How many HIllary supporters still come here?

[AGirl]

I have lost interested in coming here and staying for long....this place is sick and full of hatred.

I know i will get alot of flames for this, but i am wondering if other hillary supporters feel the same? DO you want to stay here? How does this place make you feel? Do you stop coming here as much?

[Captain Hilts]

1. Yes. I like Obama too, but I can't take the crap against HRC. I'm told Kos is worse. nt

[AGirl]

3. I used to go to dailykos and here alot.

not anymore. I mostly stay on facebook.

[rodeodance]

25. selfish-----but wish you would visit more.

[niceypoo]

282. Obama's campaign is pretty much fueled by hate

Thats the irony of it all, it is polar opposite of his slogans.

[ronnykmarshall]

2. You're not alone

This place has gone from the septic tank right into the sewer.

I can imagine in the next few weeks it will reek even more.

[AGirl]

5. right, well. fuck this place. heh.

[Lerkfish]

4. ALL of them? (rimshot)

[Lilith Velkor]

302. And all three Gravel supporters

There are at least two of us left. :silly:

[robbedvoter]

6. I hear they attack McCain on Free Republic. maybe I am more lost than I think

I intend to wean myself completely of party politics. Coming here - should help the process just fine.

[lachattefolle]

7. Stopping by less and less every day. Pretty soon, not all at. n/t

[cosmik debris]

8. It is the internet forum equivalent to ethnic cleansing.

It is really not much fun unless you are in the majority.

[liberalnurse]

9. This Hillary supporter is here.

She is going to win the Nomination so I want the pleasure of telling the Obamarites.


"I told ya so, I told a so".

[AGirl]

that would be sweet. lol.

[Saturday]

43. Applause. n/t

[rodeodance]

59. ha----i want that sooooooo bad I can taste it!!

[golddigger]

61. I'm with ya liberalnurse. Proud Hillary supporter here. I will stay

and fight for her all the way to the convention. The Obama supporters will not make me crawl away.

[emilyg]

65. I'll join you.

Go Hillary.

[Nickster]

85. LOL, yeah, because that'll convince them to vote for your choice!

[surfermaw]

126. Right on

[LordJFT]

142. I'll remember that when Obama wins the nomination

So you guys can't pretend that poor Hillary's supporters would have been gracious if she'd won.

[juajen]

151. Yeah, me, too. I've been here a long time and the glitternuts

will not drive me away. They will influence my vote is HRC is not the nominee.

[Renew Deal]

10. You're part of the sick and full of hatred.

I saw what you said to someone earlier.

[Maven]

11. UNITY and HOPE!

[Name removed]

16. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[CyberPieHole]

12. I am not here as much...too many RW memes against Senator Clinton....

If Obama does get the nomination he has no need or use for our support. He and his CULT can do it alone.

[durrrty libby]

37. Hey CPH that BO pic is funny and creepy. Gack!!

:hi:

[CyberPieHole]

131. Hi durrrty libby...

the pic does show the "Messiah" complex of the Obama Cult. Hope you are doing well. Check your PM...I sent you a msg in a bottle.

:hi:

[libbygurl]

207. I feel the same way, have visited less, but am staying. Good pics! nt

[iconocrastic]

266. Is that a harmonica?

[rodeodance]

13. I am here. The vile is imcomprehensible. will stay for a while.

[theHandpuppet]

30. Same here.

But won't stick around much longer, I think. Was slapped upside the head with the cold hard truth that misogyny and homophobia are alive and well here. Just letting it all sink in for a while.

[Ano Genitus]

14. Plentee.

[Submariner]

15. "this place is sick and full of hatred" oops, I plagiarized

You should have seen us on DU in 2001 if you wanted to see hatred (Bush hatred that is).

[rodeodance]

20. WE ARE having discussion for Hillary supporters---drop your poop elsewhere.

[JTFrog]

197. They have a special forum at DU just for that. n/t

[robbedvoter]

32. I was here in 2001 - and this seems far worse - and less called for

It's what rankles me. DU started after a stolen election - went on after a second steal - yet Bush didn't get half of the venom Hillary gets here.

[Submariner]

125. Your probably right

DU felt more Liberal to me back then. It seems to me that we have a more just left-of-center members now, which may explain the ferocity.

[libbygurl]

244. Agree. I don't understand the over-the-top attacks directed at her here.

...from so-called 'Democrats'. You'd think she'd done worse things than all of W has done in his seven years of unmitigated disaster.

[donheld]

17. I have most of the hillaryshillary crap on ignore

thankfully

[LizW]

77. How do you get rid of it all?

I keep putting more and more on ignore, and it just keeps piling up.

[donheld]

94. I've put about 25 people on ignore in one week

It makes life more peaceful.

[TexasObserver]

18. Only about 40, but they each have 5 sock puppets.

[Captain Hilts]

83. If you can't be nice, act nice. nt

[TexasObserver]

118. Ok, Dookie. I'll make a note in my book of Dookie Wilson sayings.

MYOB.

[paulk]

275. sounds like you -

3,000 posts in less than 3 weeks.

[OHdem10]

19. Check by but do not stay as long.

[JKaiser]

21. I am a proud hillary supporter! GO Hillary!

[NMMNG]

22. I'm here, at least for the time being

If Obama goes to the GE, however, I'm out. This place will be literally unbearable then.

[rodeodance]

27. yes, if and when--i am outta here.

[NMMNG]

56. I can't blame you

It may be sooner for me if it gets too ugly in here.

[rodeodance]

60. yeah--but I am here to help the Lady:-)

[NMMNG]

67. Me too

Until it's clear there's nothing more we can do for her.

[avrdream]

78. I don't think there is much helping Hillary here.

I come here to Obama Underground just to piss on Obama threads, especially the ones that are asking for Obama supporters to check in. Those are the best ones to jump into - my masochistic tendencies are then fully realized!

[rodeodance]

97. ha ha--best to you----go get um

[krkaufman]

276. If you're trying to help Hillary, here is the last place you need to be.

DU is irrelevant in the scheme of things, I would think. How many minds can you change here, versus the real world, during an equal period of time?

[ronnykmarshall]

246. We'll see if I can stay out.

But that "purify the party" post yesterday pretty much sums up the tone around here.

It's real hard for me to "come together" and get on the "unity" train.

Never in my life have I wanted a candidate to win like I do with Hillary. I just can't get excited about Obama. He doesn't inspire me one bit.

[theHandpuppet]

31. Is there a refugees forum?

We'll need the equivalent of a tent city.

[rodeodance]

34. chuckle.

[LostinVA]

38. Yup

[NMMNG]

42. Yet another "Uniter" who has done nothing but divide

I'm envisioning another nightmare ahead of us.

[LostinVA]

52. I'm getting mentally ready for

President McCain, and trying to get Haruka an EU passport -- there's a huge amount of red tape. Not saying I'm leaving, just saying I want to be ready.

And, even though I'm not a Dem, I've always voted for and supported the Dems. It's getting very hard to do that anymore.

[NMMNG]

55. I've always voted for and supported the Dems

because I always felt they supported my ideals. Not any longer. I think it's about time for us to start seeing other people.

[LostinVA]

69. I'm an INFJ

And, one of our "faults" is trying to save relationships long after the time for saving them is gone.

:sigh:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

104. What does the "F" stand for?

I'm an INTJ. :hi:

[LostinVA]

200. It stands for

Fuckingfantastic!!!!

You're really close, sweetums.

[Sapphocrat]

156. LOL!

Do I ever hear that, fellow INFJ!

[LostinVA]

199. hehehehehe

I forgot you were one, too!

[Iceburg]

53. Still here, but I have my hand firmly on my rip cord -- ready to bail/nt

[NMMNG]

57. I hear you

Sometimes the abuse obscene.

[libbygurl]

242. Well, me, too.

Wonder how they'll like their nice, big echo chamber filled with threads glorifying their saintly O.

I will be gone from DU as well if and when that happens. No support from me. Not that they need my support or dime, at any rate - they've got all the people they need thank you very much, to hear them tell it.

[billyoc]

23. They all do.

Oh, shit, I PLAGIARIZED lerkfish!

:scared:

[littlebit]

24. I am still here

I am on here everyday and I don't plan on leaving anytime soon. I just take everything with a grain of salt. Everyone has an opinion and I have never felt that they should be the same as mine. So what's the point of getting upset by it. I enjoy coming here. Always have and always will.

[Cameron27]

26. I come here much less than I used to,

it's just not worth getting upset with the haters. It's not like anyone outside of DU is going to be swayed either way by what's posted here, so until I can get back to work, I've taken up watercolors. I'm not very good, but at least I'm relaxed. :-)

[TheDebbieDee]

28. Go Hillary !

I'm still supporting her! I'm very proud of her for hanging in there. Some woman had to be the first SERIOUS candidate for the US Presidential office and I'm glad it is her. (I hope she can still pull this one out of the fire!)

However, I had NO idea that sexism is still as alive and as healthy as it has shown itself to be.

[judaspriestess]

29. I still comeby but it really is a turn off being called names

if you are not sucking up to Obama. its stupid really.

[krkaufman]

279. "it really is a turn-off being called names"

Like, say, any of the following, all found within this single thread...

• Obamacons
  
• Obamarites
  
• Obama Cult
  
• Obamaniacs
  
• Obama-Bot
  
• ObamaNation

And perhaps the most ironic statement in this thread, given its premise...

• I come here to Obama Underground just to piss on Obama threads, especially the ones that are asking for Obama supporters to check in. (link)

This message brought to you by the IronyCheck2008, automating the job of culling irony off DU, so you don't have to...

[ClintonTyree]

33. Less and less each day....

I might check in once a day now. Way too much "Hillary hate" going one from the "good democrats" of the Obama faction.

[hillary]

72. Same here

after a horrible experience at Nebraska's first ever Democratic Caucus I am trying to avoid getting run over by the Obama bandwagon

[juajen]

154. I didn't hear about this. What happened?

I'm really interested in knowing because I keep getting tidbits of how Obama's people bully at caucuses. Was that it?

[murielm99]

188. I'd like to know, too.

I have heard about the bullying from a couple of people.

[hillary]

306. Very frustrating

Went with my 2 college age daughters who had just met Chelsea Clinton on their campus 2 day prior to the caucus. We were all excited about being a part of history. For the first time as a NE democrat, our votes might matter!

The Hillary side had a person who had been on the phone the night before with the Hillary campaign. He told us we would all get a chance to speak, we were to keep it short, and keep it positive about Hillary, no negatives toward the Obama side.

Our guy gets up and speaks to the Obama side, takes questions from the Obama side. That side of the room was extremely passionate and uninformed, lots of outbursts when our speaker was in front of them.

Then it was the Obama sides turn to address the Hillary side, some yahoo in an orange had who had voted for Bush......twice!!........got up and spoke, to the OBAMA SIDE! Nothing but Clinton bashing, no information on why anyone should vote for Obama. Took questions from the OBAMA side only!!! And they weren't questions, they were just rants about the Clintons!

The whole thing turned into an Obama rally, it was disgusting, not one person on our side of the room got to speak. The other side of the room didn't seem to know any of the rules, nor did they care, they were yelling and interrupting the entire time.


People on the Hillary side got up and walked out before the counting started, one older man said it was just a bunch of republicans voting for Obama in the primary, so they could vote McCain in November.

I think it is great that young ppl are getting involved, but they need to be INFORMED.

I was an Edwards backer, once he was out, I weighed my options and knew that Hillary was the smarter choice.

[Rock_Garden]

35. Like Hillary herself, I'm a very patient person.

I still have faith that she will win the nomination. And I still come here and still like to come here occasionally, but I very seldom post these days. After Hillary wins the nomination, it will be against DU rules for people to post trash about her. Sweet.

[LostinVA]

36. Not as much as I used to, and it's disturbing to come here any more

Look at the threads -- MANY HRC supporters no longer come here because of the hateful attacks and personal insults... I'm a troll, I'm a racist, I'm a HOMOPHOBE, I support genocide, etc. RW memes. Calling for dissenetrs to be eliminated. I know many, many posters who no longer venture in here, or only post in threads on certain subjects (ie gay rights).


This is more than just primary fighting.

[kwassa]

39. I find this forum extremely funny.

That said, I only take it in small doses.

Most of the criticisms on BOTH sides are about trivialities. Heated, endless arguments about trivialities.

says this Hillary supporter.

[ZombieHorde]

109. about trivialities

Absolutely correct.

Compared to the Republican candidates, all of the Democratic candidates are pretty similar in values and direction in which to take this country.

It seems like a majority of the threads in GD:P are people foaming at the mouth over some extremely trivial things.

Minor flaws are brought up over and over again just to provoke ill feelings. Many of the posters do want want you to be happy, they want you to feel unhappy. Why is this? It is certainly not out concern for their fellow citizens, nor anyone else.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. I'm pretty tough skinned and a pretty good scraper....I had 5 brothers, but, this place is hell

[rodeodance]

i have 5 sisters---they were worse than my 4 brothers growing up --te he

[Iceburg]

230. Rodeo -- LOL -- I have 5 sisters & 3 brothers ...ya got me beat/nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

41. i pop by every once in a while but i have a low tolerance for the 4/5th rules bullies

so i dont stay very long

[niyad]

44. the virulent hatred and sexism of many on these boards reminds me of another site,

and sickens me just as much.

that kind of vitriol should be reserved for the repukes, as far as I am concerned.

[Maven]

45. Still here, but not as often since the "invasion"

After a while it gets tiresome to argue with the same people. Willful ignorance and limitless free time are, for some, a maddening combination.

[rodeodance]

58. you are right---it the same ones--like a few who pooped on this thread--day after day

[UALRBSofL]

80. rodeodance I left AOL to come here for the nastiness

But now all of the sudden it has become so much like AOL with the Hillary smears. Why would someone want to come to a site that mostly what you read is your candidate getting smeared? Sadly. :-(

[rodeodance]

98. it seems to be getting worse by the week. i wonder myself sometimes. ---i will

stick it out for a while--hope to see you around--as I do:-)

[Dinger]

46. I Do

God, this place is worse than the 2004 primaries. Bad, very bad memories. Sad to say.

[displacedtexan]

47. I check in several times each day, when I'm not working.

It was bad in 2004 (I was an early Kerry supporter), but it
does seem worse this time.

This bitterness will pass, and DU will get back to normal-- whatever that is.

[Horse with no Name]

143. I don't think so

There is an underlying ugliness that won't go away after this primary battle is fought.
The TRUTH is gone from here, nobody cares about it as long as their candidate is winning.

[libertee]

48. For better or worse ..it had better be HRC because McCain will win

if it isn't...BO will not withstand the dirty politics that always happens in GE.

[rodeodance]

63. yes.

[Saturday]

49. I come just to make sure the cult is not lying dead with ...

Kool Aid cups on the ground next to them. Then I laugh at them and go back to the real world where most think Obama is NOT the Savior.

[jillan]

50. You are not alone.

[UALRBSofL]

51. AGirl I Feel Your Pain

:crazy:

[murielm99]

54. I still come here.

But I am not so sure that this is the DEMOCRATICunderground any more.

Even some of the long-term posters have turned into people I don't recognize.

I might not come here at all if Obama gets the nomination. I will work hard for our state and local candidates, and of course vote for Obama.

This place used to be a good resource. It is a shame to see it taken over by people who do not know how to debate. They would prefer to call names.

I am not convinced that all of them are Democrats. I still have some hope that my party is better than that.

[Maribelle]

90. The extreme vile against Hillary and Bill is not even worth the push back anymore, it is so low.

But the upside of this is I am glad they have taken Obama's side, for the most part. They truly are clueless regarding the issues, even those that attempt to present a coherent argument seem to lack an objective view of the few issues presented by Obama.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

62. It's sad to see how much hatred there is towards the Clintons....

I'm not a big Hillary fan but it's really sad to see how people can just turn on someone so quickly.

[murielm99]

100. I thought it was interesting the way they turned on

some of our liberal icons and other Clinton supporters: Joe Wilson, Maya Angelou, and even Elizabeth Edwards!

Bush already stifles dissent. I cannot imagine more of that for our future.

I don't know about some of the rest of you, but I am a lifelong, active Democrat. I am one of the people who has worked hard to hold the party together through tough times, and in a very red area. I know that this is only a message board, but I see it elsewhere, too. It is not good for our party.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

147. There's some major cognitive dissonance - when the message doesn't fit

they will MAKE it fit by rationalizing. The information is a lie, the person providing the info or opinion is a "bad" person. Anything so that they don't have to face it.

[jackson_dem]

292. Yup. They also act as if Obama has no record. They can never say he was wrong on a political issue

[jillan]

158. I agree about our icons - especially Joe Wilson.

They ripped apart the first person to call bush a liar on Iraq.

You know they are suffering from a kool-aid overdose when they do that....

and also saying that Bill Clinton was the worst President. hello?

[shaniqua6392]

191. That is when I knew I could not support Obama.

I was seeing pro-Obama quotes from Faux News, Dick Morris, etc. Add that to the horrible criticism of Bill Clinton and his Presidency, and I knew there was no substance to him. If they have to dredge the bottom of the barrel to come up with something, I don't want anything to do with it. Obama is just blowing sunshine up their butts and they just can not see it. I don't know how many times I have seen someone in the media ask and Obama supporter to name some of his legislative victories and they just can not come up with anything. This happened again yesterday on Hardball where Matthews asked this of a guest who could not answer and just stumbled incoherently. This is the most important decision we will make in this country and I just wish we asked more of these politicians.

[libbygurl]

258. What? These O supporters have also turned on Elizabeth Edwards?

That is the lowest! Elizabeth's classiness and courage was a major reason why I liked John, even way back in the 2004 fiasco, and if John and Hillary were the two contenders, I would be really in a bind as to whom to support!

Do you have a link showing where they actually trashed Elizabeth Edwards here? I recall DU sending flowers/messages of support to her in 04, when she first got the diagnosis of breast cancer.

[murielm99]

265. Does anyone else remember that thread?

It was quite long. I think the subject was John Edwards endorsing or not endorsing.

I think it was yesterday. Obviously, I did not bookmark it. Yech!

[jackson_dem]

293. Yes

After the plagiarism story broke someone posted a thread about Elizabeth Edwards calling Obama a copycat from the summer and the Obamites savaged her. They even attacked Krugman the other day for an article he wrote about poverty without even bothering to read the article! I bookmarked that thread because it is the best example of the cultish nature of much of Obamanation. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4661599

[Mike03]

64. I like them both, although I'm leaning towards Obama

Nevertheless, the behavior of some of his supporters is obnoxious and probably destructive to his campaign. I've noticed that with some of his supporters--who voted for Bill Clinton--Clinton is suddenly one of the worst presidents ever and his wife was a disgrace for not divorcing him for the Lewinsky matter. It's all revisionist horseshit.

Kick and Rec, because I agree with your point of view.

[Mike03]

66. To the Greatest Page you go! NT

[End Of The Road]

68. I'm here but rarely respond to posts.

There is very little "reason" left here. Just emotion and irrationality.

[Lucinda]

70. I'm still here...but I avoid the worst of the garbage since

I have a lot of the worst offenders, on both sides, in "time out"...
Life is too short, and my health is too bad to subject myself to all the venom.

[musicblind]

71. I used to read these boards a lot more than I do now

I really loved them, they were addicting. But whoever said that this was the internet's version of "ethnic cleansing" is dead on. Obama supporters make this board a place that is unbearable for anyone else. Edwards supporters did not do this, Kucinich supporters did not do this, Richardson supporters did not do this, Obama supporters did. They are tearing the party about, and they will be responsible for McCain in the White House in 2009. I will vote for Obama, I will support him, campaign for him, and donate to him if he is the nominee. However, no one can undo the damage the Obama supporters are doing to our party... and they will cause us to lose. It will be on their heads. I used to be nice, and polite to everyone on here. Constantly calling for peace. But it has become harder and harder to hold my tounge. I am still trying.

[juajen]

157. I stopped trying to hold my tongue because I don't believe they're dems.

NT

[libbygurl]

271. Exactly. DU has most certainly been infiltrated by moles stirring up vile trouble, dividing us all.

That's the grand plan, and it sure is working on a lot of Dems, too, no? Or at least I think some of the O supporters might be real Dems.

[ExtraGriz]

73. mostly a lurker

but i havent been lurking as much, the anti hillary garbage is way too much for me to digest...if this is how obama is leading his supporters, i want no part of it.

[dionysus]

74. you've contributed a lot to the atmosphere here. are you really that blind?

the hypocrisy of you guys is astounding.

[rodeodance]

129. the OP said Hillary supporters. your ugly comments are not welcome

[dionysus]

224. it's a free country. here's your banky

[Alexander]

312. Why don't you cry some more about your fake outrage?

[LostinVA]

AGirl has not been a disruptive poster at all

[LostinVA]

201. AGirl has not been a disruptive poster at all

[Alexander]

313. Right. And the sky is purple.

I feel like I'm seeing double.

[NorthernSpy]

75. "this place is sick and full of hatred" -- LOL!

You wouldn't happen to have some small bit of ownership in the current state of affairs, would you now?

[anamnua]

76. Slug it out

Let's take a leaf out of our heroine's book , stay in the field of battle and slug it out.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

79. Judging from the amount of replies from "Ignored"

I would say the Hillary community in DU is alive and kicking.

[musicblind]

81. Using "ignore" is childish

I have never ignored a single Obama poster, no matter how vile. I don't use it because it the same as telling someone their opinion doesn't matter and doesn't deserve to be heard.

[donheld]

84. Some of the Hillary crowd

seem to like to hear other opinions only if to bully them for those opinions. Ignore is by no means childish. It's sanity.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

86. I respectfully disagree

I only ignore the vile Hillary posters. I'm not fond of reading things such as "Obama was handed everything in life on a silver platter" (someone actually made a thread on this yesterday). At the very least, using ignore saves me time.

[Stand and Fight]

91. I feel the same way....

You can't do it in real life, and I refuse to do it here. I see it as a way of avoiding the reality that not everyone agrees with us.

[Umbram]

234. The only thing more childish is making a big deal about

how many people one has on ignore or the typical "Oh, look - IGNORE is talking again."

It is the equivalent of putting one's hands over their ears and going "Nanana, I can't hear you."

Childishness at its absolute worst.

[NMMNG]

170. Gee, just the other day you said there weren't any of us around

It appears you were mistaken. :hi:

[halobeam]

82. I like and dislike certain things about each of them.

I'll support the nom. for the GE, which is all I "know" right now. I'm traveling around DU, clicking on most threads that are not bashing. A thread like this, I'll pop into once in a blue moon, just to see how everyone is doing. I'm spending more time in DU lounge than I used to and I just picked up a book from the library.

I wish I felt passion for one of the two candidates, I miss that. I keep reading about their policies to see if I can get behind one or the another, but so far.. no luck.

[walkingdude]

88. Leaving DU

I agree with you, I may check on this forum from time to time, but as a regular visitor, I am done. If I want to hear a bunch of hate and lies about the Clintons I can listen to Rush or Hannity I don't need it here. bye

[rodeodance]

99. gosh. So sad it was so bad for you. really. i see you are a newgie--term used

with affection-in your case. i stay cause??

come see us once in while if you have a good post on Hillary. ok.
best
rd

[greguganus]

107. I will miss all your posts. n/t

[halobeam]

121. lol

:rofl: gotta say that was funny!

I did see he/she was here for a few years though. The reading here is "usually" excellent! It's just crazy right now.

[NoPasaran]

87. I still come here but rather than posting I mostly put people on Ignore

Trouble is, no matter how many of the Ocultists I Ignore, there are always more of them.

Oh well, there's serious work to do here now. Just half a month to prepare a little San Jacinto action for our arrogant and numberless opponents.

[LadyVT]

89. Yep, me, too. WAY less.

[Stand and Fight]

92. I still come here, but something has changed...

I am losing a lot of respect for people who seem more driven by emotion and hatred than by reason. I am seriously considering that if Obama wins the nomination, I may very well cease even visiting DU. There are other decisions I will have to make, but I shan't go into them here because I don't want to argue with anyone.

You're not alone. This place has become very much an echo of right-wing talking points and hysteria. I cannot see fit to visit FreeRepublic -- shall the same come to pass for DU? I hope not, but it is not at all a distant improbability anymore.

[BlackVelvet04]

93. I'm still here.....

I used to be one of a handful of posters on an otherwise rightwing site. I developed pretty thick skin. I was stalked by a couple of those nut cases so this is still fairly tame in comparison.

On another forum where I'm an admin we aren't even discussing the democratic primaries.

[rug]

95. I spend my life surrounded by idiots. Why should this be different?

[tandem5]

96. yeah I don't know why I bother coming here - sick compulsion I suppose nt

[Raffi Ella]

101. I'm still here.

:hi: You gotta toughen up and have some faith.I know it seems like doomsday here/in the msm for Hillary but Primaries are tough.Hillary is tough too.And this is going to work itself out,somehow.

I have all the faith in the world she will pull this nomination out and we will elect her in November.

And you know what else?I paid my freakin dues,I'm a contributing member and I have as much right to post here as Obama Nation does.

If it helps don't spend as much time here(I don't spend as much time as I used to either) but don't leave the Hillary Supporters hangin' here in GD P.We need all the support we can get here at "Obama Underground".

[rodeodance]

102. hey-somebody has to give this ObamaUndergroud a smackdown!

[MethuenProgressive]

103. Put about 7 certain DUbamas on ignore and it smells lots better.

:hi:

[IdClaire]

105. I'm here..

newly delurking and the more negative tone is a bummer.

[Name removed]

106. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Topaz08]

108. I stil come here and lurk around

I'm not much on posting but I have to say I can't believe how much Hillary is hated. WOW!. If Obama wins, I hope he's everything they hope he is and more. I just wish is was all over with:-)

[ZombieHorde]

111. Why do you think this is happening?

[judaspriestess]

175. tell us how you really feel

:spray:

You are spot on OMC

[BootinUp]

110. Mostly a lurker at this point, and not much of that.

I have to agree with your assessment of this forum. At times it can be quite depressing. I only wish the campaign had been more about issues. It just doesn't seem kosher for Democrats to question each others character. I will say this now for the record: It was Obama and Edwards that started questioning a Dem nominees character and validated the bloggers who push this line. And anyone who disagrees can kiss my ass and go check the November MSNBC debate transcript from Philly.


;)

[Beacool]

112. I only come here once in a while.

The only thing that this election season has done for me is make me decide for the first time in my adult life that I will NOT vote automatically for the Democratic nominee. If Hillary is not somewhere in the ticket in November, I'm staying home. I had enough of the personal destruction that she has been subjected to by everyone from the media down. Therefore, fuck it!!! I don't care anymore, let the chips fall where they may......


:shrug:

[DemGa]

113. I stay here and show support - not letting that empty "movement" run me off

How does it make me feel? I'm disgusted and shocked that people have been fooled by the charlatan Obama -- I'm utterly astonished at the naivete.

[MoonRiver]

114. I check the board once or twice a day.

But like you I'm quickly out of here. I think this board has become so toxic it borders on being psychologically dangerous for participants.

[demo dutch]

115. No longer a conversation for the good.People forget the far left will lose just like the far right !

This country is in the middle, and it's just not going to happen!

[mtnsnake]

116. yeaahhhhHHHH baaaby!!!

Good post AGirl. Right on the money and don't let any assholes tell you any different. Most of them are just creeps who have nothing better to do than infest Democratic boards for the purpose of going after the Clintons because Bill Clinton kicked George H Bush's ass in the 90's. You've also got a number of people who are here spreading the seeds of hatred simply because they're bitter and want everyone else to be bitter, too, just like them. Don't let 'em ever push you around.

K&R! :evilgrin:

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

117. You're able make that assessment after just five weeks?

I'm impressed!

[whatchamacallit]

119. "This place is shit and not worth my time... I'll be back tomorrow to say it again..."

:eyes:

[LisaM]

120. It's tough.

I still come here and try to root for her, but it is very difficult.

[Hoof Hearted]

122. I've determined to limit my exposure. All the hate in here gets into you.

So much for the audacity of hope. Too many of them are just infected with hate.

[Mark Twain Girl]

123. I've found that I feel at home with Hillary supporters, as an Edwards person

I was/am an Edwards supporter, and I've found myself gravitating more and more towards the Hillary people. It's been very natural. On threads about "old school" feminism (old school feminists are my heroes!) and LGBT rights, I find myself listening to a core of Hillary supporters. I've also found myself very turned off the ugly, over the top attacks on Clinton, which backfired with me. I have reservations about the Obama campaign, and that only reinforces the feeling.

I feel sad when I hear Hillary supporters say that they have stopped coming as much to DU (and I've noticed that) or that they may reassess their involvement. I understand why that would be, but it's a sad thought.

In any case, props to the Hillary supporters here. You're strong -- you have to be! :patriot:

[rodeodance]

128. Thats a very nice thing to say. Thank you. I think that

our numbers are dwindling. the brutal attacks by the other camp is taking its toll I fear.

[AGirl]

132. yup.. this place is absolutely awful..

[jackson_dem]

294. Yup

Obamites are shouting down any dissent like rabid dogs. They want to enforce doctrinaire orthodoxy on St. Obama and they are succeeding in this.

[juajen]

162. I'm glad. Maybe it's because we love him and his family.

I wish they would come back some time. Do you think he will be in a cabinet, or maybe it will be Elizabeth? Wouldn't that be great? What the White House needs is more women. Yeah.

[LostinVA]

203. You;re a terrific DU GLBT ally

:pals:

[bvar22]

124. Try to find a Pro-WAR / Anti-LABOR website.

You'll find more Hillary supporters there.

DemocraticUnderground is a site for "Liberals and Progressives", so naturally, support for a conservative Democrat will be negligible.

[mtnsnake]

134. You should find a site for Biggest Assholes of America

You'll find more people who share your views there. Hope that helps...

[jackson_dem]

295. So why is the most conservative Democrat getting 80% support on DU?

[Sapphocrat]

127. I've explained it before, but in short...

...as soon as Obama gets the nom (and I have long been convinced he WILL get the nom), I'm gone -- in part because the glee with which salt will be ground into our open wounds will be unbearable, and in large part because this whole ugly experience has shown me there's really no place for me in the mythical "big tent" any longer, at least not on the national level.

It doesn't take more than a few hundred thousand hits over the head with a hammer before I understand I'm neither needed nor welcome in the New New Democratic Party. There are other causes where not only are my efforts needed, and my presence welcomed, but where I will see real, measurable results of my work, and about which I can feel much better about myself than continuing to engage in this... whatever it is we have here.

I often think of what they say about the wisdom of wrestling with a pig in the mud: You won't win, you'll just get dirty, and the pig enjoys it too much.

[Horse with no Name]

146. I agree

First of all my support for a Gore presidency was ridiculed.
Then my support for Kucinich was ridiculed.
Then my support for Edwards was ridiculed.
I am now considered a left wing radical for wanting what USED to be our party platform and what USED to be a DU idealogy.
I barely fit here now...when obama wins (and I think he will), I won't fit.
The reason I came here was because of 3 little words that I kept hearing at the other place I posted...
"Get Over It".
I'm already hearing that whispered. I'll not be around when it is said at threshold.

[ProgressIn2008]

148. I agree too - it shouldn't be radical to want what we're supposed to stand for

Out of curiosity, what are you being told to "get over"? Impeachment/accountability? Universal health care? That kind of thing?

Good grief, I feel like we'll need a community for the exiles. Maybe pitch a few tents.

[CarolNYC]

130. I agree...

I rarely come here any more...It's toxic and I've really no time for the viciousness and hatred. I've found myself spending whatever time I used to spend here for the most part elsewhere...I don't miss this place, either. It's just plain out sucked for some time now. To bad.

[LadyVT]

133. Does anybody else feel like...

they've landed in Germany in the late 30s? I cannot believe the lack of critical thinking, the tribalism, the splitting the self and the "enemy" into good and evil, king and witch. I feel like I'm in a mental hospital, and as a psychologist, that is pretty concerning to me about what is going on in this country-- mass hysteria? It is beginning to feel that way to me, especially when I visit here. Germany had just lost a war. Germany's economy was in much worse shape than ours. Hitler came along and gave the German people a reason to feel proud--of simply being themselves. I'm NOT saying Obama is Hitler at all, or that we'll end up with genocide here. I'm saying that the collective hysteria mounting in this country should be giving the Party and the government as a whole, pause. (I am aware there are several thoughtful, well-considered Obama supporters, but they seem to be far in the minority here, and on my college campus.)

This is beginning to scare the heck out of me, and this is appropriate fear, because a non-questioning, non-curious electorate is so easy to manipulate. We saw this just before the Iraq war, as well, this tribalism, and splitting into good and evil. It speaks to the unwillingness of individuals to take a good, hard look at their own dark sides, to be willing to project their own dark side in whole cloth onto the "enemy" and then to seek to destroy that "enemy" (which never works).

[mtnsnake]

136. Yup, it's very scary

and worthy of great concern. Plus it just makes one wonder WTF is really going on. The arrogance is overwhelming.

[rodeodance]

152. yes, i have said it reminds me of the run-up to the war. Unquestioning, slamming down

if there is opposition, name calling. ect ect.

[Sapphocrat]

192. It's deja vu all over again.

It's 8:45 a.m., September 10, 2001.

[NMMNG]

193. I don't know exactly what we're in for

I just know it isn't the Promised Land a lot of people seem to think it is. And when the shit hits the fan.....

[LostinVA]

205. Yesterday, there was talk about "eliminating" opposition if BHO becomes President

DEMOCRATIC PARTY opposition. The Night of the Long Knives.

It's very scary, very intimidating to many people, and very against what I belief this nation stands for.

[libbygurl]

222. One need only look back more recently, to the run-up to the Iraq War...

...to feel a similar bandwagon, non-critical thinking kind of atmosphere that marginalises anyone else who disagrees with the very vocal and vicious majority here on DU and in the media.

Yes, the atmosphere here and everywhere on the media does make me sick, and I feel like I'm living in an alternate universe with regard to the primaries. It's like I landed in the Free Republic Planet when I come to DU anymore.

[krabigirl]

263. It reminds me of the post-9/11 time and the build-up to the Iraq War.

You must not question anything! scary.

[nonconformist]

268. That's exactly what it reminds me of, too.

All the media hype, the "you're either with us or against us" mentality, people you thought you knew becoming strangers, and even the slightest criticism met with screaming rage and deflection.

It's all so strange.

[elixir]

135. NO, I don't like it here either but I haven't found anywhere else to go. TPM, Kos all hate her.

[Robeson]

137. There are plenty of Clinton supporters here. And they give as good as...

...they get.

[juajen]

163. I certainly like to think so. Thanks for that for all us fighters.

NT

[incapsulated]

138. I just lurk, occasionally, now

I pretty much gave up on this forum, it's hopeless.

[Mark Twain Girl]

139. Good god, after tonight, wading through the posts, I want to stay here

and not move for a few minutes. WTH?

[rodeodance]

149. i am with you on that one.

[AGirl]

169. this is the "safe zone"

[Asia Expat]

140. I am stunned

DU and other leftwing sites were a refuge (for me) from the corporate media bullshit. Now the bullshit is here too.

I feel like I am in a perpetual nightmare now. All this hate when we are supposed to be for the same thing. Where are we headed?

[Beacool]

141. Where are we headed?

We are headed to a civil war within the party and a potential McCain presidency. A divided party will benefit the Republicans. Obama is enjoying a honeymoon with the media right now, but let's see how long it lasts once he's the nominee.

[TriMetFan]

145. Yep his honeymoon is way to soon.

If Obama gets the nom. I have a feeling that all hell will break against him. And yes a divided party will help McCain.

[jillan]

161. I am so afraid

Obama is going to blow it in the GE.

[TriMetFan]

173. My spouse just told me tonight that if Hillary lost.....

the nom. to Obama that she would vote for him even thou she knows deep in her heart that McCain will beat him in the GE and not by a little but a lot. I told her that this ex-Goldwater Republican type, Independent then Democratic will vote for the Green Party if Cynthia McKinney is their nom or I will not vote at all for the first time in my life. Will my spouse was not to happy with that, but she respect how I feel, since she knows how hard I have campaigned for the Democratic noms. since 1988. I just can't vote for some one that doesn't really want to unite the Democratic Party.

[LadyVT]

180. whoops--wrong place

[juajen]

164. I believe we are playng right into their hands.

Remember, they take your greatest strength and use it against you. It's Karl Rove's strategy. Like MoveOn.org.; Like Kerry and his military service; Gore and his intelligence; now the Clintons and their good relations with minorities and the dem party. Lastly, us, finally invaded and not fending off the invasion very well. That's why I continue to fight, but I honestly do not know what good it does.

Should we appeal to Skinner for help. I do think he would help, even if he supports Obama. He cannot like his board going to hell in a hand basket. I miss all of the other candidate's supporters. I loved it when we were all together. It seems to me they had a harder time making inroads then.

BTW, I have no idea who Skinner supports, and it is none of my business. I still trust him.

[CyberPieHole]

144. Say hello to President McCain...

that's where we are headed if Obama gets the nod.

[Asia Expat]

150. I'm afraid to say it but

I totally agree with you.

With Hillary gone, both barrels will be pointed at Obama.

Then the doubts come. Then the complacency. Then McCain.

[rodeodance]

153. --agree---but --not quite yet ok:-)

[Asia Expat]

155. Or maybe

Somebody will put giant pods next to our beds tonight

[LostinVA]

206. Yup

[HughMoran]

256. "Now the (corporate media) bullshit is here too."

I agree 1000% - this place has become shameless and no better than the MSM with the hateful and deceitful rhetoric being spewed.

[smalll]

159. We're still here. There's two weeks left until Texas and Ohio --

Two weeks left for the Democratic Party to come to its senses and pick a nominee of its own, rather than continue along the current hype-addled path towards awarding our nomination to a random "post-partisan" caesarist who'll owe nothing to Democrats or to Democratic traditions. He'll owe to the independents and the Republican cross-overs, he'll owe to the Hill-haters on the right, he'll owe to David Axelrod, Oprah Winfrey, and to his own wonderfulness, but not to us.

We might as well give our nomination to Mike Bloomberg, or Kelly Clarkson for heaven's sake. Well, Our Girl will fight like hell for the next two weeks to see to it that we don't throw this away.

They shall not pass!

[rodeodance]

215. YES--she will fight like hell:-)

[Sapphocrat]

160. After reading all the replies...

...is anyone else feeling like this is a runup-to-goodbye thread? I'm seeing so many HRC supporters who almost never post...

Could very well be that I'm just projecting (as I prepare for my own departure), but it feels to me like this thread has a different (ugh, I hate using this word, but) "tone" to it.

Anyone else get that? (Obama supporters, stifle your automatic response to pile on and kick us all in the nuts/ovaries, just this ONCE, will you?)

[juajen]

165. Please don't go. We need all of you here. I'm beginning to

feel as if I'm fighting for a hundred of you. Please, please, don't go.

[Sapphocrat]

176. juajen, you've been a gem. A diamond amidst all the dust.

But there comes a time you just have to give it up. Barring some miracle from above (and do I ever wish for one!), it's over. He's got it.

To continue beyond this point is an exercise in futility. We're not going to change any minds. We just have to bite the bullet and dig in for the next four years of -- yes -- President McCain.

We'll get through this.

Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it really doesn't matter with me now, because I've been to the mountaintop.

. . .

I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land!

And so I'm happy, tonight.

I'm not worried about anything.

I'm not fearing any man!

[Metric System]

166. Well speaking for myself I don't think I'll be around here much longer. In the last few days I've

seen a number of Obamaniacs post that they won't be satisfied with Hillary losing the nomination, as they also want to see her lose her Senate seat. Unbelievable! And they expect us to show goodwill to them? Obama's supporters are completely turning me off of him. I used to check out RW sites like Free Republic and after reading the vile comments I would say to myself, I could never be associated with these people. Well, I'm starting to feel the same way about ObamaNation. I want no association with them and so I really can't see myself voting for Obama in the general election. It looks like I'll be sitting it out for the first time in years. I still can't get over how many have posted that they want Hillary ousted from the Senate, though. The one comfort I am taking in Hillary losing the nomination is that she can still do good work and achieve great things in the Senate, but Obamaniacs don't even want us to be able to take solace in that. It's such a slap in the face and a big fuck you to all of Hillary's supporters. Even if Obama lost the nomination I could never see myself saying that I hope he loses his Senate seat too. What a bunch of assholes.

[NMMNG]

172. The level of hatred from them is astounding

Then they turn around and speak of "Hope" and "Unity". I don't know how the cognitive dissonance doesn't make their heads explode.

[Metric System]

174. I think they mainly want to unite with Obamacons. They have no need for us anymore. Hell, I can't

count how many insults I've seen directed at old people here lately, I guess they have no use for them either. They're part of Hillary's base (and the most reliable of any voters), but I guess they're fair targets for ObamaNation too as long as they don't drink the kool-aid with their medicine. And it's not just the Obamaniacs here. That creature Stephanie Miller was on Larry King Live the other night and she made fun of the Bush/McCain press conference by saying it looked like the cast of Cocoon. Now I have no love for Bush Senior or McCain but to attack based solely on age is vile and beneath Democrats. Again, old people are the most dependable voters so I don't see the point in potentially pissing them off by devaluing them. I was at my grandmother's when LKL was on and she gave a look of disgust over the Cocoon line. And she's a die-hard Dem (but a Hillary supporter, so I guess she doesn't matter).

[NMMNG]

177. Fine, let them then

If they want to build their grand coalition of the young and toss aside the old (old being anybody over 30, it would seem) then let them. It's only going to screw them when it comes crunch time. They'll blame us, of course, when the Rethugs take office, but it will be their own faults. You can only disenfranchise so many people before you screw yourselves.

[Metric System]

178. It will likely be the Clintons' fault. I've seen a number of posts here blaming them for Gore and

Kerry's losses so I don't doubt they'll get the blame for Obama's eventual loss too. Some are already saying that the Clintons will likely undermine Obama's presidential campaign so that Hillary can run again in 2012 so it's safe to assume where the blame will rest. It's funny, I never would have imagined that I wouldn't be able to tell whether a Clinton-bashing rant was written by a freeper or an Obama-supporting Dem but here we are.

[NMMNG]

181. You're right

Of course every single "attack" on Obama lately has been orchestrated by the Clintons. So it wouldn't surprise me if the Clintons took the blame should Obama lose the GE.

And it has been very much like FR around here. We may as well be there for the way the Clintons are bashed.

[Metric System]

183. You're so right about the paranoia. You should check out the thread about the closed captioning goof

by CNN in which Al Quada is substituted for Hillary Clinton. A certain, um, observant poster from, um, Texas, actually writes, "CNN has many Clintonistas fudging facts and spinning to try to help Hillary." Of course the poster has no proof that the closed captioning goof was done by a Clinton supporter but the Clintons and their supporters are so evil it must be true.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4674045#4675865

[NMMNG]

184. I saw that and replied

It was rather interesting. ;-)

[Metric System]

186. Oops, I didn't notice your early response. I skimmed through the thread so I obviously missed it.

I wonder if the paranoia is a side effect of drinking too much Kool-Aid?

[NMMNG]

187. No problemo

I wonder if the paranoia is a side effect of drinking too much Kool-Aid?

Could be. There seem to be a lot of side effects to that stuff. ;-)

[rodeodance]

213. i saw it but too in a tizzy last night. will ck it out. thanks

[ButterflyBlood]

189. Count me in as one

We don't need that corporate Democrat in a safe Dem seat. I'm backing any primary challenger to Hillary in 2012.

[LostinVA]

216. HRC has been a very good Dem Senator and also a very effective one for her constituents

Of which you are NOT one.

[jackson_dem]

297. Where do you think Obama is getting $168 million from? Janitors?

[LostinVA]

210. Yeah, the Senate seat thing has really pissed me off

They want her (to quote) "ostracized an eliminated" from the Democratic Party.

WTF? It this 1930's Germany and we're about to have the Night of the Long Knives? Revenge is not a DEmocratic strategy.

And, HRC has been a very good and very effective Senator for the Dems and for her constituents. But hey, she doesn't kiss Obama's ass and drop out when the self-named "Omericans" want her to, so oust the pushy bitch.

[TriMetFan]

227. "I could never see myself saying that I hope he loses his Senate seat too.

What a bunch of assholes."
I agree 100%. The more they go after Hillary, the more I can't stand looking at Obama. I'm starting to hate the man as much as I hate Bush because of his supporters. I have a friend who said that he wised that Hillary would fall off the face of the earth and dies. And why because she is standing in Obamas way. How sick! An other friend gets all glassy eye when he talks about Obama, that we have started to call him an Obama -Bot right to his face. This is how wacky my friend is. He vote for Obama in Washington because Obama speaks pretty. ! :wtf:

[LostinVA]

208. Yes, I get that feeling, too

It's how it sounds, and it's how I feel. I've been feeling that way for a few days now, and have been talking to Haruka about it.

[libbygurl]

214. No, please stay. All the more we need you here, now.

Sorry, not making much sense.

[nonconformist]

167. This place makes me feel like shit.

I don't know why I keep coming here. Well, I do. I think it's important for people who are just peeking in to see that Hillary has support out there and that there are those of us that are just bewildered by all of this.

I'm not here as much lately, and I'm posting a lot less.

[AGirl]

168. exactly how i feel.

[TheDonkey]

171. Probably about 5 that constantly trying drudging up false and hyperbolic attacks on Obama

[Raine]

179. Well you were always one of

the worst for throwing shit on everyone but those who agreed with you ... why are you playing victim now. x(

[LadyVT]

182. The DU obamanation is an abomination!!

Hey! It could be the name of the new Ben & Jerry's ice cream flavor...

~Hillary 2008 (or 2012, after Obama crashes and burns and McCain destroys the country for Four More Years!)

[kurth]

202. America was DamnedNation, now ObamaNation

Saved and Proud.

[Awsi Dooger]

185. I support Hillary now but originally I favored Edwards

The result is making me ill. I'm convinced Hillary would be the superior president and in a year with a Democratic tilt I'll take my chances with her winning a squeaker. Besides, I can't think of a more devilishly satisfying outcome than defeating the Republicans 4 times with a single family, one they despise. That would be cold sweat potential for decades, right wingers waking up with no way to deny or dream away all the losses to the hated Clintons.

Obama is more of a risk/reward type. He could win big and become a superb president but I would hardly be shocked if he flopped and set back the reputation of the party.

I haven't been active on DU this primary season since Edwards never had a chance and pro-Hillary was always going to be a masochistic stance around here.

[libbygurl]

209. I would really be hard-pressed to choose if Edwards and Clinton...

...were the two main contenders. As it is, I believe Clinton to be the more ready candidate for Prez, and BO an unknown quantity, and I am very suspicious of where his true support in the primaries comes from (I don't discount the hand of Rove/GOP etc. in it, so well-organised and well-funded has been his campaign).

Thanks for joining the HRC supporter ranks, by the way! I was sad to see Edwards give up the race, but he kept being marginalised by the damned media, too!

[ButterflyBlood]

190. Too many

I still come under much fire for my posts. We'll see how long that lasts.

[LostinVA]

217. "We'll see how long that lasts" -- meaning what?

[ButterflyBlood]

269. Read this thread

So many are talking about leaving once Obama locks this up and takes down the corporate candidate.

[jackson_dem]

298. You're deluding yourself if you think that proven drug, coal, nuke industry shill isn't corporate

[sueragingroz]

194. I'm debating wandering off again...

This is all just to depressing. It's like watching a train wreck and having absolutely no power to stop it...

[Perry Logan]

195. DU is my chance to study the mental disorder of Clintophobia.

Since Clintophobia is common among wingers, reading the incontinent smears of the Clintophobes at DU helps me understand the enemy better. Bless their illiterate little hearts.

[Tennessee Gal]

196. I'm still here, but not as often.

I don't care much for arrogance and this place has become full of it.

[terrya]

198. I do.

Most of the Obama supporters here are good, decent, honorable people. The others who are complete asswipes and spunkwads I have on ignore.

[Marrah_G]

204. I look in a couple times a day far more briefly then before.

I am disgusted at the behavior of many Duers, not including the trolls, on all sides.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

211. Check My Profile

I have been coming here for a long time and have made many, many posts...This board has taught me a lot... The most salient lesson is that some so called liberals can be every bit as hateful as your most hard core Freepers; their target are just different or in this instance the same..And I would be a liar if I didn't admit to being sucked in and becoming every bit as hateful...

I post here less and less now and soon probably won't post anymore...I have already decided to "ween" myself from politics... It is making me hateful and I don't want to be hateful because I believe the most powerful force in the world is love... I will neither support or oppose Barack Obama's candidacy in the Fall ... Because when you empower a candidate you empower his or her followers as well and I can not do that... I do not want that burden on my conscience...

[rodeodance]

218. have to say I learned that lessen also. I am stunned. I appreciate you posts really I do. About

next fall--I had the same "epiphany" last night.
Thats how i feel now.
best to you and hope to see you around.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

219. I Checked My History

I posted less than ten times or so in the past three days...

And I rarely do this because it's blasphemous but I swear to God I started this campaign as an Obama supporter... The antics of his followers have caused me to do a 180...

I live in FL and will vote against the anti-gay marriage amendment that made its way onto the ballot but will most likely leave the presidential ballot blank... I know that's what I would do if the election was tomorrow...

[rodeodance]

239. i have a brother in FL. He and his partner of many years will prob. leave it blank also.

[Metric System]

264. I absolutely agree with this post too. I just don't know what to think anymore. Yes, it's great that

Obama brings new voters in, but the question I have is whether they're loyal to the Democratic party or just to Obama? I suspect the latter. So how will that help other down-ticket Dems in November? Will Obamaniacs volunteer to help other Dems not named Barack get re-elected? Will they even still be interested in politics come November? Obama is "in" right now but what if he's so early-2008 by the time late-2008 rolls around? I have so many questions about the state of the Democratic party. I can't help but feel like Obama is running as an Independent rather than a Democrat and I just wonder if he'll help the party like some believe. What's to stop his Obamacons from voting for him in November, but voting Rethug down-ticket? After all, Obama seems to place blame on both parties for the state of politics and he talks about wanting to work with Rethugs.

[krkaufman]

277. What about an alternate perspective...

~All that is needed for the forces of evil to triumph is for enough good (people) to do nothing.~

[libbygurl]

212. I've some masochistic tendencies, I suppose, so I come here once or twice a day.

But it has certainly NOT been hospitable to HRC supporters ever since I began to come frequently in January.

I just admire the likes of rodeodance, who sticks around and pumps up Hill's supporters with positive posts on the DU Clinton supporters group.

[UALRBSofL]

220. I feel very disenfranchised right now

I know Hillary will keep fighting on and I keep thinking Florida will come through since she won here. There is 210 delegates at steak and it could make all the difference in the world and Hillary knows it. However, if we (floridians) are left out in august or the delegates aren't seated appropriately I'm planning on trying to get the word out in Florida to the democrats to do a Hillary Clinton "write-in" on the ballots in the General Election. I think if our votes aren't counted and our delegates aren't seated accordingly then we can still vote for Hillary in the GE. We use paper ballots and electronic voting so we get a choice of either one. And, I think it's only fair to Hillary to do a write-in since we aren't being heard in the convention. The other issue here is what to do about all the animosity on DU. I came here from another site thinking I wouldn't have to deal with rabid GOPers but it seems the Obama supporters are just as bad. I will have to say I admire Rodeodance, maybe he/she can take the insults, etc. but for most of us it's too difficult.

[Beausoir]

252. Yes. Rodeodance is a great supporter.

:thumbsup:

[bigtree]

221. Lots of good folks here. Still the best place to post stuff.

lots of hatred spread here . . . every one justifying their own venom by pointing to someone else's.

[libbygurl]

223. Hmm, as Rock_Garden said earlier, Hillary has endured much, much worse,...

...and I'm thinking now that we should be just as tough about the slime and vicious attacks perpetrated against her supporters here.

[totodeinhere]

225. Since the hatred comes from both sides,

maybe you should have asked how many supporters of any candidate still come here.

And perhaps it should be noted that the hateful messages come from a small minority on both sides and certainly not from everyone.

[libbygurl]

226. Again, the 'both camps are doing it' fallacy. The OM was directed at...

...Clinton supporters, btw.

[totodeinhere]

228. I know, but instead of directing it at only Clinton supporters,

for the sake of party unity why not direct the question at everyone?

[libbygurl]

229. Because the overwhelming negative posts come from O supporters,

...and C supporters are constantly on the defensive from their attacks.

And I seriously doubt the veracity of some "Democratic" pro-Obama, anti-Clinton posters here.

[totodeinhere]

232. See the following.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/29pqsy

[libbygurl]

259. I don't see anything on that page. Can't preview or whatever.

[totodeinhere]

261. Sorry, it's another message in this thread that you already responded to.

I hate to post long URL's that will cause the necessity to use horizontal scrolling. If TinyURL doesn't work for you then it might have something to do with your browser's security settings. Or you might have disabled javascript.

[theHandpuppet]

235. Um... because it's HER thread?

And she gets to choose the topic, just as you do if/when you post your own threads?

Just a thought. :eyes:

[totodeinhere]

245. I understand that, but...

don't I get to comment on her choice of a topic if I want to?

[theHandpuppet]

251. Yours wasn't a "comment"

But an attack. Neither did your post address the OP, whose question was aimed clearly and specifically to Clinton supporters.

As critical as I've been against Obama's campaign and some of his supporters, when there are threads posted which are obviously posed as invitations for a certain group of folks rather than issues -- for instance, addressed specifically to GLBT folks, celebration threads, supporter threads, etc -- I have the common courtesy to stay out. And unless you can muster a return of that kind of courtesy, your complaints ring hollow.

[libbygurl]

253. Actually, you seem to be one of the saner and fair-minded ones...

...who don't support HRC here, but your kind is so few and far between on DU.

You may comment, of course, but don't be surprised if you get negative replies back.

[totodeinhere]

262. Thanks.

I respect you even though I disagree with your choice of a candidate. I hope that we can all come together in November.

[rodeodance]

260. suggestion--go start your own unity thread.

[Political Heretic]

231. You know what I'm sick and tired of?

I'm sick and tired of thread after thread of Hillary supporters crying about the fact that there are some obama supporters who aren't nice - going nuclear with the ridiculous hyperbole, playing the victim and throwing around phrases like "this place is sick and full of hatred"

Yes, there are Obama supporters who get out of line, and there are some who are outright trolls and deserve a ban stick. I spent as much time last night policing my own as I did making other kinds of posts. Even put on Obama supporter on ignore.

But guess what? I hate to break this too you but there are many nasty Clinton supporters out there. No, not all of them. But the last two weeks has seen the same shift that the campaigns have seen - the more Clinton went negative, so too this place turned into an nearly endless spam of mud-throwing by some Clinton supporters. I think I've been called every name in the book, and I try to be one of the good guys by being balanced as much as I can.

About the only real difference I can see between Hillary and Barack supporters in general is that I've read now nine different threads in the last week where some Hillary supporter has gone victim-mode and talked about how horrible and vile all Obama supporters are (usually not qualified in any way) and talking about how vile and sick it all is.

Frankly, I'm losing my patience with this... I'm tired of folks playing the victim. People who act like our side are pure angels and its only the mean, nasty-wasty other side that does anything bad really start to piss me off after while, just because its so stupid.

BOTH SIDES have some people behaving badly. If there's any real difference in proportion between the sides, its only because Obama supporters outnumber Clinton supporters here by 78% according to DU poll.

[libbygurl]

237. Ehrm, and who asked your opinion?

[totodeinhere]

247. So we have to ask your permission to be able to make a comment in your thread?

When you start a thread it should be open to comments from anyone.

[libbygurl]

250. You're free to start your own threads on a different topic.

This thread specifically addresses Hillary supporters. Unwelcome, off-topic opinions will be ignored. Nothing new will be expressed by anti-Clinton Obama supporters.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

272. It's an open discussion board.

You might feel more comfortable at hillaryis44.com, AKA, "The World's Largest Group Therapy Session".

[rodeodance]

273. OP says Hillary supporters

[theHandpuppet]

238. Cool. Start your own thread.

Sounds fair, doesn't it? After all, Obama supporters outnumber Clinton supporters here by 78% according to DU poll so you should be able to bully us right off DU without breaking a sweat. Frankly, I'm tired of this... I'm tired of Obama folks playing the victim.

Disclaimer: Portions of this post have been unapologetically plagiarized.

[ronnykmarshall]

240. Looks like another one for me to put on ignore.

See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya.

[totodeinhere]

248. Why do you put people you disagree with on ignore?

Isn't the whole idea here to be exposed to differing opinions, including those you disagree with?

[ronnykmarshall]

249. Because I'm SICK of the shit.

Is that enough for you to fucking understand?

Until this year I've NEVER put people on ignore.

I've been told that I should be ashamed, go to hell and my sanity should be questioned because I support Hillary.

THAT is why I've fucking put a bunch of assholes on ingore.

Get it, now?

[libbygurl]

254. I've done the same thing, just this past month, because the...

...venomous remarks became intolerable, and I've never had to put anyone on Ignore before.

[rodeodance]

241. sugestion--go start your own thread. OP is asking for Hillary supporters comments.

[Marrah_G]

287. So hide the threads and revel in the hundreds of Hillary hit peices posted daily

:puke:

[LanternWaste]

233. I think I can be technically called a...

I think I can be technically called a Hillary supporter as I think both candidates are strong and effective nominees, and I haven't ruled either one out yet (I live in TX, so I've got the additional luxury of waiting until next month until I have to make a choice...). I could just as easily be called an Obama supporter.

For the most part, I've been staying out of GDP as it's turned into nothing more than a pissing contest in the last month and will most likely remain so until the nomination process is finally wrapped up.

But, like particular Christians who give Christianity as whole a bad name (as they're the loudest), both Sen. Clinton & Obama have a rather 'vocal' minority who really make the actual candidates they support look almost as bad as the posters themselves look.

Since I've refused to use the Ignore feature, I get to observe the full impact of the incivility, rudeness, petulance and pettiness that is both called and considered "intelligent discourse".

One has only to read yesterdays posts regarding accusations of plagiarism to see the continued reduction of standards for the lowest common denominator. But, I imagine that anyone guilty of the maintenance of our lower standards would themselves be honestly and sincerely shocked that they are the main culprits-- as their passion and bias have overridden any possibility of objectivity.

Yet it does give me a small, guilty pleasure to bookmark particular threads rife with statements of absolutism-- no room for being wrong at all in their prognostications. Once the primaries are over and one with, I may post a "The Best Of Political Dogmatism- Or Errant Inerrancy" in the lounge for a few laughs.

Don't let it get you down. Passions are overtaking reason for many people-- and who are we to judge if that's a good or a bad thing...? That would be as unprogressive as, well... sniping at another Democrat. :shrug:

[rodeodance]

243. Welcome. Tx will be telling.

[question everything]

236. Joining in

Even though I realize that Obama will be the next president, unless there is some turmoil in a foreign country right before the election, and McCain will sail.

Either way, the hard facts will hit everyone after the inauguration when they will realize that there is no beef behind the mass hysteria and revival-like rallies.

[HughMoran]

255. I've stopped coming here much

I have no issue with Obama, but the hate being spewed at Democrats like Hillary is unsettling to put it mildly.

[readmoreoften]

257. It's an Obama echo chamber. I think there are about 7 or 8 Hillary posters who haven't abandoned DU.

Or at least GD:P

[krabigirl]

267. As an Edwards supporter who feels more at home with the Hillary supporters

I have been coming to this forum less and less, but still go to GD and the Lastest Breaking News section. I just don't like some of the stuff I hear from some of Obama's more vocal supporters. I'm the type of person who likes to question things, and look at them with a critical eye, and that just not go over well here. I never go to Kos anyway...don't have the time.

[libbygurl]

270. Welcome to the group, krabigirl! We are so glad to have you along.

I've always felt an affinity for Edwards myself, did agree with a lot of his proposals. I wish that he had been the presidential contender in the '04 election, too. He might even have actually won by a greater margi, since he showed a willingness to fight, more than did Kerry.

I'm just sorry that the Hillary supporters are the unpopular group here on DU, however, but we sure are happy you chose to join our ranks. Thank you for your kind and invaluable comradeship!

[DemVet]

274. I do..

Hold fast...Denver is approaching.

[TankLV]

278. I stay away a lot more latelyl...it's become disgusting...will only get worse...

[Arkana]

280. The anti-Obama invective makes me want to hurl.

I wondered why I spent so much less time here--then I came back and read insulting thread after insulting thread about him, and I remembered.

[jbm]

281. For a little while longer...

I've been a member here since 2002, and up until a few weeks ago I doubt I had made even one post that wasn't polite and respectful.

These past few weeks practically every post I've written was hostile. Before I came here I used to post at mixed political boards, and I would leave them if I started to get seriously pissed. Life is to short to spend time in places that make you feel bad.

As I write this, I'm wondering why I haven't left already, but I think it's because a tiny bit of me still holds out a little hope. After all, if she wins I can afford to be gracious and understanding.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

283. I never realized that as an older woman I was considered so worthless

Only 16 years separate the two candidates but you would think from some posts here that one is an antediluvian sea hag driven by rapacious appetites unmatched in the annals of history, while the other is like Botticelli's "Birth of Venus" - a rapturous vision whose youth and beauty are proof of a sublime spirit.

Obviously I support Hillary only out of gender loyalty and possible racism due to my advancing age. My crusty old heart just needs to be touched by an angel, I guess. But not if I see him first.

[CyberPieHole]

285. What a great post...

:kick: and rec

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

288. Thank you, it was fun to write

I'm glad it was fun to read.

I am as turned off by the anti-Obama posts as by the anti-Clinton ones. I'm glad that Proud2BMurkin and others were banned, though they missed a few on my pizza list. I think the whole plagiarism "scandal" is just one in a series of dumb moves by Hillary's campaign, and I have been disappointed by the behavior of both candidates and their surrogates.

But as one who remembers DU's '04 primary wars, I read a different tone in the '08 invective. I feel I'm being attacked not for what kind of voter I am, not for how left or right a Democrat, but for who I am as a person. And it's hard to separate out what has changed about the posters from what has changed about the board. I used to roll my eyes at people who said "this place isn't the same." Now, for me anyway, it surely is not.

[CyberPieHole]

291. I'm a relative newbie...

and felt very put off by some of the anti~Clinton posts written by pro~Obama DUers, but now, I don't regard them as true Obama supporters...I guess the same can be said for some Clinton supporters. Don't let the current hostility get you down. I am sure that this place will return to normal once the primaries are over. I am spending less time here and I think that's for the best. For all concerned.

It's still nice meeting some people here. Just yesterday I started arguing with an Obama supporter and as the discussion progressed I felt a bit of understanding of his/her view and the animosity seemed to disappear. I guess we are all working toward the same goal: a Democratic victory come November. Some of us just differ on how we should get there.

PeaceOut,
CPH

[RememberWellstone]

284. Like shit.

The Obama people are going to probably go apeshit if he loses...with all this vitriole and hyperbole flying.

[BlackVelvet04]

286. I'm still here...

and probably too full of piss and vinegar, but I don't roll over when attacked as I have been. I'm quite guilty of attacking back but it's such a small thing compared to what I could be guilty of. ;-)

[candice]

289. It's important to offer a balance. I feel we are in for deep trouble if an unexperienced person

is nominated.

But, I'd love to be able to vote for Obama after he served one term as Senator with distinction and a record we could admire. JFK was a new face, but he served 14 years in Congress prior to becoming President.

[amborin]

290. Hillary supporter here

the venom of the obama crowd here shocks me....

during the 2004 campaign, it was so ghastly to witness republicans' hatred and vile toward Kerry, on the yahoo boards and other websites....their vicious and untruthful attacks were horrible

now it's deja vu right here on the DU: Obama supporters parrot republican attacks on Hillary, they seem to want to destroy her....

Hillary is a brilliant progressive who's fought her entire adult life to improve conditions for ordinary americans...the attacks against her are so baseless, so vicious, so extreme--they reflect very badly on obama supporters

[Skittles]

296. I don't care for either candidate but I do see what you see

I have never seen such a juvenile bunch of assholes in my entire life as bad as what I have seen here trashing Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

299. It was a lot better when Edwards was around

I am an Edwardian who switched to Hillary after he left. When he was around there were roughly as many Edwards supporters here as Obama supporters. In fact there were slightly more Edwardians. After Edwards left almost all of his supporters went to Obama and it became 70/30, and now 80/20 Obama. This has become an echo chamber for Obama and Obamites are sparing no effort to make this 100% Obama doctrine approved. Look at how they shout down any dissent.

[theHandpuppet]

300. You're not alone

I'm a former Edwardian myself who switched to Hillary after he dropped out. Any true Edwardian would not approve of bullying or driving out any group of people with a dissenting opinion, but that's what drinking the Obama-flavored kool-aid will do to some people, I guess. Like I've said before, to me there's not much difference between marching lock step and goose step.

[saltpoint]

301. I vote Democratic. I have for some many years now.

I don't vote on gender.

I don't vote on sex.

I don't give a good goddam for this argument.

In particular, I don't give a good goddam for the notion that because sexism exists that a vote for some other Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton reflects that sexism.

As far as I'm concerned, that's bullshit.

It's insulting, it's inaccurate, it's divisive, and two more -- it's shrill and histrionic.

Senator Clinton may yet win our nomination. I like Obama's odds better, but if she does win I'll vote for her in November. I liked Edwards better. It wasn't because he had a penis. I also liked Kucinich, Biden, Dodd, Gravel, Obama, and Richardson better. It had nothing to do with their dicks.

I'm supporting Obama now that Edwards has withdrawn because I think he is by far the superior candidate. It is not a gender-based decision.

Senator Clinton has lost a huge lead owing to her campaign's choice in strategies. That's the most diplomatic version I have in the tool kit. Over coffee, privately, the real version kicks in, and it is not flattering to her choice in campaign strategists and it is a perception not made on sexist grounds.

[joeprogressive]

303. The Hillbots are a bunch of hypocrites

You guys can dish it out but can't take it. If you want to trash Obama then go to FR. I said a long time ago that we should purge this sight of the radical Hillary supporters. She voted for the war, got in bed with DLC and big corporations, and went negative in her mud slinging campaign.

The Hillary supporters that will support Obama after he wins nomination are welcome to stay. Those that utter one negative thing about the Democratic candidate should go away for good.

[LostinVA]

304. I think you need a hug

:hug:

I will pray for you.

[Dr. Strange]

305. On noes!

The Hillary Hugbots!

[LostinVA]

308. It's all Midlo's fault

She brought me into her cult.

[rodeodance]

307. OP was asking for Hillary supporters--go POOP somewhere else.

[Maribelle]

311. You poor widdle ting.

Do you truly think Skinner died and made you boss?

[DemzRock]

309. Yeah, I've seen some Hillary attacks, but...

I don't care. Anyone But McStain is my motto!

[Ilsa]

310. I will probably vote for Hillary, but I love Obama too.