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poomie123 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:09 AM
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Open Letter to Super Delegates
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 09:28 AM by poomie123
Dear Madams and Sirs:

For your respectful consideration, as a concerned Democrat, I raise and analyze
this issue:

Who would give us the best chance to recapture the White House, Obama or Clinton?

Today, most pundits and media, say Obama. And, not surprisingly, many republicans SAY they agree.

That they join the chorus, is telling. They WANT us to pick Obama.

But for reasons stated below, contrary to what they publicly say, the republicans really believe beating Obama would be easier than taking on Hillary.

So, to help get Obama nominated, republicans are voting for him in open primaries. A few days ago, I heard some interviews of a few such republicans on NPR. They intend to vote for Obama in Wisconsin’s February 19 open primary. Though they didn’t say this directly, they implied: "We’ve got our guy, so let’s help get him the opponent he can whip."

Thus, unexpectedly and amazingly, republican cross-over voting has become a bonanza for Obama. It gives him momentum. It helps him get more primary wins, including thus far eight straight, and more elected delegates. But the fact is in November all these extra-republican votes will go to McCain.

In any case, for now, Obama astutely is using the benefit of these extra votes to tout himself as an unstoppable juggernaut sweeping the country. It lets him say to super delegates: "The people are speaking, so, why don’t you join the bandwagon." But reality says but for republican votes, he would not have gotten as many primary wins and elected delegates. It’s a misleading scenario, which as explained below, could lead us to a third-in-a row defeat.

Now, as to pundits and media: as said, most likewise say Obama would do better against McCain; supposedly because Hillary polarizes. They also cite guessing-game-polls, pinnacles of unreliability, which by a hair speculate Obama stands the best chance to beat McCain.

The above said, let’s move to the crux of this writing: the crucial dilemma we face. It’s a pivotal question we just have to answer:

Should we pit:

A black against a white; or

A woman against a man?

Deciding that is like choosing between two dirt roads to a destination. One is appealingly straight and smooth. But somewhere along its path is embedded a hidden improvised-explosive device, an IPE. If we choose that route, we risk never arriving.

Or put it this way: We have in our parlor a two-headed hydra. One head is race and the other, gender. Right now we’re ignoring both, hoping neither will rear its ugly head. And if someone were to discuss the monsters and utter something the least bit controversial, wham: That person would be labeled a racist or sexist. No wonder the media holds its tongue on this crucial issue.

Nevertheless, this self-proclaimed pundit intrepidly will charge on.

First off is the black vs. white aspect, or Obama against McCain. The nagging question involved is: how much progress have we made in eliminating racial prejudice? Publicly, as shown by the caucuses, we’ve come a long way. Moreover, we’ve seen no ads playing race cards.

But this is a family struggle, democrat v. democrat. So far it’s been relatively amicable. In November, it will be all out war, against the enemy, the republicans. And for those guys, it will be no holds barred. Moreover, right wing radio-talk shows will pound us incessantly.

Remember, the 2006 senatorial campaign in Tennessee? The republicans or entities in their behalf, launched subtle, but vicious race cards repetitively on TV and radio against, Harold Ford, Jr., the black democratic candidate. He lost.

That shameful campaign, only 15 months or so ago, shows that in the 21st century racial prejudice still is alive. We see it regularly. To anyone who says not so, tell that to the black man who late at night has problems getting cabs to pick him up. Or consider how blacks are treated in the criminal justice system, how many compared to whites are sentenced to die, or have been wrongfully convicted.

So, in a contest between Obama and McCain, will it be decided strictly on the capabilities and character of the two, as well as on the economy, Iraq, need for change, security, et cetera? Or will prejudice rear up like it did in the 2006 Tennessee campaign?

Well, what argues it will, is that voting will be done secretly in booths. Those who harbor prejudice will be able to vent it with impunity and not have to worry about provoking disapproving grimaces from others, as is the case in caucus voting.

And if the monster does surface in November, it could be decisive. Sadly, this country is not yet sufficiently color blind. The republicans are counting on this reality. They think it will get them 8 more years in the White House, a 16 year domination. And among other not-good-for-America things, they can stack the Supreme Court for another 40 years or so with more Scalia, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas types.

All that said, how about gender-prejudice against Hillary? How does it stack up in comparison to racial prejudice?

In other words, which one is stronger, more formidable? Well, reality argues racial prejudice is the greater ogre. The terrible things cited above support this, especially, the disproportionately high percentage of blacks wrongly convicted and imprisoned or who get the death penalty.

In contrast, prejudice against women pales. These days, it amounts to: lower pay for equal work and glass ceilings. Also, some think women are less capable emotionally than men to make tough decisions.

So, there you have the analysis. And its conclusion argues racial prejudice would give McCain a real leg up on Obama. It would be enough that when combined with McCain’s likableness, brimming ingenuousness, prisoner of war-hero status, age-wisdom advantage, plus extensive experience, he’s likely to beat Obama.

But no doubt some will argue Obama would overcome those things. They say what would carry the day would be his positions on Iraq and need for change, along with his Messianic aura and talent to inspire and mesmerize with words. Well, to you, I say: Shamefully, the prejudiced are blind to pluses.

Bottom line: Because of racial prejudice’s menacing specter, Hillary is the far safer pick for us.

That said, it’s been tough here to have to bring out the disgraceful reality of racial prejudice. But if we choose to ignore it, like everyone seems to be doing, we could rack up another frustration. In 2000 we lost because of uncounted votes, questionable tallying, and a political decision by the Supreme Court. In 2004 Bush’s demagoguery did us in. And this year, if we don’t get real, as said, we could give those other guys a 16 year run, enough time to do oodles more bad things, like the one mentioned: put the Supreme Court into a 40 year pit.

So again, here’s the nitty gritty: We have to nominate the person with the best chance of winning. And to do that we cannot run away from a nasty reality by deluding ourselves that if we nominate a black person, it would not adversely influence November results, just because morally and legally it SHOULD NOT.

Hopefully, however, by 2016 that vile factor will have mollified so a black person would have an equal chance to win the presidency. By then, Obama will be only 54 years old. And then he will have what he so critically lacks today, sufficient experience.

Yes, in 2016, Obama should be ready for America and she for him. But today, neither is ready for the other.

Again, here’s the bottom line: For 2008, Hillary is the far safer pick.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:14 AM
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1. FYI, You would have lost me with your first sentence.
I'd capitalize "Democrat".
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:15 AM
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2. Let's not chose our candidate based on fears of racism or sexism.
How about that.
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melissalg Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:29 PM
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10. My vote is not based on fear of racism.
My vote is based on reality. Racism is reality. I refuse to delude myself into thinking that racism will not be a factor in this election just because Obama has made it this far.

In November, if Obama is our candidate, race will be a factor in those voting booths. Like Poomie said, in the privacy of the voting booth, those racist leanings will come out and spell victory for McCain. Like it or not, this is the world we live in.

Finally, someone tells it like it is. This is first time this ugly reality has been mentioned that I’ve ever seen or heard. I lurk here constantly and this is first poster to face it head on.

And if we disregard it, like most on this board appear to be doing, WE’RE GOING TO LOSE in November. We need to pick the best candidate that can WIN. Some of you are not even reading this courageous post. Do you want President McCain?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:26 PM
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11. The only way to change this, is to challenge it.
Obama has proven that Americans will vote for him, across the country. If Obama is our nominee it is up to us to work in every way we can to help him get elected.

The same goes for Clinton. Sexism is probably more prevalent than racism in this country. I believe the country is moving forward, and is changing. The racists and sexists will be left behind.
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poomie123 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:10 PM
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13. Dream on
Respectfully, I suggest you reread "Letter to Super Delegates" and study the indisputable facts stated therein about the racial prejudice that is still rampant today, e.g., in the criminal justice system.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:51 PM
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14. We'll see.
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poomie123 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:14 PM
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12. Thank you
Melissalg, I appreciate your support.

I just wish there were more like you, persons who will make decisions like this with logic instead of emotion. You obviously see the forest: the danger nine months from now of losing for the third straight time!
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:18 AM
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3. It's not just about the super delegates either!
Clinton Plans to Target Obama's Pledged Delegates - Feb. 19, 2008

Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign "intends to go after delegates whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she needs them to win the nomination," Roger Simon reports.

"This strategy was confirmed to me by a high-ranking Clinton official on Monday. And I am not talking about superdelegates, those 795 party big shots who are not pledged to anybody. I am talking about getting pledged delegates to switch sides."

The reason: "Pledged delegates are not really pledged at all, not even on the first ballot. This has been an open secret in the party for years, but it has never really mattered because there has almost always been a clear victor by the time the convention convened."
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:21 AM
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5. Here's the URL
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:19 AM
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4. Another child left behind
Poor grammar, split infinitives, Probably a freeper. Cya! #109 on the old ignore list.
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melissalg Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:04 PM
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15. Great way to disregard the post.
Have you even read it?

And, FTR -- most of us involved in politics know that "feepers" support Obama. They think he will lose to McCain. CYA ;)
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poomie123 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:35 PM
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16. You're talking about my grammar?
What you have written, some 15 words, doesn't even contain a sentence. You use no verbs.

And you criticize me?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:22 AM
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6. Hillary: "No we can't" and "Audacity to destroy Hope" - politics as usual
Hillary, the candidate of Same old same old.

Politics as usual.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:35 AM
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7. "Concerned Democrat"
Thanks for showing up now...
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poomie123 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:14 PM
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9. You're right.
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 12:16 PM by poomie123
But until just recently,this kind of a distasteful reality check, did not seem necessary. Who could have anticipated Obama would be where he is today, the front runner?

What's clear is that Republican cross-over votes have played a substantial role in his success, by giving him momentum, more elected delegates, and more $$ to outspend Hillary.

And today in Wisconsin's open primary, cross-over votes again will be a huge factor.

So, right now, things look bleak for Hillary and the Democratic party in November.

Hopefully, I'm all wet, and she pulls out a "New Hampshire."
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:46 AM
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8. The only voices that matter to the unpledged delegates are:
those actively involved in the Democratic Party.

They would be the precinct committee chairs and vice chairs

They would be the phone bank callers identifying supporters

They would be the canvassers doing voter registration and identifying supporters

They would be the county and district party officers

They would be the county, district and state convention delegates

They would be other party activists that assist the local party in other ways
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