If You’re An Obama Supporter… / If You’re A Clinton Supporter… Part 1

[NMMNG]

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If you’re an Obama supporter, you know Clinton has too much “baggage” to win the general election.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you know Clinton has successfully fought off the Republican attack machine for the past 16 years, and there’s nothing new to throw at her that will stick.

If you’re an Obama supporter, asking how Obama will deflect right-wing attacks (such as questioning his “Muslim family ties” or dealings with Tony Rezko) during the general election campaign is good strategy.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, asking how Obama will deflect right-wing attacks (such as questioning his “Muslim family ties” or dealings with Tony Rezko) means you’re just a paid Hillary shill and/or “concern troll” trying to smear Obama.

If you’re an Obama supporter, suggesting that Latinos are not voting for Obama because “Latinos hate blacks” is a valid observation.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, noticing that African-Americans are voting overwhelmingly for Obama is racist.

If you’re an Obama supporter, you hate Hillary for her pro-Iraq War Resolution vote, and remind everyone within earshot that Obama never voted in favor of the IWR.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you remind everyone within earshot that Obama was not a Senator at the time of the IWR, and thus no one knows how he might have voted (especially when you consider his votes to continue funding the war ever since), but you get drowned out by the Obama supporters reminding everyone within earshot that Obama never voted in favor of the IWR.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you don’t like the fact that Clinton voted to authorize the Iraq War, but you realize that 76 other Senators, many with far more liberal leanings than Clinton, were duped into a “Yea” vote by the Bush administration’s lies.

If you’re an Obama supporter, Hillary started the Iraq War all by herself.

If you’re an Obama supporter, you remember than Barack supported John Kerry in his 2004 run for the White House, and you think this is fine, because both are solid, anti-war Democrats.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you remember that Kerry voted the same way Clinton did on the 2002 Iraq War Resolution.

If you’re an Obama supporter, you cheer Obama’s plan to start withdrawing troops from Iraq within 16 months after taking office.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, nobody listens when you mention Clinton’s plan to start withdrawing troops from Iraq within 60 days after taking office.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you know you can’t reasonably assume that Hillary is going to bring all the best things about her husband’s eight years of peace and prosperity to the table — you may be getting a “twofer,” but ultimately, it’s Hillary running, not Bill.

If you’re an Obama supporter, you know Hillary is going to bring all the worst things about her husband’s eight years of — well, you can’t remember what was so bad about the Clinton years, except for the Monica Lewinsky scandal, but you’re sure there’s plenty of bad stuff that will carry over into a Hillary Clinton administration.

If you’re an Obama supporter, it’s time for those old, out-of-touch, irrelevant Baby Boomers — in fact, it’s time for everyone over the age of 45 — to get the hell out of the way and hand the reins over to the youth of America.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, of any age, you suddenly become irrelevant the moment you remind the Obama supporters that Obama himself is 46 years old, which makes him a Baby Boomer, too.

If you’re an Obama supporter, 54-year-old Robert F. Kennedy is an out-of-touch Baby Boomer (he did, after all, endorse Clinton).

If you’re an Obama supporter, 50-year-old Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg is a savvy, intelligent American (she did, after all, endorse Obama).

If you’re an Obama supporter, you use to revere 80-year-old poet laureate and living American treasure Maya Angelou — until she endorsed Clinton, which suddenly made her old, out of touch, and irrelevant.

If you’re an Obama supporter, 76-year-old Ted Kennedy is neither old, nor out of touch, nor irrelevant, because he endorsed Barack Obama.

If you’re an Obama supporter, you stand behind Obama for demanding that Don Imus and John Tanner be fired from their respective jobs for making racist remarks.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you have no right to demand that Obama fire rabidly anti-gay “ex-gay” preacher Donnie McClurkin — who demonizes gay and lesbian Americans as child killers — hired to emcee an Obama fundraiser chock-full of homophobes.

If you’re an Obama supporter, you agree that marriage equality for same-sex couples is a decision that should be left to the states.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you wonder how Obama can use the same “states’ rights” argument against same-sex marriage that was used against his own parents’ interracial marriage (which wasn’t recognized in a handful of states at the time they were married).

If you’re an Obama supporter, you echo Obama’s repeated mantra of “post-partisan unity,” and agree wholeheartedly that it’s time to “reach out” to Republicans because we can’t get anything done if we’re not all working together.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, pointing out that Obama pits minority groups within the Democratic Party against one another in order to score votes and donations from the larger and more powerful group is just wrong. And racist.

If you’re an Obama supporter, you insist that Obama has not interjected religion into this campaign.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you want to know how Obama can justify his refusal to support same-sex marriage equality based on his own religious beliefs — as well as the religious beliefs of Dick Cheney, “and over 2,000 religious leaders”.

If you’re an Obama supporter, anyone who won’t sign a loyalty oath to vote for Obama in the general election is a traitor to the Democratic Party.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you’re not allowed to take issue with Michelle Obama’s reluctance to support Hillary Clinton if she wins the Democratic nomination.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, you remember how quoting passages from a speech by British Labor party leader Neil Kinnock, and “forgetting” to attribute those passages to Kinnock, cost Joe Biden the 1988 Democratic nomination.

If you’re an Obama supporter, plagiarizing a key portion of Deval Patrick’s 2006 campaign speech is a non-issue.

Stay tuned for Part 2. There’s just so much more, presenting it all at once would result in the longest blog entry in the history of the Web.


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[Maven]

1. K/R

[NMMNG]

8. Feel free to distribute it far and wide

Instructions and conditions are available at the Permalink. :hi:

[Kikosexy2]

98. Left out...

one thing: If you're an Obama supporter, then Oprah is GOD!!...What Oprah says her followers do...

[NMMNG]

99. Fortunately not all of us follow the big O

Some of us think for ourselves.

[Kikosexy2]

104. Thank God ...

not Oprah, Think for yourselves and vote SMART....

[ExtraGriz]

96. again

excellent post...bookmarked!!

[Maddy McCall]

2. Awesome!

Those are GREAT! :rofl:

[NMMNG]

122. Hey Maddy!

Whats up!


:bounce:

[Skittles]

3. they are demonizing Krugman now too

for not goose-stepping to Obmaa

[Bicoastal]

4. Ooooh, I got one! If you're a Clinton supporter,

...you think constant negativity is a GOOD thing for your candidate to associate herself with.

If you're an Obama supporter, you're feeling pretty damn positive right about now...

:evilgrin:

[Skittles]

6. you don't get it, do you?

something is seriously wrong - SERIOUSLY WRONG - with the double standard. AND PLEASE DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF BEING A CLINTONITE. As an outsider looking in I see over-idolization of Obama and over-demonization of Hillary and I am a fan of NEITHER.

[theHandpuppet]

36. Howdy doo, Skittles

:hi:

Haven't seen you around much -- thought I'd just say good mornin'.

[Omegaman]

127. I'm an Obama supporter...

An I think you have hit the nail on the head, so to speak.  I
think the reason I support Obama (and I DON'T trash Hillary)
is that he seems to project a 'hope for a better tomorrow', I
know that might be irrational but that is how I feel.  I for
one a sick to death with all of the finger pointing and back
biting that is in government today.  Too me it appears that if
a Democrat has a good idea, then the Republicans automatically
think it is 'from the Devil himself' but it is somewhat the
same thing with the Democrats.  It would be nice to have a
good idea and the Congress worked together for a change. 

[XemaSab]

7. Bah! Screw hope!

:grr:

[pauldg0]

106. Give me a break pal....

All they do is fight and say nothing, nada, not a damn thing. I'm sick of both of them and so is the public. I think it's going all the way to the convention.

Is there any way that we can just shut these two up with all their negative arguing?

This is what we are going to get for our nominee!!!!??? I am just pissed off at the public for including these two clowns as our potential candidate to run for the Democratic party.

What a joke.

Folks, is there any way we could get John Edwards on the ballot for our upcoming party convention? If there are any Edwards folks still out there, do not support any of these two people. They don't deserve one more ounce of any body's attention.

Can Al Gore come in and straighten them all out? It is embarrassing !! How could this possibly happen. God, please bring John Edwards back somehow. The New Hampshire for Al Gore endorsed John Edwards. I hope and I pray that Al Gore will come in and swoop up Edwards to do something positive for the upside-down Democratic party.

I'm just pissed off with these two Morons!!

[MADem]

5. This is flat out brilliant. And right on the mark, too. NT

[Hepburn]

66. If you think this is brilliant, then IMO...

...you probably think Paris Hilton is an actress.

:eyes:

[Creideiki]

82. Logically

Paris Hilton is an actress. The real question is whether or not she's a GOOD actress. :)

[MADem]

139. Oooooh, hit a nerve, did it?

Sorry, I'm not in your Paris Hilton fan club, there!

It's still brilliant, though!

:evilgrin:

[Levgreee]

9. If you’re an Obama supporter, you agree that marriage equality for same-sex couples is a decision

that should be left to the states."

Hillary holds the exact same position. Most of your other points are idiotic too.

[Levgreee]

10. If you’re a Clinton supporter, you don’t like the fact that Clinton voted to authorize the Iraq War,

but you realize that 76 other Senators, many with far more liberal leanings than Clinton, were duped into a “Yea” vote by the Bush administration’s lies.





that 76 includes all the Republicans but one. 22 Democrat senators voted against the IWR, while 29 did not. That is nearly half of the Democratic senators. Are you implying we should take the Republicans' opinions into account?

[Maribelle]

51. Only one democratic senator voted against the IWR, the Levin and the Durbin amendments.

What should this mean to Obama Supporters? It should mean that in his anti-war speech of 10-26-2002 he could at least give us hints as to how he knew Saddam posed no immediate threat - - in all his puff he has never even one indicated how he knew.


Because that one senator that voted against all three has given us thorough and in-depth explanations of why he voted against all three, careful to include as much as possible.



But of course I could be making a false assumption that all of Obama supporters are not even remotely aware of the intelligence behind Obama's conclusions of how "he knew", and are merely thumping the puff of the empty suit.

[NMMNG]

115. While we're at defcon whatever and "Ignore" isn't working...

that 76 includes all the Republicans but one. 22 Democrat senators voted against the IWR, while 29 did not. That is nearly half of the Democratic senators. Are you implying we should take the Republicans' opinions into account?

Ask Mr. "Let's reach out to the Republicans". :shrug:

[Levgreee]

11. If you’re a Clinton supporter, asking how Obama will deflect right-wing attacks (such as questioning

his “Muslim family ties” or dealings with Tony Rezko) means you’re just a paid Hillary shill and/or “concern troll” trying to smear Obama."

Because these have already been beaten into the ground over a number of years, and there is nothing of substance.

[Levgreee]

12. If you’re an Obama supporter, you cheer Obama’s plan to start withdrawing troops from Iraq within 16

months."

That's not his plan. His plan is to have ALL the troops out within 16 months.



DEAR god! Do you realize all the lies and blatant misinformation you are touting?

[Sapphocrat]

13. Do you know how many times you've kicked this thread?

Well done!

Keep kicking this thread all night, will ya? In the morning, I'll try to find a certain Obama supporter's OP that expresses concern over a RL discussion about the Muslim "smear" (as if being a Muslim were a bad thing to begin with!).

As for your rapid-fire, practically obsessive, flop-sweat-sticky replies to the OP (who, IIRC, has you on ignore), I say to you, in the finest tradition of the Yawn Brigade: :boring:

[Levgreee]

15. I did it all in the same 5 minutes while it was at the top of the page, so I wasn't "kicking it".

And my posts are just simple retorts, showing the deep intellectual dishonesty in the original post.


I don't know what you mean by "rapid-fire, practically obsessive, flop-sweat-sticky replies". you don't have to read them if you don't want to.

[Sapphocrat]

16. Well, you kept kicking it to the top of my GDP forum view.

Oh, of course I read your posts. Your "simple retorts" always entertain me! :hi:

[Sapphocrat]

20. Did you disappear, little buddy?

I was so counting on you to keep this thread kicked!

I'm sad now! I thought we were friends. :(

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. ...

:evilgrin:

[theHandpuppet]

37. Or you could start your own thread

But as we've seen "borrowing" the ideas of others is classic Obama.

[Moochy]

125. Maybe you dont understand the value of negative attention?

:kick: for this silly thread! Think of it as charity.

[NMMNG]

128. Moochy, you *do* care!

:loveya:

[sandnsea]

14. If you believe this tripe

you've got blinders that compete with any that a Bush backer wears.

There are new scandals, Gupta, Hsu, Chatwal, Khazikstan and more.

Obama has clearly answered Muslim smears, Rezko has been dragged through the media for years.

The observation by the Clinton campaign regarding Latinos and Blacks are BOTH racist.

The IWR which has been debunked endlessly. She didn't just vote for the IWR, she supported the WAR.

I can sure remember the bad things about the Clinton years, NAFTA, dumping people off welfare, swapping forest for ski resort developers, pushing oil pipelines through Afghanistan, etc.

And on and on with your ridiculous spew. If the Clinton campaign didn't lie they'd have nothing to say.

[muyojoe]

114. HOW COME SO MANY OF YOU DON'T GET IT

This is propaganda promoted by and against both. That is the point, not the individual points that are listed. All these stories have run in the media, that is the point. Many of them are so outrageous that it is obvious drivel, but that didn't stop it from running against either candidate. That is what really scares me about some of the supporters now, they only see their side, just like a repuke.

[gaspee]

17. Well done

And this double standard is the reason if I vote for Clinton - I don't dislike her but I am wayyyyy more liberal than she is. I'm probably still gonna vote Edwards on March 4th. Three other people in my household are voting Clinton because they like her.

I am so damned sick of this demonizing of the Clintons. Using right wing talking points no less. Mostly by people who should know better!

I'm trying to cut them some slack because half of them were weaned on fox news and were kids during the Clinton years and brainwashed by the right wing smear merchant media.

I'm pretty much resigned to an Obama nomination at this point. Don't have to like it and I won't go around saying "told ya so" when things go FUBAR.

The double standard is KILLING me. I have so many Obama people on ignore (I used to only ignore misogynists and gay bashers) that I don't see probably half the threads. It's the only way I can spend any time at DU these days.

[NMMNG]

18. I'll pass your kudos on to the author

I am so damned sick of this demonizing of the Clintons. Using right wing talking points no less.

Yep. It sounds more like FR around here than DU lately the way the Clintons are trashed like utter dog-doo.



The double standard is KILLING me. I have so many Obama people on ignore (I used to only ignore misogynists and gay bashers) that I don't see probably half the threads.

Same here. I just roll my eyes 90% of the time and shout over to my SO about the outrageousness of it all. Of course I can tell this post is hitting home by the number of replies that are coming from "Ignored". :rofl:

[avrdream]

19. Agree passionately with what you are saying - especially the FUBAR part.

I am very worried that this double standard is going to ruin our chance at taking back the White House.

[boppers]

21. You had me until:

"If you’re an Obama supporter, suggesting that Latinos are not voting for Obama because “Latinos hate blacks” is a valid observation."

Didn't this bit of absurdity come out of the Clinton camp?

[NMMNG]

23. No, it didn't

It came from New Republic Magazine. (Which is a liberal magazine, BTW)

[tomchaps]

132. You're both right...

Just a quick clarification: while Clinton's strength among Hispanic voters had long been noted, this idea (and the controversy surrounding it) only became a newsworthy campaign issue after a New Yorker article directly quoted a Clinton staffer just after New Hampshire. So, both you and the earlier poster are kinda right.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/01/21/080121fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=1

...is the link to the article, and here is how it ends: "Interestingly, in the final days of the New Hampshire campaign, when defeat looked certain for Clinton, it was Hillary’s aides who started talking privately about racial politics. They argued that on February 5th, when twenty-two states vote, Hillary’s fire wall would be Hispanic voters in the largest states, such as California and New York.

On the morning after Clinton’s victory, I talked to Sergio Bendixen, one of her pollsters, who specializes in the Hispanic vote. “In all honesty, the Hispanic vote is extremely important to the Clinton campaign, and the polls have shown—and today is not a great day to cite polls—that even though she was slipping with women in Iowa and blacks in South Carolina, she was not slipping with Hispanics,” he said. “The fire wall doesn’t apply now, because she is in good shape, but before last night the Hispanic vote was going to be the most important part of her fire wall on February 5th.” The implications of that strategy are not necessarily uplifting.

When I asked Bendixen about the source of Clinton’s strength in the Hispanic community, he mentioned her support for health care, and Hispanic voters’ affinity for the Clinton era. “It’s one group where going back to the past really works,” he said. “All you need to say in focus groups is ‘Let’s go back to the nineties.’ ” But he was also frank about the fact that the Clintons, long beloved in the black community, are now dependent on a less edifying political dynamic: “The Hispanic voter—and I want to say this very carefully—has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.”

[Sancho]

22. Thank you...excellent

:dem:

[denem]

24. THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT HILLARY

That's the problem. She's a hard sell. 40% of the population believe anything negative they hear about her, and discount anything positive. It's like starting a race 15 years behind the starting line. It's got little to do with policy and everything to do with perception. Fair or Unfair. That's it.

[Apollo11]

27. So nobody believes anything negative they hear about Obama?

Nobody believes he is a (current or former) Muslim?

Nobody believes that he doesn't respect the flag?

Nobody believes he got an amazingly good deal on his house purchase?

Nobody believes he borrows lines from other politicians' speeches?

Nobody believes he is afraid to have more debates with Hillary?

Nobody believes his healthcare plan won't cover every American?

Nobody believes that he panders to "ex-Gay" fundie preachers?

It sounds like this dude is some kind of invincible superhero! B-)

[theHandpuppet]

38. Just who are "the people"?

Now, you might say a mjority of people, but please don't presume to include me and millions of other Americans in your "THE PEOPLE". You don't speak for me and neither does Barack Obama.

[denem]

41. Should have been "People don't want Hillary"

Points taken.

[NMMNG]

63. The People?

So now Obama supporters are The People? :rofl:

[Creideiki]

83. Come on, Buffy,

you're not a person. Didn't you know that? :eyes:

[NMMNG]

86. I know

Between being a gaytheist and not voting for Obama I just don't count. :shrug:

[Alamom]

25. Excellent & I'm looking forward to the next entry. rec. nm

[Perry Logan]

26. Superb evisceration of the Obamites.

[NMMNG]

64. I'll let the author know you liked it.

:hi:

[terrya]

28. Yet another recommendation

:thumbsup:

[NMMNG]

30. Thank you

:hi:

[Political Heretic]

29. The only response required:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4644244&mesg_id=4644244

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. K&R!

[LostinVA]

32. I can't K&R this enough!

Good job, Buffy.

[desi]

34. "THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT HILLARY" yells an Obama supporter

Then who or what is showing up to vote for her all over America? Well there are 6 people in this house who DO WANT Hillary and will be voting for her on March 4th. Two of them will be casting their very first vote for Hillary. So NO, Obama does not have a lock on all the young PEOPLE. We are indeed people and YES we do want Hillary.

K&Highly recommended.

[theHandpuppet]

39. You didn't get the memo

Those who support Hillary aren't people, just the enemy. And to think this is what we can look forward to from Obama's brand of "unity".

[denem]

45. We've got some cattle cars and train tracks just 4 U

:sarcasm:

[desi]

47. I never imagined that a Democrat would be tossing aside Baby Boomers,

'60s Anti-War demonstrators, Latinos, '90s Clintonites, etc in "hopes" of attracting Republicans and "Independents" to his "cause" Obama has done a much better job of dividing the Democratic Party than Karl Rove could have ever done.

:kick:

[denem]

54. Your old road is

Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

It's a ballad as old as time itself.

[NMMNG]

65. Well, we got this attitude from the RRRW

You know, that we weren't "Mainstream America". I guess now we're not "The People". Funny how they'll do anything they can to marginalize us.

[yourguide]

44. when your candidate feels like

she has to steal pledged delegates from another candidate:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html

perhaps she knows the people dont want her. barack leads in the popular vote, delegates, & fundraising. that might be enough to let you know that many arent interested in HRC.

[tekisui]

35. If you're a Clinton supporter, things aren't looking too good right now.

All of your heroine's attempts and attacks have failed. You can't get your head around how to beat Obama.

[NMMNG]

113. Clinton is the candidate I voted for, not my heroine.

That's the difference between me and countless Obama supporters. I'm not into hero worship. :hi:

[yourguide]

40. what shitty chain email did you pull this out of?

You shouldnt be proud of this.

In fact this statement: If you’re an Obama supporter, suggesting that Latinos are not voting for Obama because “Latinos hate blacks” is a valid observation.

lends a really charming and racist touch and then you throw in the racism on the next line.

However I dont see anything in this crap chain email to address a clinton supporter's stance on stealing pledged delegates: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html

Go away, keep sending your stupid Barack Hussein Obama chain emails too.

[NMMNG]

67. No chain e-mal. It was an original work

Go read the site. Enjoy. :hi:

[yourguide]

137. Tell the "writer"...

not to quit his/her day job....

[theHandpuppet]

42. A big ol' K&R!!!!!!

Definitely one to save for future reference.

[robbedvoter]

43. Wow! All the GD-P threads in one hamdy post - my hats off to ya!

Also, one correction to this nearly perfect entry:
it wasn't plagiarizing a speech, but a whole campaign

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4640701&mesg_id=4640701

[MethuenProgressive]

46. "If you’re an Obama supporter, Hillary started the Iraq War all by herself." !!

That's Chapter 6 of the Fairy Tale.

[NMMNG]

70. Hillary is Satan Incarnate and has done no good.

Obama is the Messiah. He can do no wrong.

[durrrty libby]

48. K & R Well Done

[paperbag_ princess]

49. Thanks for the post

Looking forward to part 2

Our family wants Hillary too!

[ShortnFiery]

50. If you're a Clinton supporter how do you justify her support for cluster bombs & the Iraqi Invasion?

Those votes have maimed and killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent civilians, i.e., men, women and children. :thumbsdown:

It seemingly takes a woman warmonger who has fallen in love with the Military Industrial Complex to turn some DLC lovin' democrats into republicans. :grr:

[Maribelle]

55. If you an Obama supporter, how do you justify 'he knew'?

In fact, if you compare Obama's huge anti-war speech of 10-26-2002 to Hillary's speech of 10-10-2002 you will see that he used many of the exact points Hillary did.

He said he knew, but he never said how he knew. Only that he knew, over and over and over again.

What did Obama know, and when on earth did he know it? Not one single Obama supporter has ever been able to answer this important question.

On 10-3-2002 the beloved Paul Wellstone said


Let me be clear: Saddam Hussein is a brutal, ruthless dictator who has repressed his own people… The world would be a much better place if he were gone and the regime in Iraq were changed


On 10-26-2002 the Obama declared to a screaming crowd

Now let me be clear, I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people … The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

[avrdream]

81. Shit, now it looks like he was copying Wellstone's words!

Kicking again shamelessly.

[calico1]

52. Excellent n/t

[Maribelle]

53. I will stay tuned for Part 2

Thanks!

[NMMNG]

111. It's in the works as we speak

There's plenty of fodder for it here. :evilgrin:


:hi:

[Jamastiene]

56. Tehehe

[hfojvt]

57. couldn't this have been much, much shorter?

Summary - "If you're a Clinton supporter, you're a thoughtful intelligent sensible person.

If you're an Obama supporter, you're a two faced deluded hypocrite."

[in_cog_ni_to]

74. That works for me! However, it seems every minute 'detail' needs to be spelled out for them.

Comprehension is lacking in the Obamoids' world..:7

[NMMNG]

107. How could months of GDP be condensed into two sentences?

Really?

[RandomKoolzip]

109. And that last sentence should be amended with, "Oh, and you're a homophobe too."

[IronLionZion]

58. If you're a Clinton supporter, you're bitter about losing.

and if you're an Obama supporter, you're feeling optimistic. Obama will sweep today. burn...

[Sapphocrat]

133. Bitter, nope. Sad, certainly.

Resigned to it, absolutely. I for one have been, for quite some time.

And BHO swept today, indeed. Does that make you feel better, your "burn" slap?

[MethuenProgressive]

59. Best OP of the Day!

:applause:

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

60. That's about the size of it. K&R

[tbl92666]

61. 100% True

Thanks for this. The Obamists are so two-faced it makes me sick.

I will never vote for their guy, because I hate them so much.

[Creideiki]

85. I don't disdain the person because of the followers

Think of how good Christ's teachings are, after all. However, if Obama wants my vote (should he be the nominee, which is still in doubt) this November, he's going to need to start an open dialog on treating all citizens of the country equally. Otherwise, I'll go to the polls and happily vote for Mark Udall for the Senate, Diane DeGette for the House, and then write in something that amuses me for President.

[yardwork]

62. There's a lot of truth in this!

[Cameron27]

68. Bravo!

:applause:

K&R!

[Tyler Durden]

69. Aaaaand on the "GREATEST" SECTION........

4 Obama Clinton Slams, all of 40 recs or more...then this one (at least for a minute or two!)

[IronLionZion]

71. Obama's bill would have removed ALL combat brigades by the end of next month March 31, 2008

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001586.html

The way you people talk, you would think he supports this war. But that's only if you are stuck here in the "no fact zone". Facts speak louder than emotionally charged attacks. Real actions speak louder than GDP attack threads. American voters are speaking louder than you ever will.

burn baby burn. Obama is winning the Democratic nomination and is heading towards winning the general election. All the negativity you can spew won't be able to stop it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. BOOKMARKED!!! K & R! AWESOME, AWESOME post!!!

Thank you! PERFECT! Just PERFECT!

[IdClaire]

73. love it.

I'd k&r it if I had enough posts.

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. Welcome to DU, IdClaire!

:hi:

[lachattefolle]

76. Wow, very good synopsis. n/t

[tandot]

77. K & R

[revmike]

78. totally an Obama supporter with syrup on top

Now ebay has a pancake up for auction with Obama's initials with all money going toward his campaign! Seriously - http://cgi.ebay.com/Barack-Obama-Pancake-all-money-donated-to-campaign_W0QQitemZ300200125040QQihZ020QQcategoryZ50790QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[katty]

79. this is my favorite

If you’re an Obama supporter, Hillary started the Iraq War all by herself. (don't think so)

[ExtraGriz]

80. excellent post

bravo!! :toast:

[RoadRage]

84. How about.. If you wrote this post, you're a Clinton Supporter?

:eyes: sheesh.. this would have been good if it was actually fair or balanced. Obviously it was just intended to be another typical GDP post.

[NMMNG]

87. Thanks for the kick

:hi:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

88. If I am reading this idiotic post, it is because the ignore function isn't available right now.

Dammit! :(

[dicknbush]

126. Actually its all true

Oh and by the way I hope Clinton runs all the way to Denver and tears the party apart. I will not vote for Obama I hope many democrats stay home and let McCain run the country even further into the ground but then if Obama and his Hateful wife win they will do the same. And rest assured Michele Obam is a hateful person and not a loyal Democrat. She is all about herself and Obama.

[NMMNG]

134. Tell us how you really feel

:rofl:

[happygoluckytoyou]

89. IF YOU ARE SICK OF THE REPUBLICANS...SUPPORT THE DEM WINNER

[no name no slogan]

90. My take:

If you're a Clinton supporter, your candidate sucks.

If you're an Obama supporter, your candidate sucks.


I guess I'll just have to vote for Ron Paul then.

[sniffa]

91. If you're a Clinton supporter

you end up becoming a sad, and miserable (barely) human. You also tend to rub off on your girlfriend too, and make her just as miserable.

Enjoy yourselves. :hi:

[NMMNG]

116. We are enjoying ourselves

Because we didn't sell our souls to the devil.

[Sapphocrat]

124. Well, that's nice.

Calling Buffy and me "sad, and miserable (barely) human."

Quite a credit to your candidate, you are.

[nonconformist]

92. Most excellent! K & R! nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

93. False assumptions.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, you know Clinton has too much “baggage” to win the general election."

As an Obama supporter, I think Clinton can win the GE. Not not nearly as easily as Obama.

"If you’re a Clinton supporter, you know Clinton has successfully fought off the Republican attack machine for the past 16 years, and there’s nothing new to throw at her that will stick."

As an Obama supporter, I'm wondering what you mean by "success." The only thing I remember was calling it a vast conspiracy. And if you don't think the GOP will savage her just as badly as Obama you're fooling yourself. That said, it looks like she's her own worst enemy.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, asking how Obama will deflect right-wing attacks (such as questioning his “Muslim family ties” or dealings with Tony Rezko) during the general election campaign is good strategy."

Where on earth did you get this idea?

"If you’re an Obama supporter, suggesting that Latinos are not voting for Obama because “Latinos hate blacks” is a valid observation."

No, that's invalid for two reasons. 1. Because it's racist, 2. Because latinos are voting for Obama.

"If you’re a Clinton supporter, noticing that African-Americans are voting overwhelmingly for Obama is racist"

No. Saying certain states don't count because of all the African Americans is racist.

"If you’re a Clinton supporter, you remind everyone within earshot that Obama was not a Senator at the time of the IWR, and thus no one knows how he might have voted (especially when you consider his votes to continue funding the war ever since), but you get drowned out by the Obama supporters reminding everyone within earshot that Obama never voted in favor of the IWR."

If you're a Clinton supporter, you lie about how we can't know how he would have voted, even though he told us at the time and is on record.

"If you’re a Clinton supporter, you don’t like the fact that Clinton voted to authorize the Iraq War, but you realize that 76 other Senators, many with far more liberal leanings than Clinton, were duped into a “Yea” vote by the Bush administration’s lies."

If you used to be a war supporter yourself, you could probably overlook the IWR. Not if you've always been for peace.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, Hillary started the Iraq War all by herself."

No, if you're an Obama supporter, you remember that the War was started by Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, the Republicans in congress, and certain Democratic turncoats.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, you remember than Barack supported John Kerry in his 2004 run for the White House, and you think this is fine, because both are solid, anti-war Democrats."

If you're an Obama supporter, you probably voted for Kerry yourself, but only because he was the only valid option. Now you've got one that supports the war, and one who doesn't.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, you cheer Obama’s plan to start withdrawing troops from Iraq within 16 months after taking office."

If you're an Obama supporter, you realize he'll have all of the troops out.

"If you’re a Clinton supporter, nobody listens when you mention Clinton’s plan to start withdrawing troops from Iraq within 60 days after taking office."

If you're a Clinton supporter, you should realize that Clinton has only said she'll come up with a plan within the first 60 days, and has made no promises to bring all of them home.

"If you’re a Clinton supporter, you know you can’t reasonably assume that Hillary is going to bring all the best things about her husband’s eight years of peace and prosperity to the table — you may be getting a “twofer,” but ultimately, it’s Hillary running, not Bill."

If you're a Clinton supporter, Nepotism is no big deal to you.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, you know Hillary is going to bring all the worst things about her husband’s eight years of — well, you can’t remember what was so bad about the Clinton years, except for the Monica Lewinsky scandal, but you’re sure there’s plenty of bad stuff that will carry over into a Hillary Clinton administration."

If you're an Obama supporter, you know Clinton will bring all the worst things from her senatorship.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, it’s time for those old, out-of-touch, irrelevant Baby Boomers — in fact, it’s time for everyone over the age of 45 — to get the hell out of the way and hand the reins over to the youth of America."

If you're an Obama supporter, you stand a very good chance of being a boomer. Or a senior. Or very young. And you won't have a problem with boomers at all, since Obama is one.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, 54-year-old Robert F. Kennedy is an out-of-touch Baby Boomer (he did, after all, endorse Clinton)."

If you care about scientific literacy, you'll dismiss Robert Kennedy as a few cards short of a deck, even if he supports the candidate you like.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, you use to revere 80-year-old poet laureate and living American treasure Maya Angelou — until she endorsed Clinton, which suddenly made her old, out of touch, and irrelevant"

If you're a Clinton supporter, anybody that old is too old, and irrelevant and out of touch, unless of course they've endorsed Clinton.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, you stand behind Obama for demanding that Don Imus and John Tanner be fired from their respective jobs for making racist remarks."

If you're a Clinton supporter, you probably don't want to talk to much about racist remarks from certain surrogates.

"If you’re a Clinton supporter, pointing out that Obama pits minority groups within the Democratic Party against one another in order to score votes and donations from the larger and more powerful group is just wrong. And racist."

If you're a Clinton supporter, you probably just said something very hypocritical.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, anyone who won’t sign a loyalty oath to vote for Obama in the general election is a traitor to the Democratic Party."

If you're a Clinton supporter, you find yourself asking if you'll vote for the Democratic nominee this year.

"If you’re a Clinton supporter, you’re not allowed to take issue with Michelle Obama’s reluctance to support Hillary Clinton if she wins the Democratic nomination."

See the bit above about hypocrisy.

"If you’re an Obama supporter, plagiarizing a key portion of Deval Patrick’s 2006 campaign speech is a non-issue."

If you call that plagiarism, you have no shame.

[skepticscott]

94. Don't you wish

you'd stayed in R/T? Where reason, logic and civility are the words of the day? Where facts trump emotion 24/7? Where even people with views that are 180 degrees apart (as opposed to My Democrat/Your Democrat) sometimes manage to get along? Where seldom is heard a discouraging....oops, that's taken.

[NMMNG]

105. Heh heh

GDP makes R/T look downright civil and rational. How is that for irony? :rofl:

[Name removed]

95. Deleted message

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[Sapphocrat]

97. Get the log out of your own eye, Obama supporter.

It's blinding you to the "petty, unadulterated crap that spews from *Obama* supporters in the guise of political discourse."

Incidentally, you might be fascinated to learn that I chose Clinton in much the same way you chose Obama: I was ambivalent about Obama until the McClurkin issue, which caused me to take a hard look at Obama's position on every other issue under the sun. What I saw compelled me to vote for Clinton.

[tbl92666]

101. Thanks for that

As a gay man, that was the opening of my eyes, as far as Obama was concerned. His nasty followers and his free pass with the media opened them that much farther.

Its too bad that all these Obamists will not have their eyes opened until it is too late; if he wins, that is.

[Redstone]

100. Excellent. Thank you for posting that. And thanks to the author as well.

Redstone

[NMMNG]

118. We both appreciate your kudos.

:hi:

[Fresh_Start]

102. thank you

from an Edwards supporter

[libbygurl]

103. Wow, that about sums up all the arguments for me! Thanks much for this!

And will spread it far and wide!

[NMMNG]

120. You're quite welcome

Enjoy!

[Beausoir]

108. Fantastic!

[FlyingSquirrel]

110. Yet another broad-brush attack....

from a Clinton supporter who would like to be able to marginalize Obama supporters and pigeonhole them. So tired of this. And tired of it the other way around too. People who have chosen their sides have done so for many varied reasons, some valid and some probably not. But to attempt to say that only one side (and everyone on that side) employs double standards to justify their decision is simply false.

Case in point - "Plagiarism"?

[Sapphocrat]

112. Of course, Obama supporters NEVER...

...marginalize Clinton supporters and pigeonhole them. Nossiree, Bob! Not once have I ever seen an Obama supporter marginalize or pigeonhole Baby Boomers, women, LGBTs, white voters without degrees, blue-collar workers... :eyes:

That Taste-O'-Your-Own brand medicine is bitter stuff, isn't it?

P.S. If you're feeling "oppressed" right now, ya don't get to. You're in the majority, remember? Any cry of "persecution" of Obama supporters will hold about as much water as the Christian Right's cries of persecution by atheists. A minority cannot oppress a majority.

[FlyingSquirrel]

138. Have to take issue with that last statement...

"A minority cannot oppress a majority"

Not within the context of DU, but in real world context. The rich whites in South Africa were a minority. So are the Repugs in Congress and the WH but they still manage to oppress the majority - in fact, the way the rules are currently written, they can continue to oppress us most of the time thanks to the Electoral College which allows them greater representation than they really should have. The minority Sunnis oppressed the majority Shiites in Iraq. In point of fact the minority is able to oppress the majority a good part of the time in real life.

But your point is probably valid on DU (if you consider it oppression). I personally don't see how it can rise to that level, but if you're feeling oppressed then you're feeling oppressed and I'm sorry to hear that there are fellow DU'ers who are feeling that way.

:-(

[disunderestimated]

117. Obama and Clinton are NOT from the same generation...

"If you’re an Obama supporter, it’s time for those old, out-of-touch, irrelevant Baby Boomers — in fact, it’s time for everyone over the age of 45 — to get the hell out of the way and hand the reins over to the youth of America.

If you’re a Clinton supporter, of any age, you suddenly become irrelevant the moment you remind the Obama supporters that Obama himself is 46 years old, which makes him a Baby Boomer, too."

__________________

Clinton, born in 1947, falls into the what some call Leading Edge Boomers (1946-1955); people who reached their late teen years during the height of the Vietnam War era and subject to the draft OR those conceived by soldiers on leave during WWII. This cohort is very different from Shadow Boomers born 1956-1964. More importantly, as with lots of generations, definitions of the Boomer cohort overlaps with the widespread definition of Gen X as those born between 1961 -1972.

Obama, born in at the end of 1961, is a cusper between Boomer and Gen Xer. And like many Gen Xers his formative years saw the migration of drugs from inner cities to suburbs, the rise of the AIDS epidemic, ready access to birth control, legalized abortion, more mothers in work place, zero population movement, increased divorce while the world experienced the decline of colonial imperialism,the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War while.

Implying that these two are from the same generation is to miss a HUGE difference between the policy and value perspectives of these two candidates and their supporters.

[Sapphocrat]

119. No argument about the difference between Boomers and Busters.

The point is that Obama supporters have been the ones lumping everyone over the age of 45 in with the Boomers and telling us all -- regardless of ideology -- to go to hell.

Or have you somehow miraculously missed all those "get the hell out of the way" threads?

P.S. No need to explain the differences between Boomers and Busters -- Obama is exactly my age. Which probably contributes to the many reasons he doesn't impress me -- he's my peer, not my savior.

[disunderestimated]

121. Not sure what a Buster is technically...

But I hope Clinton supporters don't make the mistake of assuming Obama is also a Boomer. Those formative issues that separate folks born in 61 form those born in 47 are real and very instructive.

As for Obama supporters demonizing those over 45, thats to be expected from each generation. It was the Boomers who said not to trust anyone over 35. (Hey consider it a 10 year grace period over the Boomers.)


All that said - I'll admit I have missed the get out of the way threads - I rarely post and as a rule avoid the BS cat fight posts between the babies from either campaign who post 200 x a day.

[NMMNG]

123. Obama was born during the Baby Boomer period, during the second cohort

* Baby Boomer cohort #1 (born from 1946 to 1954)
o Memorable events: assassinations of JFK, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King, political unrest, walk on the moon, Vietnam War, anti-war protests, social experimentation, sexual freedom, civil rights movement, environmental movement, women's movement, protests and riots, experimentation with various intoxicating recreational substances
o Key characteristics: experimental, individualism, free spirited, social cause oriented
* Baby Boomer cohort #2 (born from 1955 to 1964)
o Memorable events: Watergate, Nixon resigns, the Cold War, the oil embargo, raging inflation, gasoline shortages
o Key characteristics: less optimistic, distrust of government, general

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Boomers


The second cohort is what is sometimes called the "Baby Busters" cohort.


And though you missed them there were plenty of "get out of the way--or else" threads. Anybody over 30-35 was supposed to STFU and get out of the way (one person even suggested they wanted us all to die) so the younger generation could take over and run the country because "it's their turn".


I myself am one of the older GenXers so I'm stuck between the Boomers who are supposed to be thrown into the Soylent Green hoppers and the GenY people who want to run roughshod over everybody. It's not a pretty scene.

[Omegaman]

129. Anyone that says...

get out of the way isn't coming from the same place that I am.
 I like Obama because he does try to be inclusive.  I don't
have enough time to sit on the computer all day and read up on
everything, so I am a bit out of touch.

[NMMNG]

130. That's very kind of you

Sadly there are too many here who have gone very much against the "unity" ideal that Obama claims to be seeking by saying just that--repeatedly and loudly. It has made it clear that to them it's not unity, it's "join or else".

[disunderestimated]

131. Oh you mean the same thing by Busters ...

As what I called Shadow Boomers. Fair enough. First Boomer and second boomer cohorts. So given that you do acknowledge that they are coming from two different cohorts - you support my thesis that there are real generational differences between Clinton and Obama that are very instructive about how they view policy, leadership, etc.

Just as importantly, and I mentioned a bit earlier - Obama could be defined as belonging to EITHER the tail end of the Boomer cohort (Shadow Boomer or Baby Buster) OR to the early part of Gen X. He is technically a cusper. Born on the edge of two cohorts. I think that's even more relevant when compared to someone born at the very early stage of the first Boomer cohort like Hillary.

As for the trollers who say such stupid stuff about people over 35 dying - I hope you take them as seriously as they deserve. You know it's someone's "turn" when they don't say such stupid things.

[RummyTheDummy]

135. Spare us part 2

Because part 1 was lame, dishonest, slanted, vile and most of all, redundant.

Don't quit your day job. A writer, you're not.

[NMMNG]

136. I'll tell the author how much you liked it.

Since I believe she has you on Ignore.


You have a great night now. :hi: