Cult of Obama Will Turn Off Independents

[JKaiser]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/vaporous_obama_turns_off_many.html


This is what the GOP will talk about in the general election! I am serious about this.. I am not bringing up cult to piss obama people off. Don't you think this whole cult thing will be worse in General Election?? They are already talking about it now..

[Guava Jelly]

1. Not the independents I know.

Just sayen.

[GarbagemanLB]

2. Looking at her past articles, she rips on Obama all the time. Another Hillbot.

[rocktivity]

3. TORO TURD! The cult of Obama ARE independents

who see the "cult" of Obama as the figment of the corporate media's imagination that it is--especially with the cult of Hillary acting so much like the cult of Bush.

:headbang:
rocknation

[harun]

6. Cults are blind followers

Obama's extra support putting him over the top is Republicans and Independents seeing what he has to offer and joining with him. The antithesis of a cult, free thinkers who are doing what is right.

[themaguffin]

4. 1) please stop this "cult" bullshit 2) this group is as big as it is because he attracts indies

[Hepburn]

5. The independents I know...

...hate Hillary's guts.

Nice try, no cigar...

[Barack_America]

7. Actually Obama's strength among Independents has been GROWING...

...In the head-to-head polls against McCain. So if Independents are supposed to be turned off by Obama and his message, apparently they haven't gotten the memo.

[adabfree]

8. I'm a registered independent...so are two of my sisters...

we aren't turned off...at all

[billbuckhead]

16. Obama seems a disaster in the Atlanta suburbs

People just shake their heads in disgust when they hear his name. It seems many indies and liberal Republicans were resigned to Hillary winning and going back to the Clinton era but Obama is a scary proposition to most suburban whites. So many suburban whites who were apathetic about the next election are now becoming anti-Obama activists and have backslid into tuning in Boortz, Hannnity and Limbaugh for instructions.

[rodeodance]

29. those characters from the RW are in huge demand. But it is Obamacampers who

use RW sources her on DU for their sources.

[Yael]

31. Yeah, it is a shame that this cost him Georgia

[billbuckhead]

35. The Atlanta suburbs aren't much different than those across America

and this is where Obama's campaign will die. These people were either grudging vote Hillary or stay home and now will be energized by the threat of an unknown black guy with an Islamic name, supported by Hollywood liberals and god knows what else, coming to take their homes, retirements and ruin their families.

[Yael]

37. I graduated High School in the Atlanta suburbs

don't pretend to lecture me on the culture.

[billbuckhead]

62. You mean that you graduated from high school in the Atlanta suburbs.

I work in Cobb county now and have worked in Gwinnett county, Bartow county, Haralson county, Clayton county, DeKalb county, Fulton county, Forsyth county, Cherokee county and Manatee county in Florida. I now live in Fulton county and have lived in DeKalb county, Douglas county and Bartow county.

[Adelante]

43. That hardly seems likely

He won the Atlanta suburbs - 66% - as well as urban Atlanta - 76%. In Georgia overall, which he won 67%-31%, he took every income group and every education group and took the liberal vote, the moderate vote and the conservative vote. Hillary did do better than he among whites, but he did not do badly - 38% white Democrats and white Independents 46%. (Republicans didn't factor in since they only formed 4% of the vote.)

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#GADEM

[NOLALady]

56. Georgia suburban whites taking instructions from Limbaugh,

because they are afraid of Obama?

Shocking, I tell ya. Who woulda thunk it?

[billbuckhead]

63. What was shocking was that they were turning away from Limbaugh

but now are coming back for the latest kuturewar.

[RandomKoolzip]

9. Uh...no.

Independents and people who have been previously apathetic towards the political process are overwhelmingly embracing Obama with enthusiasm, which makes cynical and hardened observers deem their enthusiasm "cultish."

[Deep13]

10. The few I know are vacillating between HC and McCain.

All my inlaws voted for President Dumbass. In '06 they were sick of him and they all voted Democratic for the first time. Now some of there are going for McC and some are going for HC. I know this doesn't really prove anything about the general population.

[SoxFan]

11. Foolish

Obama has won the independent vote by a wide margin in every open or semi-open contest.

Sour grapes from Hillaryland.

[joeybee12]

12. I know quite a few Dems who will sit this out if BO is the nom...

...I'm still debating what I'll do.

and before you start not calling me a real Dem, let me remind you that that is the same bullshit tactic that Repukes were using against people who were against the Iraq war...they weren't real americans.

That said, this article is largely opinion, but it should be a concern, but the problem with Obama-ites is they brush off any criticism as not valid since they don't agree with it.

[iconoclastic cat]

28. Who cares if someone on a pathetic message board cries and says they'll sit out?

What possible impact on reality will that have? My advice: Say you won't vote. Or vote 3rd party. Or vote Republican. Whatever. Who the hell cares? In fact, in your case, I'd say it is in your best interest to find another hobby altogether. One that you enjoy and involves less overall whining.

[Occam Bandage]

13. So which is it? Is Obama's support only because of independents, or will he turn off independents?

[Yael]

32. Apparently both.

[ShortnFiery]

14. Sure, you betcha.

:eyes:

[displacedtexan]

15. I've never understood Independents.

Jim Hightower told me in 2003 that Independents want it all: guns & butter;
but they'll wait 'til the last minute to make up their minds, and it's usually
a single issue the week of the election that cinches it for them.

I said that just sounded stupid to me. Jim Hightower said, "Bingo!"

[iconoclastic cat]

22. Overly simplistic.

You cannot pigeonhole people who refuse to be categorized for such a wide variety of reasons.

[displacedtexan]

33. Do you know who Jim Hightower is?

He's famous for "simplifying" complicated issues.

[iconoclastic cat]

36. I have to admit I don't know the guy. nt

[Yael]

39. Psssst

Hes the father (for all intents and purposes) of liberal populism.

He endorsed Obama.

[iconoclastic cat]

40. So displacedtexan did some namedropping.

I really could not possibly care less who Jim Hightower is any more than you probably care who Venedict Erofeev is.

[Yael]

38. LOL!

Nice. :D

[iconoclastic cat]

42. Am I supposed to be impressed into compliance? nt

[displacedtexan]

51. I just thought you might want to google him and learn about him...

...if you didn't know who he is.

[iconoclastic cat]

54. Since I have some free time, I will. nt

[iconoclastic cat]

17. Hmm...low post count...no comments in body...conservative site linking...

What's that I smell?

[goldcanyonaz]

19. Umm, reality?

[iconoclastic cat]

20. Right. The reality of trolldom. nt

[rodeodance]

23. "What Democrats must understand is that their moderates now have another candidate to consider, I

think this is worth discussing.




......What Democrats must understand is that their moderates now have another candidate to consider. And this slice of the electorate is big enough and grumpy enough to swing a general election to John McCain.

[iconoclastic cat]

25. In other words, "Vote for Candidate X or I shoot this dog!"

I recommend auto-sodomy.

[rodeodance]

60. I see you do not want discussion. bye

[mod mom]

18. In my town, the Obama GOTV is being organized by an independent!

[TexasObserver]

21. It's so fresh. You realize that the cult thing only makes the Hillary fans look silly, don't you?

One more nail in the coffin of the worst run campaign in modern history.

[madrchsod]

24. this reallly is funny

"On the Democratic side, Clinton might prevail and thus offer a serious alternative to McCain."

so hillary should become a republican light!


"Or Obama might decide to get serious and apply critical thinking to real issues in a way that appeals to wonky centrists."

so obama playing around,can not think,and is`t a big hit with the "wonky centerists"!



wow that`s some critic of the democratic candidates

[rocktivity]

26. Here's where you can find a few more of Real Clear Politics

greatest hits (pieces).

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rocknation

[helderheid]

27. Cult. Fucking hell am I ever sick of that word.

[conscious evolution]

58. Can't blame you for hating it.

Such a nice word once upon a time.Originally meant to grow or tend to.
Now it is used in a slimy way to cast asparagus at someone when you cannot beat them on your own merits.
In other words it is a rightwing talking point being used to brainwash people into thinking they will be brainwashed into some thing sinister if they support the 'cult'.
Ironic no?

[Yael]

30. You stay in your happy place

We will wake you up when it is over.

:hi:

[DarienComp]

34. Dear Froma...

We changed our minds again! Instead of the "cult of personality" thing we're going to go with the "Obama is a plagiarist" thing. Hope you haven't sent your column in to the editors yet!

love,
the Hillary Campaign.

[cali]

41. It's just sad to see so many Clinton supporters

reduced to this kind of panic. There is no cult of Obama. There is a strong campaign with strong support. Obama's handling the cult stuff just fine, and there's no reason to think he can't handle it in the GE. No doubt either one of our guys will face a ton of slime, but that's to be expected, and doesn't indicate that either one of them won't be able to fight back successfully.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

44. They only people who think it's a cult are the HRC campaign and the GOP campaign

I don't see anyone else talking about a cult

[JKaiser]

45. Nobody is talking about it now because if they do Obama will lose the primary..

They are waiting for GE to use this scare tactic..

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. people aren't so stupid

they won't buy it in the GE either.

[JKaiser]

61. I don't know...

When the GOP starts to run aids on TV, more media coverage of the word cult, catchy slogans ( like when they made up the word flipflop for Kerry and then we say people dressed up like flipflops om MSNBC during debates) The GOP has lots of money and power they can do whatever they want.People are very impressionable... Look what it has done to the people on DU.. People hate the word cult and being associated with the a cult.. Voters would too..

[Rosa Luxemburg]

64. I think this would be a dead duck for the GOP

I guess Rove may be losing his touch?

[cali]

55. lol

everyone's talking about it. It's been all over the MSM, and the right wing has been on it like flies on shit. It's just not working.

[Arugula Latte]

46. Wow! OMG! I'm convinced we should nominate HIllary because SHE HAS NO NEGATIVES AT ALL!!!!!

:sarcasm:

[JKaiser]

47. I didn't say she didn't have any negatives... I just said Obama People ignore Obama's negatives..

[calmblueocean]

48. Hee hee! Now pull the other one.

I love this quote from that article:

One friend said he'd vote for the New York senator, and if she's not the candidate, then McCain. When I reminded him that he doesn't like Hillary, he shrugged. Another acquaintance e-mailed, "Hillary is to me extremely unlikable, but I do not regard likability as a qualification."

What a powerful Hillary endorsement!

[NOLALady]

49. If the Independents (or any other group)

would rather elect McCain, they will get the government they deserve.

They wil not have anyone (Obama or HRC cultists) to blame but themselves.

[endarkenment]

52. ZOMG! The Rightwing Smear Machine Is Going To Attack Us!!!!!1111!!!11

THIS IS HUGH IM SERIES!!111!1!1!1!

Perhaps we should run a unity ticket with McSame instead?

[Neshanic]

53. Yesterday at a meeting five independents who would vote for Hillary said they would not for Obama.

Two of the five leaned a bit republican, but no votes for him. McCain will get them.

[endarkenment]

59. And there are independents who wont vote for Clinton.

Such is life. I'm not exactly thrilled that we ended up with this choice, but it is the choice we ended up with. I'll support either candidate, and I actually think both of them can beat McSame.

[NashVegas]

57. I Don't Know ... This Stuff Didn't Hurt the GOP in 2000

Richmond Mayor L. Douglas Wilder predicted riots in the streets if the Clinton campaign were to overturn an Obama lead through the use of superdelegates.

Sound familiar?

[Obamaniac]

65. I can tell that he is turning off independents...

...every time he kicks Hillary's ass among them.

I really think the Hillary campaign, and her supporters, need new material. This whole "she's more electable" meme just isn't working.