson_dem]

20. Damn. So the "movement for change" is nothing more than a marketing scheme?

This is one of things I never liked about Obama. He is running on false pretenses and giving many well-intentioned folks false hopes that he knows he will crush.

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. glad your crystal ball is working, mine is broken (eom)

[Thrill]

9. I guess two politicians can't have the same vision for the country

Only one can believe in Hope and Change.

Sometimes, I feel like there are closed minded Republicans on this board. Its sad

[elixir]

11. two politicians with the same profile and campaign consultant - yeah, that's a coincidence.

[Garbo 2004]

13. LOL. As a serial thread killer & rarely responded to, I thought I was on universal ignore. LOL

(Although no doubt I soon will be.) ;)

So much of this argy bargy is just distraction and hypocrisy.

Remember the good old days when a major earthquake would happen and some DU'ers would insist it was a Rovian distraction and urge us all to "talk about the ISSUES?" Ah, good times, good times.

When Hillary was deriding all that "hope and change" talk it took me back, many years ago to the days of my tender and hopeful youth (cough)....

I remember when another young politician railed against the "old politics" and when challenged on his youth and inexperience, said "I represent real hope for change" and "No experience is better than the wrong kind of experience." But that was "The Man From Hope" and the year was 1992.

And I suddenly seem to be channeling Sophia from "The Golden Girls." :rofl:

:toast:

[Chasing Dreams]

19. You hit the nail right on the head with the Globe article. It needed to be put up in lights.

I share the same good memories of Bill. But now he is just shell of his former self. A washed-up QB, throwing interceptions all over the place. And the sad thing is that all he will be remembered for is the INTs, and the girlfriends.

[David Zephyr]

15. And this is the proper perspective and lens to look at this.

:kick:

[jackson_dem]

17. Yes, "hope and change/politics of hope" are nothing more than campaign gimmicks of Axlerod

There is no "there" there with them.

[FrenchieCat]

25. That's what I'm talking about!

[stillcool]

22. Thanks !!

It's almost scary how hard some people are pushing this shit. :scared:

[gulliver]

24. They both played the same campaign as their own.

It seems to me that this makes Patrick look just as bad as Obama. Show me two other politician symbiote/friends who shared exact wording and exact main campaign themes in consecutive (or concurrent) races. I'll bet no one ever had the audacity to try it before now. This Patrick/Obama/Axelrod concept is truly new--just not new in the way everyone thought it was.

[FrenchieCat]

26. Doesn't make anyone look like anything...hell, Hillary is still trying to find a message!

Plue-Aze! :eyes: