I'm seriously beginning to wonder if the Clintons will be able to handle

[Blue_Roses]

it if they are not the nominee. After trying to find out the skinny on this plagiarism thing, I'm still left wondering...:wtf: is the big deal? What have I missed? I've read all the arguments (so far) but Deval Patrick wasn't "victimized" by plagiarism. You'd have thought the man had his house broken into by Obama and the gut of his hard drive stolen by the ridiculous posts about this.

If this is something the press or WE are blowing out of proportion and NOT Hillary's campaign, then I can take a sigh of relief that their campaign has not jumped the shark.

But if they are really crying foul about a speech-no words--from a friend of Obama's, then it reeks of desperation. If they are going to be this petty over something this trite, then I don't think they will be able to handle it if they lose the nomination.

I mean, good grief...this is nuts...

[tabatha]

1. Agreed.

And what is even nuttier, borderline insane... all those who shouted plagiarism and would not stop despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

[jasmine621]

23. They can handle losing. They always have. Perhaps 2012 is her year.

After McCain screws things up. Even the Hillary haters will be willing to support her. By then, the Obama mania will have blown in the wind.

[angie_love]

32. So i guess you're hoping for Obama to lose, you're really sick.

"democrat" my ass.

[David Zephyr]

2. They've suffered 8 defeats in a row. They are going to lose again tomorrow. It's a bad patch of road

As Texas is now evaporating from them, reality is setting in.

I don't think it is Hillary, but Mark Penn and Terry McAuliffe saying 'fire every torpedo' and still wrecking her campaign.

It's too late now for Hillary to fire Mark Penn, but he has overseen the demise of a great candidate. I've never seen anyone fall like she has fallen and I really don't blame her.

[Blue_Roses]

4. It's almost like they are inadvertently sabotaging

her campaign--either by pure stupidity or desperation. Slam 'em at all costs strategy does not work--especially after the Rove. People are sick, SICK of this kind of crap.

[Arugula Latte]

5. I am of the premise she was never a very strong candidate to begin with.

Yes, she had big name recognition. But, balance that with her high negatives, her "political viability" IWR vote that backfired and her stubborn refusal to apologize for it, her uninspiring, and, frankly, irritating speaking style, her arrogant attitude going into this race, and her outdated, over-heavy reliance on old school techniques to get money and votes...Doesn't exactly add up to Dream Candidate.

[Mme. Defarge]

17. Bingo!

[Lefty-Taylor]

20. As usual, Oregonian, you're right-on-target. I bet your husband is proud of your sound logic.

Oh yeah, he's of like mind and feels the same way about HRC as you. You make a good couple!

[Arugula Latte]

21. Forget my husband, Lefty-T! What say you and I sneak away together ...

Maybe we can settle down and get some kitties together ... Who knows, maybe even kids some day ... A boy and a girl ... :*


;) :hi:

[ellisonz]

37. You win.

[CorpGovActivist]

39. .

[BuyingThyme]

3. The "plagiarism" thing is intended to convince people that

Obama is little more than pretty words.

They've been working on that theme for a long time and have apparently decided to bet the farm on this hand.

[FrenchieCat]

6. Hillary campaign on a hour long conference call pushing this story

with news folks today.

That's pushing it.

[Blue_Roses]

8. I've not had the TV on today

this is ridiculous:crazy:

[aaroh]

35. youtube

youtube is my tv

[FrenchieCat]

7. Hillary campaign on a hour long conference call pushing this story

The blowback on this is what is gonna hurt!
http://www.oliverwillis.com/archives/2008/02/18/clintons-plagiarism-charge-fal/

[Johnny__Motown]

13. But the blow back may be to late to effect tomorrow's elections and may be forgotten before TX OH

[FrenchieCat]

19. I'm gonna give credit to Wisconsin voters on that one......

Because once anyone actually hears what part of the speech was "copied"......the two words seem pretty small considering the noise. "Just Words" ain't exactly more than much to do about absolutely not a damn thing.

The other words are those of our founders, Dr. King, FDR, etc....

If voters buy this without knowing what was actually said and where it came from, I feel sorry for them.

I think both KO and Larry King did Obama justice on this....and I believe those are the shows that Dem Wisconsin voters watched tonight. Even the Networks are giving Obama a pretty decent shake....

Lou Dobbs was the main asshole in the bunch of pundits that dogged out Obama. Him and wolfie on the Clinton News Network. :eyes:

[tishaLA]

24. Thanks for that link

Sen Obama is very adroit about matters like this. Very cunning, too.

[aaroh]

36. thanks

thanks

[Thrill]

9. So who does Hillary fire tomorrow night?

[Blue_Roses]

10. get rid of Terry Mc for sure

he annoys the hell out of me...

Mark Penn is a disaster too...

That's for starters...

Will it happen? Nope.

[Thrill]

12. I think Bill Clinton will get his pink slip

ouch

[Yael]

16. She can't afford to do that. If she pulls him off the trail

then she is admitting that he is a disaster for her campaign.

Lob.

Media responds with something to the effect of, "if he is a disaster in the campaign, do we want him back in the WH"?

Volley.

Public responds with *shiver*

Match.

Set.

Game.

[DesEtoiles]

11. with this attitude, Hillary won't stand up to Republicans, she will only whine about them

[Blue_Roses]

14. what it REALLY tells me is...

if she is breaking up under this kind of pressure--unsettling polls and a tight race--how would she fare against the republican machine that will do anything to rip her to shreds?

[DesEtoiles]

and what if she has a Republican Congress in 2010? whine, whine, whine

[AZBlue]

15. It's two f'ing words.

They are really desperate.

You bring up a good point though - how will they handle it? And, to take it further, what will they try next??!?

[saigon68]

18. That's OK many pukes I know

Are making a special effort to vote against her tomorrow

[nonconformist]

25. Are they voting for Obama in the GE too? nt

[saigon68]

26. Nope

They won't vote for that (Insert your own racial epithet here)

[nonconformist]

27. Well, I'm glad they're helping to choose our nominee for us.

:puke:

[saigon68]

28. Yes that's the beauty of

An open primary

They (the pukes) are equipped with lip stick to put on the pig

That's why in 1984 we were a caucus state here

The Dems opened up the open primary right after that

I thought it was and still think it (the open primary) is a bad idea

[nonconformist]

29. I totally agree, we need to get rid of the open primaries. nt

[saigon68]

38. Well I voted at 7:30 this AM

I will watch with interest tonight.

Thanks for the chat

--John

[CorpGovActivist]

31. Maybe she'll admit, "I'm sorry."

As in, "I'm a sorry excuse for a progressive."

- Dave

[TexasObserver]

22. They'll be moving to Paraguay, too, I suppose

[CorpGovActivist]

30. Bill is no Professor Higgins, after all. n/t

[michaz]

33. Agreed! Words, they are words. This is a desperate act on Obama

and it stinks of desperation of the Clinton campaign. If she and her supporters have to resort to using "this" as an issue they are in big, big trouble.

[aaroh]

34. nah she's a write-off

write her off

[saigon68]

40. ~

[Beacool]

41. You Obamanites seem to forget that Hillary has won the votes

of almost as many people as Obama. Do any of you think that he can win the presidency without her supporters?????

There are already plenty of them that are turned off by the "cult" meme of Obama's candidacy and may not vote or even choose to vote for McCain. So, it would behoove the Obama fans to be a little more respectful of senator Clinton.

As for how would the Clintons handle losing the nomination, if it comes to that, they'll be just fine. Hillary is a great senator from NY and she's not up for reelection until 2012. Bill has found a new calling through his foundation and will continue to do a lot of good for thousands of people worldwide.

It is the country I'm more worried about........

[Blue_State_Elitist]

42. They would handle it just fine.

They lost big in 1980 in Arkansas and rebounded. If Hillary doesn't get this nomination I'm sure that she and Bill will continue to work positively for the country.