Clinton: "The real issue is if you’re entire candidacy is about words, they should be your own word"

[sabra]

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/clinton_says_obama_speech_flap.html#more

Clinton says Obama speech flap shows media "finally" scrutinizing rival

CLEVELAND, Ohio—Sen. Hillary Clinton said the media is “finally” giving Democratic presidential rival Sen. Barack Obama some scrutiny by reporting about his use of campaign phrases offered by his friend, Gov. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts.

In making more than a dozen satellite interviews to TV stations in Texas, Ohio, West Virginia and Hawaii, the New York senator also accused Chicago political strategist David Axelrod, who works for Obama and Patrick, of putting words in the mouths of his clients.

A reporter for KGMB-TV, the CBS affiliate in Honolulu, asked Clinton whether she should face criticism over her use of the phrase “Fired up and ready to go,” a stock line of Obama’s, she replied: “Oh, that’s kind of a silly comparison. That’s a line that’s been around a long time.”

Echoing her remarks to reporters last night on her campaign plane before it left from Madison, Wis., to Ohio, Clinton said: “The real issue is if you’re entire candidacy is about words, they should be your own words. And you may know that both Deval Patrick and Sen. Obama have the same consultant and adviser, who is apparently putting words in both of their mouths. And I think that’s a serious question to be raised because, obviously, we’re asking the people of Hawaii to hire us for the toughest job in the world.”

...

“Look, it’s not us making this charge. It’s the media. You know, the media is finally examining my opponent which I think is important because we’re trying to pick a president, someone for the toughest job in the world,” she told KITV in Honolulu. “So, I think the media is going to be putting forth whatever facts and information it has for voters to assess on their own.”

[BeyondGeography]

1. Impossibly lame

Now go back to being told what to say, Hillary.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. and get off his coattails!

[bicentennial_baby]

2. So I guess the unidentified rival campaign that started this was...

Gravel? :D

[DJ13]

3. “Look, it’s not us making this charge. It’s the media."

.......says Hillary after she and her campaign had a one hour conference call with the media yesterday begging them to devote time for this non-issue.

:eyes:

[scheming daemons]

5. You expected Hillary to tell the truth?

If her lips are moving, and a camera is on her, she is lying.

[rox63]

16. And Wolfson (Clinton spokescreep) was on another call this morning

Raving about how the "plagiarism" strategy is working.

[madrchsod]

27. she uses the media then blames them

it`s pretty obvious she never read ...... how to win friends and influence people

http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html
How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie

[SOS]

128. "It's not us, it's our puppets at the New York Times"

Obama's IL Senate voting - New York Times, page 1, above the fold, December 20, 2007. Right before Iowa.

Rezko - New York Times, page 1, January 22, 2008. Four days before South Carolina.

"plagiarism" - New York Times, page 1, February 18, 2008. One day before Wisconsin.

"All the Clinton propaganda that's fit to print"

[gateley]

4. The REAL issues folks, are Iraq, the economy and our relationship

with the rest of the world.

[jackson_dem]

23. Too bad Obama decided to run on "just words", slogans written by Axlerod instead of issues

[gateley]

61. I'm still concerned about the issues - more concerned than I am with snarking. nt

[gmudem]

68. Still believe that tripe?

At this point you're just being willfully ignorant if you believe Obama has no substance.

[eShirl]

6. so, if your entire candidacy is about experience, it should be your own experience?

okay then

[thereismore]

12. I like that.

:popcorn:

[scheming daemons]

17. PERFECT

[rox63]

21. Good one!

:D

[JimGinPA]

30. Yeah, Her "Experience" Is Plagiarized nt

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

34. good one

:yourock:

[Mojambo]

40. That was my first thought. n/t

[sniffa]

47. nice

perfect retort. :thumbsup:

[BlackVelvet04]

63. And it is.....

she did a lot while Bill was in the whitehouse in her role as First Lady. She is not running on his experience and never was. You can keep saying it but it doesn't make it true.

[Carolina]

75. then where does she get 35 years from?!

Spare me your twisted triangulation.

[BlackVelvet04]

99. Spare me your ignorance.

Her accomplishments have been posted here over and over and over again. You aren't interested in the truth, you're just snarking.

[GarbagemanLB]

101. Being married to Bill is hard work, I am sure. But besides that, where does the 35 years come from?

[BlackVelvet04]

108. Well, here's a couple of things since 1969.....

*After entering Yale Law School in 1969, Rodham served on the board of editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action and provided legal advice for underprivileged and abused children at Yale-New Haven Hospital.

*She also interned with children’s advocate Marian Wright Edelman, received a grant to work at the Children’s Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1970; and worked for Senator Walter Mondale’s subcommittee on migrant workers during the *summer of 1971.

*She also worked at the city legal services providing free assistance to poor residents.

*She also became a staff attorney for the Children’s Defense Fund and was recruited to serve on the presidential impeachment inquiry staff for the House of Representative’s Judiciary Committee, investigating the Watergate Scandal.

*During Rodham Clinton’s 12 years as first lady of Arkansas, she continued to pursue children and family issues. She chaired the Arkansas Education Standards Committee to improve the testing standards of new teachers, founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and introduced Arkansas Home Instruction for Preschool Youth, a program that trained parents of preschool children in preparedness and literacy.

*The first lady also served on the Arkansas Children’s Hospital Legal Services board, Children’s Defense Fund board, while continuing to work for the Rose Law Firm. She was named one of the 100 most influential attorneys in America by the National Law Journal in 1988 and 1991. She was also named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

*Not since Eleanor Roosevelt had a first lady so actively participated in public policy. Unaccustomed to the first lady’s central role in the shaping of public policy, such involvement was thought inappropriate by critics.

*During her eight years as first lady, Rodham Clinton also initiated the Children’s Health Insurance Program in 1997, increased research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma to the National Institute of Health, as well as assisted in determining the cause of a mysterious illness affecting veterans of the Gulf War. She also initiated and guided the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997.

*Rodham Clinton has received many prestigious awards:
1. Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service
2. the President’s Award of the League of United Latin American Citizens,
3. Role Model of the Year, by the United Steel Workers of America;
4.the Martin Luther King Jr. Award from the Progressive National Baptist Convention, 5. National Association of Elementary School Principals Distinguished Service Award.

*Rodham Clinton also has authored best-selling books, including her autobiography, Living History and It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us, which won her the 1997 Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album for the recorded version.

Since becoming a senator, Rodham Clinton has worked to strengthen New York’s economy and homeland security, while supporting a return to fiscal responsibility. She worked to bring economic relief to victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

The senator introduced legislation to provide funding for threat-based homeland security to ensure adequate resources for first responders, and such high-target communities as New York City.

She serves on various senatorial committees, including the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee; Environment and Public Works Committee; Special Committee on Aging; and in 2004 was the only senator on the Transformation Advisory Group to the Joint Forces Command. She has visited troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations, to learn about the challenges American combat forces face. She also has worked for prescription-drug safety for children, to lower the cost of prescription drugs, and to prevent contamination of the American food supply by bioterrorism. She co-sponsored legislation to extend tax credits in regions that contain designated Renewal Communities, as well as introduced legislation to increase access to broadband technology in rural areas.
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2044.html

[Carolina]

125. Interesting that Marian and Peter Edelman kicked the

Clintons to the curb after 'their' Welfare Deform legislation!

POINT: "Since becoming a senator, Rodham Clinton has worked to strengthen New York’s economy and homeland security, while supporting a return to fiscal responsibility."
COUNTERPOINT: Oh really, seems our treasury is being consumed by the war she helped sponsor!

POINT: "Rodham Clinton also has authored best-selling books...including It Takes a Village"
COUNTERPOINT: and a ghost writer!

POINT: "She has visited troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations, to learn about the challenges American combat forces face."
COUNTERPOINT: Thanks to her fucking vote that put them there. Some fucking accomplishment that is, visiting them on our dime!

POINT: *During Rodham Clinton’s 12 years as first lady of Arkansas..."
*The first lady ..."
*Not since Eleanor Roosevelt had a first lady..."
*During her eight years as first lady..."
COUNTERPOINT: Where would she be had she not been Bill First Lady

Whoop-de-fucking do

[BlackVelvet04]

127. typical....

you're a sad little girl.

[Carolina]

132. you just can't handle the truth

you can name call and disparage me all you want. Doesn't change the facts and truth of what I have said.

[BlackVelvet04]

135. No, dear, what you said is stupid......

you don't get to declare yourself the winner. Hillary has many accomplishments over the course of many years many of which I posted here.....you can't handle that truth. Another woman hating woman.....or in your case a woman hating girl.

[Carolina]

143. You just can't help yourself

Your argument is flawed so you have to attack me personally. But no matter, I have truth on my side.

Face it. You can post her resume all you want but the truth is HRC's greatest accomplishment as a Senator, the one thing she is known for, is voting for WAR against a nation of innocent people who were not an imminent threat to the US and never attacked the US.

She was for it from the start and never changed her tune until her stnace and public opinion were at odds, thereby jeopardizing her POTUS bid.

Ask people what she's known for, what stands out in her vaunted career, and you get TWO ANSWERS:

1) Failed universal healthcare (the secret meetings and having her as titular head when SHE was neither elected nor vetted as a cabinet member)
2) Support of Bush and his WAR (and IWR was a vote for war, ask a Marine, or Robert Byrd or Bob Graham or all the other Senate and House Dems who voted NO!).

You still can't handle the truth.

[BlackVelvet04]

144. Don't bother....

you're on ignore.

[Carolina]

145. so who's the child?!

name call, pout and then put me on ignore.

[Carolina]

124. BULLSHIT ... you avoid the point of my reply

where does she get her 35 years of experience from if she doesn't include being First Lady of AK for 12 years and of the US for 8.

Spare me your ignorant spin and triangulation, like your candidate

And tell me ONE MAJOR thing HRC has done in her past 7 years in the Senate. One big piece of legislation she has sponsored and ushered throught the Senate. Just one!

All she's done is go Bushlite... go along to get ahead.

She wasn't even prepared for a formidable primary challenger yet she's experienced and ready on day one. What bullshit!

[BlackVelvet04]

130. You're really a pathetic child

who evidently can't read.

Here's an avatar for you:

[Carolina]

134. and you can't handle the truth

again, name call and disparage me all you want, but the truth is the truth and that's why HRC's negatives are so high.

[BlackVelvet04]

137. Obviously you can't see the truth if you think she has no major

accomplishments. It really is quite silly.

[Carolina]

141. Her biggest accomplishment

as a Senator, the one thing she is known for, is voting for WAR against a nation of innocent people who were not an imminent threat to the US and never attacked the US.

She was for it from the start and never changed her tune until her stnace and public opinion were at odds, thereby jeopardizing her POTUS bid.

Ask people what she's known for, what stands out in her vaunted career, and you get TWO ANSWERS:

1) Failed universal healthcare (the secret meetings and having her as titular head when SHE was neither elected nor vetted as a cabinet member)
2) Support of Bush and his WAR (and IWR was a vote for war, ask a Marine, or Robert Byrd or Bob Graham or all the other Senate and House Dems who voted NO!).

You still can't handle the truth. And the truth about war tragic, far from silly...

[scheming daemons]

81. Besides single-handedly effectively killing UHC for nearly two decades, what experience?

She has the same experience from 1993 to 2001 as Chelsea or Socks.

[BlackVelvet04]

100. Another who isn't interested in the truth....

go away.

[burythehatchet]

142. Oh yeah, Peaches, you got the market cornered on truth

:rofl:

[creeksneakers2]

111. Hillary didn't kill universal health care

The far left and the big insurance companies did.

[GarbagemanLB]

86. Alright, aside from all she did for Wal-Mart, what has she done besides being the wife of Bill?

[BlackVelvet04]

102. Her accomplishments have been posted here

many times and you aren't interested in anything but snarking.

[BlackVelvet04]

109. from 1969 - present

*After entering Yale Law School in 1969, Rodham served on the board of editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action and provided legal advice for underprivileged and abused children at Yale-New Haven Hospital.

*She also interned with children’s advocate Marian Wright Edelman, received a grant to work at the Children’s Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1970; and worked for Senator Walter Mondale’s subcommittee on migrant workers during the *summer of 1971.

*She also worked at the city legal services providing free assistance to poor residents.

*She also became a staff attorney for the Children’s Defense Fund and was recruited to serve on the presidential impeachment inquiry staff for the House of Representative’s Judiciary Committee, investigating the Watergate Scandal.

*During Rodham Clinton’s 12 years as first lady of Arkansas, she continued to pursue children and family issues. She chaired the Arkansas Education Standards Committee to improve the testing standards of new teachers, founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and introduced Arkansas Home Instruction for Preschool Youth, a program that trained parents of preschool children in preparedness and literacy.

*The first lady also served on the Arkansas Children’s Hospital Legal Services board, Children’s Defense Fund board, while continuing to work for the Rose Law Firm. She was named one of the 100 most influential attorneys in America by the National Law Journal in 1988 and 1991. She was also named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

*Not since Eleanor Roosevelt had a first lady so actively participated in public policy. Unaccustomed to the first lady’s central role in the shaping of public policy, such involvement was thought inappropriate by critics.

*During her eight years as first lady, Rodham Clinton also initiated the Children’s Health Insurance Program in 1997, increased research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma to the National Institute of Health, as well as assisted in determining the cause of a mysterious illness affecting veterans of the Gulf War. She also initiated and guided the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997.

*Rodham Clinton has received many prestigious awards:
1. Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service
2. the President’s Award of the League of United Latin American Citizens,
3. Role Model of the Year, by the United Steel Workers of America;
4.the Martin Luther King Jr. Award from the Progressive National Baptist Convention, 5. National Association of Elementary School Principals Distinguished Service Award.

*Rodham Clinton also has authored best-selling books, including her autobiography, Living History and It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us, which won her the 1997 Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album for the recorded version.

Since becoming a senator, Rodham Clinton has worked to strengthen New York’s economy and homeland security, while supporting a return to fiscal responsibility. She worked to bring economic relief to victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

The senator introduced legislation to provide funding for threat-based homeland security to ensure adequate resources for first responders, and such high-target communities as New York City.

She serves on various senatorial committees, including the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee; Environment and Public Works Committee; Special Committee on Aging; and in 2004 was the only senator on the Transformation Advisory Group to the Joint Forces Command. She has visited troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations, to learn about the challenges American combat forces face. She also has worked for prescription-drug safety for children, to lower the cost of prescription drugs, and to prevent contamination of the American food supply by bioterrorism. She co-sponsored legislation to extend tax credits in regions that contain designated Renewal Communities, as well as introduced legislation to increase access to broadband technology in rural areas.
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2044.html

[Carolina]

126. snooze

This reads like someone's padded CV.

Her 35 years of experience are derived from being First Lady of AK for 12 years and of the US for 8.
Meaning they're derivative, derived from being Bill's wife.

Now tell me ONE MAJOR thing HRC has done in her past 7 years in the Senate. One big piece of legislation she has sponsored and ushered throught the Senate. Just one!

All she's done is go Bushlite... go along to get ahead. Namely IWR

She wasn't even prepared for a formidable primary challenger yet she's experienced and ready on day one. What complete and utter bullshit!

[Carolina]

74. TOUCHE

being First Lady means that Laura with is qualified having been similarly First lady of TX and US.

[GarbagemanLB]

89. Laura Bush 2012!

[BlackVelvet04]

103. Nice try but wrong. n/t

[Mme. Defarge]

119. Can't argue with that!

Heck, Nancy Reagan probably has more experience running the country than Hillary.

[Occam Bandage]

120. Bam. Perfect.

[my3boyz]

123. PERFECT!!!! I hope the Obama camp fires back with that!!! nt

[sueh]

140. Spot on. I wish I could give your post a *kick& recommend* .

:hi:

[thereismore]

7. She has nothing else left. I understand, but it doesn't look good on her. nt

[Thrill]

8. She really will never get my vote

[Carolina]

80. Me neither

not ever

[judaspriestess]

110. Obama will never get mine

I'll still vote but I'll write in either Edwards or Clinton.

[Carolina]

131. and you'll still LOSE

[robbedvoter]

9. Can't argue with that! "Great speaker" is what I've been hearing ad nauseam

I always suspected it's not what I need in a POTUS - but it was hailed as THE great strength of BO - and Hillary was always unfavorably compared to the great speaker...

[BlueManDude]

10. If HRC gets the nomination she will get less than 40% of the vote.

I know she won't get mine.

[goldcanyonaz]

15. I feel the same way about Obama, interesting, huh?

[Hepburn]

48. Like the loss of a Hillbot vote in Arizona is really gonna count?

LMBO.......:rofl:

[goldcanyonaz]

60. And, when California turns red?

[anigbrowl]

78. And pigs fly?

Can't wait to se some evidence for this idea you guys keep floating.

[Hepburn]

82. Sure.......California is gonna come out for John McCain!

I gotta bridge....just for you...if you truly believe the bullshit you just posted!

:rofl:

[Carolina]

139. California gave us Nixon and Reagan

History, history, history

[DemzRock]

122. Obama fans who say they won't vote HRC make me think less

of you and your candidate. You would chose McCain over Hillary? Pathetic!

[thoughtcrime1984]

11. Hey Hillary campaign

Fuck off

[SIMPLYB1980]

Hey Obama campaign

Fuck off yourself.:P

[thoughtcrime1984]

67. I wasn't commenting on DU Hillaryites

I'm honestly sick of Penn, Wolfson, Rove, etc. But whatever.

[madrchsod]

13. who me?

well i never said anything like that.....

[Debi]

14. When was Obama's campaign ever 'just about words' ?

Oh, yeah...When Hillary Clinton told the media it was :crazy:

[FrenchieCat]

18. Yep.......

Here's a tape of Hillary Clinton using word for word Edwards' line on Blockbusters and Corporations (the video shows Edwards as the original source, and Hillary using the exact same wording a few months later)? Why isn't this news? Why the unequal treatment? Because she says she about solutions? Obama never said he was just about Words....that's what the Clinton camp has been saying. So why should he be punished and maligned for using "just words" (that's 2 words) and quotes from famous people, when what Hillary did was much more blatant?

http://www.oliverwillis.com/archives/2008/02/18/clintons-plagiarism-charge-fal/

[durtee librul]

38. Frenchie cat - for once I agree with you!!!!

C(linton) N(ews) N(etwork) would never EVER say anything bad about their girl now would they? And they poke fun at Faux news for being 'fair and balanced"

[creeksneakers2]

113. Yeah, Obama said his words made him special

Obama said words matter and he lumped himself in with Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln. Obama's whole pitch is that he's an inspiring leader with inspiring speeches who can lead us with his charm to great places we couldn't otherwise get to. Words will change everything.

That will happen so long as he gets some great lines fed to him. (Sarcasm)

Hillary is talking about the real issue here and the Obama people keep trying to twist it into a row about plagiarism.

[MethuenProgressive]

46. The Obama campaign is mostly about how great the Obama campaign is.

Entertianing, but not worth a dime.

[blogslut]

19. Keep pushing it, Clinton campaign

America loves a broken record.

[rodeodance]

93. take it up with the media----they asked the question for gawds sake!

[nomorewhopper]

20. hillary is running a disasterous campaign

she doesn't seem to understand that the "change" obama talks about is moving away from this type of politics.

[hisownpetard]

59. That's it, exactly!

:toast:

[rodeodance]

95. Clinton says Obama speech flap shows media "finally" scrutinizing rival

[BlackVelvet04]

22. She's right....

for me it's not about plagiarism it's about how fake it is. Everybody has been praising him for being different and a change and he's not at all.

Do he and Patrick share one brain or something?

[scheming daemons]

26. Great minds think alike.....

:shrug:


Just like evil ones do.... Mark Penn/Karl Rove.

[BlackVelvet04]

51. Come on now....

that isn't going to cut it. It's obvious there has been a lot of copycatting going on.

I'd have a whole lot more respect for his supporters if they'd just say they were disappointed and he should be more authentic.

You see, I don't support Hillary because I think she has no faults, I support her in spite of those faults because I think she's the most qualified.

[Carolina]

84. Qualified?

what has she done, truly done, that she can lay claim to, that has made a difference -- for the better -- in people's lives?

Vote with Bush for the past 7 years

[BlackVelvet04]

97. One great thing that she did

was fight for and get health care benefits for the 9/11 workers.

Senator Clinton sounded the alarm soon after 9/11 that those exposed to the toxic air at and around Ground Zero would suffer health effects from their exposure and would need help in the days, months and years to come.

She led efforts to secure $12 million in December 2001 to establish the World Trade Center Worker and Volunteer Medical Screening Program run by Mt. Sinai, the first program designed to track and monitor the health of 9/11 responders. Senator Clinton worked with her colleagues to secure an additional $90 million to expand the number of workers and volunteers eligible, and successfully helped to restore $125 million in additional funding for long-term medical and mental health monitoring and treatment and workers compensation benefits.
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/911/

I was proud to help launch the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, which has helped reduce teen pregnancy by one third. Together with Senator Patty Murray, I pressed the FDA for a long overdue decision on Plan B, making emergency contraception available over-the-counter for millions of women – a real victory for women's health. I have also introduced the Prevention First Act, which increases funding for family planning services, ensures that health plans that cover prescription drugs cover contraceptives, improves education about emergency contraception, ensures that hospital emergency rooms offer emergency contraception to victims of sexual assault and strengthens Medicaid coverage of family planning services so family planning and contraception are accessible and affordable for low income women.
http://www.justhillary.com/herwords/roe0122.php

Those are just a couple of things that I think are important. I'm sure you could find more if you were truly interested which I'm sure you aren't.

Have a nice day.

[Carolina]

138. how cute

quoting her website and her words... ya know those "cheap" things

What will she go down on history for: is there a law with her name on it, ya know the Clinton something

[rodeodance]

65. that all you got?--name dropping. LAME

[Beausoir]

31. Of course she is right. He got busted.

He's phony. His entire campaign is built around flashy speechifying and now we see those pretty words aren't even his.

[TwilightGardener]

43. His "speechifying" only became an issue recently, actually.

[BlackVelvet04]

45. YEP....

and if I were an Obama supporter I would feel pretty foolish right about now.

One of his big pluses according to his supporters is his great speeches...shame they aren't his own.

[creeksneakers2]

115. And abstract symbols

of fantasies that will never be realized.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

24. Playing up this non-issue is disgusting

Is this the best Hillary can do?
Yes, Obama made a small mistake.
He acknowledged it.
He has in fact made worse mistakes.
And Clinton surely has made much worse mistakes, which she HAS NOT acknowledged.
This negative, smearing campaign over a non-issue is only helping McPain and debilitating the Democratic party as a whole.
Shame on Hillary Clinton.

[islandmkl]

25. Who wrote those words? Hillary herself? GMAFB!

It took WHOEVER wrote it long enough to get it in rotation.

[jackson_dem]

28. Thread recap: Obamites angrily attacking Hillary but not criticizing the substance of what she said

Why do Obamites have such difficulty defending their hero from attack? Can they not bear to see the messiah under fire or do they just not know enough about his record, policies to be able to use them to defend him?

[robbedvoter]

35. Yup. No one saying BO's campaign "isn't just about words". Just "Hillary stinks!"

[jackson_dem]

37. Just like members of a...

[GPSrulesall]

36. You Know...

The Obama people should wake up and realize...Barack is a big boy and I'm sure he can defend himself. So let's stop gang banging each other in attacks. From what I'm seeing they are attacking "non Obama believing" Democrats with the same religious furor a radical islamist would attack a non muslim.

[jackson_dem]

54. I agree with you. The religious zeal is frightening. It isn't a political movement. It's like a...

[thesubstanceofdreams]

44. There is NO SUBSTANCE in what she said, only smear

She said that his campaign is based on words. I call utter bullshit on that.
Was Obama wrong in not acknowledging his source? Yes. Is it a capital sin? Not a chance. Has he acknowledged his error? Yes. Aren't there many issues which actually affect people's lives to be discussed instead? You bet.
She's hopelessly playing up a non-issue ad nauseam because she must be desperate.

[jackson_dem]

56. She's right

Take away the slogans "hope and change", "politics of hope", "new kind of politics", "movement for change", "yes we can" (can WHAT? Notice there it stops at can. The what is never specified.), etc. Obama is a run of the mill politician who wouldn't have made it past Iowa.

[rodeodance]

118. "the media is finally examining my opponent"---love it.

[joshcryer]

29. Someone told her to side with the media on this one, pump up the media.

Great stuff. Al Gore lost in 2000 because he didn't like the media. Yet Bush had them on his plane and talked to them all the time and gave them complete coverage. You gotta schmooze with the media if you want to win.

[MethuenProgressive]

32. Lofty rhetoric, soaring slogans, and empty chants don't do much without actions.

[Carolina]

88. Like she has?!

[rodeodance]

94. Clinton says Obama speech flap shows media "finally" scrutinizing rival

[Radical Activist]

33. Is this her idea of talking about issues?

It looks to me like she's avoiding them. Just like her little game challenging Obama to more debates.

[Emillereid]

39. Petty! Petty! Petty!

[sniffa]

41. Finally, after having the Clintons and their surrogates scream bloody murder

that the media must cover this non-story, the media finally caves a little. Let's see who this works in favor for.

[LadyVT]

42. thank you!

[stillcool]

49. "It;s not us making this charge"...

.........:rofl: :rofl: Sorry Hillary!!

I wonder how she feels about the words: "I'm sorry"

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

[cali]

52. I feel sorry for her

She's just lousy at the attack stuff. She needs to be more subtle about it. We'll see if this works, but I doubt it.

[keep_it_real]

53. A few lines does not make his whole campaign void

Unless people are looking for an excuse. I'm just sorry he got busted on such a silly mistake.

[THUNDER HANDS]

55. you go grrrl

[rodeodance]

57. “Oh, that’s kind of a silly comparison. That’s a line that’s been around a long time.” YOU GO GAL

[anigbrowl]

66. ?!

So it doesn't count when it's her. Kind of like caucuses, red states, DNC delegate rules, people with a degree, independents...I get it.

Please, Hillary, keep saying stuff like that.

[Torgo Johnson]

58. She has some nerve talking about advisers

Maybe it is time for the blue-collar workers she is counting on in Ohio to find out all about Mark Penn. Why would a woman who claims to care so much about the plight of the worker hire a union-busting PR hack as her chief strategist? If this manufactured crap causes Obama to lose Hawaii or Wisconsin, he should come out the next day will a full out attack on her. If she wants to sling shit, she sure as hell better be ready to have it thrown back at her.

[rodeodance]

62. “Oh, that’s kind of a silly comparison.

A reporter for KGMB-TV, the CBS affiliate in Honolulu, asked Clinton whether she should face criticism over her use of the phrase “Fired up and ready to go,” a stock line of Obama’s, she replied: “Oh, that’s kind of a silly comparison. That’s a line that’s been around a long time.”

[ProSense]

64. So she's upset that Obama's words are effective and powerful she decided to launch a bogus attack?

http://www.oliverwillis.com/archives/2008/02/18/clintons-plagiarism-charge-fal">Blockbuster!

[rodeodance]

72. well, she got him to say he should be more careful. Seems he was listening to her advise

[ProSense]

77. She got him to say she went over the top! I call it desperation. n/t

[rodeodance]

96. ha ha--you know better than that. he said he should have been more careful

Clinton says Obama speech flap shows media "finally" scrutinizing rival

[Jackpine Radical]

69. Give. It. A. Rest.

It's over with, Hill. This nonsense ill becomes you.

[jeffrey_X]

70. BUT...the ClintonS are the only ones saying his entire candidacy is about words!!!

What the fuck am I missing.

Obama is not claiming that his entire candidacy is about words, the Clinton's are.

This doesn't make any sense.

[rodeodance]

71. GREAT ONE HILLLARY---ObamaUndergroud thinks they own this line. ---YOU told em!!

A reporter for KGMB-TV, the CBS affiliate in Honolulu, asked Clinton whether she should face criticism over her use of the phrase “Fired up and ready to go,” a stock line of Obama’s, she replied: “Oh, that’s kind of a silly comparison. That’s a line that’s been around a long time.”

[anigbrowl]

73. OK, so how far does it date back?

Oh, and Obama has never been shy about attributing it to Edith Childs - the story of how he discovered it (at a tiny community meeting in South Carolina he didn't really want to attend but had promised to) was a regular part of his stump speech.

[rodeodance]

98. no matter---she is right.

[BootinUp]

76. This is a real issue for discussion

Obama's rhetoric and his skill in delivering it is the main claim to fame that he has. If it is all or mostly all the product of Axelrod research and past campaigns, Obama will be pummeled on this in a GE. So he needs to address it now and convincingly so.

[tandem5]

79. She makes an effective point nt

[jeffrey_X]

106. How so? Obama has never claimed his entire candidacy was about words.

They are looking really desperate here.

[tandem5]

107. but the whole back-and-forth between the two was on words vs action...

and his retort was to speak of the power of words - but in borrowing another's words to make this point? - oh its just fraught with irony.

[BigDDem]

83. How dare they hold him up to scrutiny!

[GarbagemanLB]

85. Here ya go!

http://www.oliverwillis.com/archives/2008/02/18/clintons-plagiarism-charge-fal/

[Cha]

104. The real issue is hilary lying her

fucking head off and trying to weasel her way into the white house again..that's the real issue.

[BigDDem]

112. Spoken like a true BO supporter, classy!

By the way, it's Hillary, not Hilary

[donheld]

87. The more Hillary talks the more damage she does

To herself. She needs to shut the fuck up.

[City Lights]

90. His entire candidacy is about words?

Obama will "talk away" America's problems. No policies, no solutions. Just talk. :shrug: Who knew?

Clinton has become a :+.

:thumbsdown: to her and her candidacy.

[Cha]

91. My son on Kauai said the

analysts last night were saying..hilary's smears are going over like a fart in church and no one has time for her desperate attempts at distraction. The country is too interested in what the issues are.. not how desperate hilary is.

[snappyturtle]

92. Petty is as petty does. n/t

[rodeodance]

117. "the media is finally examining my opponent"---past time --expect more!

[Tarc]

105. Well-said, Mrs. Clinton!

:toast:

[DemGa]

114. Reason is speaking out; Thank You Sen. Clinton...nt

[creeksneakers2]

116. The Republicans certainly would have found out about this

and they would have used it to portray Obama as a phony. Its best to get this out now.

[DemzRock]

121. Yep! Get this out NOW!

I rather prefer Clinton mainly because I am nostalgic for the 90s (a time where everything was getting better economically for the vast majority of America), BUT I will vote any Dem over the Double-talk Express of McCain.

But really guys, this is called... POLITICS! Get used to it! If BO gets the nomination, he will face FAR worse than this from the conservative media.

[JVS]

129. strike "words", insert "record", adjust for singular noun, send back

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

133. That's A Spot On Point From Her.

The rabid out of their mind Obama supporters may hate her saying so, but it is 100% valid.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

136. true that