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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:49 AM
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Polls for TX, OH, WI, PA -- visual representation of the trends.
The Texas and Wisconsin data are recent. The OH and PA polls are a week old.

Take from this what you will:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/










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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:51 AM
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1. This is the weirdest primary season I've ever seen. n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:55 AM
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2. Agreed. Generally, the polls have been horrible predictors.
Keeping that in mind AND realizing the bounciness of the Pennsylvania data, notice the latest polling point for Obama. The line was not drawn through that point because it currently is isolated. If the next polling point shows a similar trend, Obama will be looking at a very sharp upward trend.

But ... the polls suck, and PA voting is two weeks away. :shrug:
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:03 AM
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4. PA votes on April 22 - so Obama has plenty of time to campaign
here :hi:.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:05 AM
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6. PA voting isn't until April
I'm looking forward to finally voting in a presidential primary that counts for something.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:14 AM
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8. Feel free to wrap this up. Indiana is in May, and I'd be okay with being irrelevant...
... if it goes my way. ;)
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:01 AM
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3. Those are four very strange graphs
never mind the names or even what the data represents.

In two populations something dramatic happened just recently for the "orange" group, whereas in two other populations very little has changed.

So, what's up with Ohio, Pennsylvania V. Wisconsin and Texas?

Do people in OH and PA have something different in their populations than WI and TX?

Lack of mass communications?

One candidate or the other has or has not visited there yet?

What is the trigger that we see so clearly in WI and TX that causes the sharp uptick of the orange lines?

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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:43 AM
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16. My guess is that the bulk of the polls are rigged against Obama.
The pollsters sold Hillary as the frontrunner first. People had no information about Obama, and the democrats didn't believe much of the negative information about HRC as a candidate.

The polls only have to attest to their accuracy once: directly before an election, wherein the actual results will become available.

However, long before the accuracy of the results matters, polls have a chance to influence the elections.

I believe that most of the polls out there are being used first to influence the elections. It's only at the last minute that they need to change, because that's when their accuracy will come into question.

Obama is winning despite the initial polling results of almost every state, which seems to prove my hypothesis.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:51 AM
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20. interesting.... quite possibly true.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:11 PM
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23. No, I don't think that would be the case.
As I believe that the lines represent an average of a number of polls. And I believe that all four populations have the same polling organizations counted in the graphs (but it that isn't true, then there might be the difference!).

Hmmm. Now I need the data on how the graphs were created!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:04 AM
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5. It appears that Hillary may win PA and OH..
But TX may be an issue? Wisconsin looks like a tossup but the bad press for Obama in the last couple of days may give Clinton an edge there?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:28 AM
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11. Over 2 weeks left before Ohio too
Obama closes like a miler. We'll see but from what I understand is Hillary's need to win these states (Obama is taking Wisconsin) with numbers in the 60's Pennsylvania may come too late.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:32 AM
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14. "Obama closes like a miler." Oh, my. Spoken like a man who runs.
Obama has a miler's physique. I think you've hit the definitive sports analogy.

:yourock:
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:47 AM
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19. WI looks like a tossup? WTF? Well, we'll see tonight.... :)
:kick:
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:02 PM
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22. I think my state will disappoint you! nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:09 AM
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7. I'd put Obama ahead in Texas. The polls are skewed because they include a lobby group's numbers.
TCUL? Please!!

Since when do we use privately contracted push polls by Texas banking lobby groups?! The crap that gets reported and used without so much as one MSM wonk saying "who the fuck are these guys?!"

Wisconsin, probably right.

Penn probably right, but it's two months out.

Ohio, don't know, but it's two weeks out.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:16 AM
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9. Don't give up on Ohio-folks! In the turn out in GOTV organizing is any indication
those pollsters are in for a rude awakening!
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:21 AM
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10. Nicer slope line for Obama on all of those except PA.
Looks like Wisconsin, Texas, and maybe even Ohio will go for Barack. PA's much iffier--unless that expected bounce comes post TX.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:30 AM
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12. It's all hard to predict. But PA is two months away.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:45 AM
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17. He hasn't campaigned yet in PA. Give it time.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:55 AM
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21. I'm in PA and we're just getting fired up, baby!
Seriously. The campaign is officially here as of this past weekend and the events are being scheduled so fast and furious that I can no longer keep up. There is literally something going on every day of the week here in Philly. Here are my invitations for this week.

Tonight:
Primary watching party, organizing

Tomorrow:
GOTV opportunity in North Philly

Thursday:
Debate watching party

Friday:
Phonebanking to Ohio

Saturday:
Voter registration, campaign training

The number of opportunities has literally exploded in the past 2 days. I can't even imagine what it's going to be like after March 4. I'm starting to understand what Iowa must feel like! lol.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:31 AM
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13. If Hillary Loses Texas ...
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:32 AM
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15. The wreck of the Hilldenberg.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:45 AM
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18. In my PA town all you see are Obama bumper stickers...
Haven't seen a single Clinton sticker ~ though there are a few Ron Paul yard signs.
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I Vote In Pittsburgh Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:34 PM
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26. In Pittsburgh (Oakland area), there are few stickers
and not many people are talking about the elections yet. I predict that this is part of the reason PA hasn't turned toward Obama. When our primaries get closer, I expect the trend to look more like Texas.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:15 PM
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24. Wow! Survey USA has Obama within five of Clinton in TX!!
and he hasn't even really begun campaigining there yet.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:24 PM
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25. The fascinating aspect about these polling numbers in Hillary strongholds...
... is that about 2 weeks before the primary, the numbers take a sharp break upward for Obama every time. Sometimes he catches her, sometimes he doesn't. But the lead always narrows tremendously.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:41 PM
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27. Texas Resident & Celebrity Builder Endorses Obama


Bob held a press conference and told the media it's okay that Barack shares his positive message and vision; encourages Obama to continue to build on Yes We Can!
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