What Obama people and the DNC do NOT realize is that the democratic party ground runners are..

[cd3dem]

disgusted and will be disengaged from the party after this! I am a party ground runner and am one of the active local members... without people like myself... there will be no literature dropped at your door... no one making calls.. no plans.. no fund raisers... no events.. and we who are on the ground..... are not happy with our election being jacked....

#1 I blame Dean for allowing the media and Obama to slash and burn the Clintons on race... swiftboating gone a muck in the party...

#2 The media for not doing what they are paid to do, give the news!

#3 Obama staging himself by giving phony speeches and I bet busing in attendees..

#4 Obama creating rage among the democrats that if not elected, his supporters will not vote..

#5 Dean, the DNC, and Obama disenfranchising Michigan and Florida

#6 The democrats who continue to cheer when republicans fix the race by crossing party lines and voting for Obama...

#7 Disgusted with the tactics of the Obama people at caucuses and at democrat events, such as disrupting Clinton rallies.

#8 Super-Delegates who have a score to settle.

#9 Uninformed voters.

#10 (what else is left?) The loss of my human rights when McCain is our next president...

[DJ13]

1. I dont blame you for being bitter after losing 9 contests in a row

Keep your spirits up, Hawaii comes late tonight.

[ret5hd]

5. Do you think hawaii will count?

[DJ13]

6. "Do you think hawaii will count?"

lol
:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

36. Are they on the MainHillaryLand?

Don't think so! :shrug:

[roguevalley]

84. Dean made us 'little' states relevent. I love him for that. Always will.

[Moh96]

125. make that 10

[Riley133]

148. Reason # 6,798 why I will sit at home in November. nt

[Bicoastal]

2. I'm getting really sick of people blaming Obama for "dividing the party."

As if it was Hillary's right to win and his obligation to lose.

Hillary is just as responsible for that as he is, if not more.

[Yurovsky]

51. agree 100%...

the bottom line is that politics can be bloodsport, and Obama & Co. have been using small arms compared to the nukes the Clinton camp has been tossing about. Nobody is untainted in this, and that's the way it goes sometimes (ask John McCain how nice the Bushies were in South Carolina back in 2000). But for the HRC fan club to boo-hoo over their treatment at the hands of Sen. Obama is just plain laughable. Isn't she running around saying how "tough" she is, how she can "take a punch" (might want to check with Bill on that), and how O'bambi will get slaughtered by the GOP? Puh-leeeeez.

Hillary's problem is that she is the second coming of Richard Nixon when it comes to secrecy and wanting to maintain total control over everything in her orbit. Her campaign staff is afraid to do anything on their own, for fear of pissing off Queen Hillary. Sounds like the Nixon White House, circa 1972 when no one dared tell Tricky to spill the beans on the plumbers, but rather let him stonewall and coverup until it cost him his presidency.

I for one don't want to see HRC on the ballot in November. I think McCain & the GOP can beat her. I don't think they can touch Obama.

If you want a democrat in the WH, vote Obama. If you want another 8 years of GOP rule, well, you can vote McCain, or Hillary in the primary - the net result will be the same.

[rox63]

61. Despite the nukes that the Clinton camp has been tossing

Obama has been winning using only the small arms. He's saving the big guns for McCain this fall.

[Yurovsky]

124. It's the smart play ...

and I still think he'll come out as "less negative" after going up against McCain in November. He's simply run a smarter campaign than anybody else, in either party, thus far. I fully expect that to continue.

While there may be folks on DU that don't mind the harsher side of campaigns, I have a sense that the average run of the mill independent or fence-sitting Dem/GOP voter will be turned off if either candidate goes hard-core negative, which I fully expect the GOP to do (especially running against a black man). The contrast between hope & hate will be pretty easy to see for far greater than 50% of the electorate. I think Obama could win huge, and possibly even expand the Senate majority >60 (and be able to get things done for a change).

[LiberalFighter]

73. Why is Hillary responsible? Because he thinks that women should not be in power?

[mckeown1128]

79. WOW another Clinton supporter shouting "he's a sexist"...

just because Clinton loses ANOTHER primary.

[MH1]

151. Another so-called "liberal" from the make-shit-up wing of the party.

THAT's what's divisive.

ETA: referring to the poster you responded to, of course.

[MH1]

150. Got a link to where he said that? Otherwise you are a LIAR.

And a few other foul things besides.

[Kittycat]

3. That shouldn't be a problem, given that HRC hasn't run a grass roots campaign anyway.

That's Obama. :)

And PS. You're wrong and out of line. Don't be a sore loser, choking on sour grapes isn't a good thing.

[BeatleBoot]

14. I don't think it's sour grapes.

I think he's just stating facts.

And I'm hearing a growing chorus if it.

If its McCain vs. Obama, you can put Michigan in the Republican column.

Guaranteed.

[Kittycat]

18. Wrong.

How is McCain going to spin the money being shelled out for the war, for people that have none due to the Clinton decision to go forward and support Nafta? Once Obama campaigns there - it will be over with for McCain.

[BeatleBoot]

49. Too funny!

"How is McCain going to spin the money being shelled out for the war.."

That's easy: Barack Obama.

No spinning required. His opponent did it for him.

Game. Set. Match. It's over before it even started.

And the Nafta thing. Michiganians understand the Bushies aren't enforcing the side agreements.

[cd3dem]

48. I can deal with a fair campaign... this isn't even close...

the corrupt BS from the media and the vile venom from Obama is more than I can take... he is not a uniter at all.. I have never felt this upset by any candidate in my life...

I actually can't believe myself...

I have seen things that make me wonder how we can call ourselves a democracy and that we have fair elections...

voter fraud...

divisive tactics for personal gain!!!

when you work on the inside vs. sitting at home... you see crap and hear crap!!!

Our country is screwed!!!!

[Carolina]

93. vile venom from Obama?!

you really need some meds for your delusions

[xmas74]

59. I've heard the same from friends in 5 different

counties in MO. If it's Obama vs McCain quite a few will go Repub.

I will not but I think some here should realize that this could happen.

[Riley133]

153. Here in Ohio, too, but nobody's listening

They assume the primary 'sweeps' guarantee a November victory. What they don't realize is that many voting for him in the primaries have expressed that they have no intention of voting for him in November - when it really counts.

Not to mention that I've only just started reading and have been wholly offended. How can I be under 50 and ready to be put to pasture?

[xmas74]

157. I've been a Dem for as long as I can remember

and have always backed my parties' candidate. I'm not a FReeper, I'm not a troll-I'm just here to express the views that I hear every single day. I'm here to express the views of the moderates from the Midwest.

Few have stated that they will vote for him in November. Quite a few have stated that they will vote for her if she is the nom because, as one old farmer put it "(she) seems like a ballbuster-exactly what we need running our office." OTOH, they've stated that Obama doesn't "have enough experience" and that he should "come back in 8-12 (years) for another go." I've heard more than a few state that they will pick McCain before him because of his strong military views. (I live in a military town.)

I think this will be a divider. I don't know what to do anymore.

[BlackVelvet04]

83. And Virginia. n/t

[Divernan]

81. OP and his/her ilk have been ineffective & we're well rid of them

We don't NEED the old-style party hacks & the old way of doing things
And it wasn't THEIR election to be highjacked. See, this is a primary. That means multiple people get to put their names forward.
To the OP:
If your "ground runners" are acting in some official Dem party capacity during a primary, and yet chose to devote yourselves to a single candidate, that was your incorrect choice. Now you're terrified that if Clinton doesn't get the party's nomination, you will be replaced. And I think that's a good thing. Because your whole approach to campaigning is about ten years out of date. Clinton with her $2,000 a head fundraiser dinners, and her overpaid consultants, and her free coffee mugs if people sign vote promises. Have you figured out yet that it didn't work?

Obamas people have gotten out MORE literature, made MORE calls, made BETTER plans, raised MORE funds, had BETTER, more EFFECTIVE events, opened MORE offices and generally run multiple rings around the Clinton campaign. YOu know how politics work. You could have stayed neutral through the primary. But you chose a side. If your side loses, hasta la vista whatever your oh-so-important little title, and your state committee meetings, etc.

The last two presidential campaigns I worked on in PA, the Ward Chairs did next to nothing in my area. Most of them were too old to get out and hustle. They did NOT hand out literature even in their own neighborhoods, let alone elsewhere. They did not have a network to get yardsigns out. The extent of their "efforts" was to let us put a yard sign in their own yard. About all they do for elections is show up for the free election night parties.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

94. Nice.

Laughed at the yard sign, too. :)

[Riley133]

149. Do you WANT people to vote Republican cause they're pissed? Is that what you really want? nt

[madfloridian]

4. You lost on this sentence.

"#1 I blame Dean for allowing the media and Obama to slash and burn the Clintons on race... swiftboating gone a muck in the party..."

Do you realize how odd that sounds?

[cd3dem]

23. I don't drink Kool-aid so no!

When the media played Bill Clinton at a rally and edited out most of his speech to make it sound racist... where was Dean? three days later after everyone thought Bill said Obama was a fairy tale.. they played the context which revealed... Bill was talking about his stand on the Iraq war.. fair criticism...

but by then the fuel was fired and everyone was ready to burn Bill and Hillary for racism! and Obama sat back and lapped up the support... tearing the party in two!!!! played the race card and kept pulling them out of his sleeve..

It wasn't until Obama had the Black vote wrapped up before he called it off and never stood up and said.. it was media slander!

and the media decided to continue and Obama the dog he is lapped it up!!!

DEAN and OBAMA lost all my support!!!

[madfloridian]

130. Where is Dean? Acting like chairman and handling things privately.

Not lecturing the candidates publicly.

MMMMMM I Love kool aid.

[last1standing]

7. Taking your ball and going home, huh?

What an immature, selfish, non-Democratic thing to do. I can honestly say that I'm a little disgusted with this O/P and the person who posted it.

[BeatleBoot]

17. Get used to it

I'm hearing it on the street everywhere I go.

[last1standing]

30. Honestly, I don't care which Dem wins so long as it's a Dem who wins.

I supported Edwards and think that both remaining candidates are shallow comparisons to him, but I'm not going to cry all over the internet that my guy lost and threaten to hold back my support for the better person in the general election. It's not only childish, it's self destructive.

I remember a time when there were far fewer stupid people at DU.

[Cha]

32. Yeah, liked I'd

believe you.

[BeatleBoot]

53. Sorry that you don't believe me.

But that's the way these things go I guess.

[PassingFair]

103. You and I are walking different streets in the same state.

Maybe you're in LANSING.

You need to get out more.

[cd3dem]

26. how much time have you spent on the ground for a candidate?

[last1standing]

39. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!

How much time have you spent out of your parents' basement?

In other words, what does that matter to you? You've already said that you won't help anyone but your precious candidate so you have no place to question anybody.

[BeatleBoot]

63. Leave him alone.

He can post what he wants - when he wants.

And he has every right to ask that question.

[last1standing]

72. "Leave Britney alone!!!" LOL

He does have every right to ask that question....and I have every right to slap him down for being a petulant ass.

Funny how that works, huh?

[BeatleBoot]

80. As long as we know the basis

of everyone's character.

I'd side with someone who has worked years on the ground for Democrats any day. That's kind of where my character is, too.

[last1standing]

97. LOL! You're on the side of the person who agrees with you.

You've assumed that you know my status as a campaigner and you've assumed things about my character to suit your need for self approval. Because of this, I assume you're a pretty sad individual on a day to day basis.

I side with those who don't need to try to piss on everyone else's parade. I'm afraid we're on different sides.

[cd3dem]

143. It's not about winning or losing. It is about how you play the game!!!!

My candidate rarely wins, but I go on... it is the dirty meanness and swift-boating of our own party people that I dislike...

it is republicans crossing over and picking our nominee I dislike...

voter fraud in our state and more... I said how I feel... I never said... wah wah my person lost...

my time is too valuable to play dirty politics...

[BeatleBoot]

145. Norah O'Donnell on MSNBC said 1/3 of Obama Voters so far in all primaries have been Republicans

[cd3dem]

147. No doubt! And our super-delegates have been threatened to do so as well!

Makes me sick!!!

[BeatleBoot]

159. I'm with you and everyone I know is with you.

Makes me sick, too!

:puke:

[Generic Brad]

100. I've seen tons of Obama people on the ground

But no Clinton people. I received campaign literature from the Obama camp. Nothing from the Clinton camp. On my way to my caucus Obama people were handing out stickers and urging people to vote for the best Democratic candidate. There was no organizational presence by the Clinton staff outside my caucus.

This is an election, not a coronation. Obama supporters in my neighborhood showed up and made an effort. They have a ground game in St Paul, MN. Clinton's is invisible. Obama earned my caucus vote.

[Carolina]

96. ditto

Team Hillary is losing and blames any and everyone instead of looking in the FUCKING MIRROR!

[cali]

Oh, this is just lame from 1 through 9

and your blaming Dean for anything is beyond pathetic. What YOU don't realize is how insignificant you are. There will be plenty of people to take your place. You aren't important at all.

[cd3dem]

spoken like an Obama zombie

real grown-up... actually I am our precinct chair and was asked to run for SD Chair... hahaha

[judaspriestess]

90. You aren't important at all

and neither are you. Just another insignificant pee on like the rest of us in this big game.

[cali]

126. Yes, but I know it. I know this election is not about me

and I'd vote for either of them without the endless whinging. Thank god I was brought up better than that.

[Occam Bandage]

8. It seems that Obama has done very well with the grassroots so far. Clinton, not so much.

[cd3dem]

29. the grassroots in my area supports Hillary...the people who came out for Obama are ???

[BeatleBoot]

66. I'd venture to say ....

Republicans

[Emit]

118. Oh please. "The" grassroots?

each candidate has their own grassroots. It's not just Hillary's to have.

[juajen]

9. I agree

The Party is to blame for this. Open primaries and caucuses are just plain stupid. Well, America, once again, you just might get the President you deserve. I'm really tired of fighting this. It's an American Idol country.

Edit: Not quitting, just not stressing.

[RiverStone]

10. Fine --- sit on your ass and passively help the pukes this fall...

I empathize with being frustrated Hillary is again getting her ass kicked; but for those of us who plan to keep up the good fight --- why post shit like this???

How will your attitude help the Dems win the GE?

Leave it at home please.

[gateley]

11. You can only speak for yourself - not ALL the groundrunners. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Where is the UnGreatest Page? Unk&Unr

[calmblueocean]

116. I needed a good laugh! Thanks for that. n/t

[Hill_YesWeWill]

13. I notice you don't mention Clinton, it's not possible Clinton could have No fault in the

problems you list, it's just highly improbable

[gerrilea]

15. I share your anger...president McCain will finish what *ush started

the complete destruction of our country and constitution...


Great post...:yourock:

[cd3dem]

50. Obama people are annoying and ruining the party... helping to elect McCain!!!

[RummyTheDummy]

16. Fuck off

Given the way Hillary has run her campaign, what could possibly make you think she and her minions could execute a GE campaign with any real hope for success? Her campaign has been a disaster. She has been out flanked at virtually every turn. From themes to money. If I didn't know better, I'd think it was Bob Shrum behind the curtain.

[Webster Green]

19. Total load of crap!

Top to bottom...BULLSHIT!

Was this a serious post?:rofl:

[backscatter712]

20. This will be entertaining.

The Clintonistas will be flailing and wailing all the way until Texas and Ohio.

What's this I hear from their campaign?

Singing? Der Ring des Nibelungen perhaps? Brünnhilde is riding to Siegfried's pyre!

[cd3dem]

54. HELLO... Earth to Obama Zombie... I have been an active no pay volunteer for 20 years!

I am not a Hillary Clinton anything! I am a proud democrat who has lost their faith in democracy when the media and Obama can play dirty tactics...

I have helped many democrats get elected including Wellstone!!!

He would never have played the race card or dirty politics to get elected!

Read the post!

[anamandujano]

21. I totally agree but I'm starting to think that the party as is deserves

to go down. How did we manage to get so much stupid to join and get control?

Nobody seems to be thinking.

Let independents and Repukes wait until the general. If they don't want to join the party, they shouldn't get the right to meddle.

[backscatter712]

22. Oops, sorry about the dupe. Deleted.

[kikiek]

24. What I'm hearing and seeing here they don't need any of Hillary's supporters IF Obama wins.

Let em do without then.

[last1standing]

47. Self destruction doesn't suit you.

But you go ahead and have your little pouting session.

I haven't backed a winning nominee for the GE in the twenty years I've been voting, but I've always managed to get to the polls and vote for a Democrat in November. But I guess you're nominee is so special and perfect that voting for anyone else would be worse than letting a repub into office. It almost sounds like you consider Clinton to be a messiah or something......

[kikiek]

56. I'm not pouting. I'm keeping my options open. Actually I'm messiah proof. Explains the lack of

enthusiasm for a less than qualified candidate. Compound that with beyond obnoxious followers I'm hoping for Nader to pop back up.

[last1standing]

75. Put them in the dark and there's no difference to me.

The only candidates talking about real issues were weeded out ages ago. Now we're left with two lesser choices who can only be considered because they are both miles ahead of McCain. Of course, voting for Nader because your flavor didn't win isn't pouting at all. It'll be just the thing to teach those assholes who didn't do things exactly your way. :eyes:

[cd3dem]

58. didn't read post... just like you don't listen to issues... not a Hillary person... a democrat!

[kikiek]

70. Yah I know the issues and that is the problem I know he doesn't have solutions.

[Fiendish Thingy]

25. What's a "ground runner"? Is it like "boots on the ground"?

If so, I'm not worried if all of Hillary's "ground runners" stay home...Obama has plenty of boots on the ground, as I got half a dozen calls in the weekend leading up to election day (in CA), and witnessed 4-5 people that I'm pretty sure were Obama folks who were tracking voters at my polling place.

For the record, I'm not an Obama nor Hillary supporter. I just don't see it the way you do.

[cd3dem]

43. if you do not know what it takes to get someone elected.. then you have not participated...

I have campaigned for many candidates.. Obama people are only for Obama... what about your local reps? your state senator, U.S. congress, U.S. Senate... who works for them...

people like me every election...

and this time... I may be done... politics have never been so dirty and so corrupt!!!

and Obama people are not in my party!

[Exilednight]

55. It's not like Obama is running and knocking on doors himself...

...he must have someone doing it for him.

That would be me - a 20 year member of the Democratic party.

I'm sure if I said I wouldn't do it for Hillary, she would probably just find someone else.

[Moochy]

114. apparently its a self-important self-selected

insider.

[PretzelWarrior]

27. WTF??!??! You're an idiot and a sore loser

[HeraldSquare212]

28. There will be ten added for the one lost.

[mmonk]

31. What's a ground runner may I ask?

And remember, this whole front loaded primary was set up to give your candidate a knock out blow to the competition.

[PretzelWarrior]

35. apparently someone who locks into fetal position and sucks thumb

when they don't get their way.

[HeraldSquare212]

117. LOL

[BringBigDogBack]

33. I admit, I stopped reading at #1....

I can't swallow large amounts of bullshit at once. Sorry.

[Roland99]

34. Someone call the WAHMBULANCE!!

[Johnny__Motown]

37. So, you won't help Obama win and you complain that McCain will. logical I guess

Like shooting yourself in the foot and expecting sympathy because you can't walk.



Obama has far more supporters than Hillary, go ahead and cry in your beer. This party will be just fine without you.

[Carolina]

102. "Like shooting yourself in the foot and

expecting sympathy because you can't walk." Great one!

And so true. Team Hillary is going down and blames any and everyone rather than look in the mirror!

[razors edge]

38. Could be worse,

Clinton could win and gave you a position in her administration.

That would be worse, much worse.

[Tesha]

40. That's funny -- here in NH, the feet on the ground were mostly disgusted by Clinton.

That's funny -- here in NH, all the party big-wigs (Whigs?)
were for her Hillaryness, but the feet on the ground were
mostly disgusted by Clinton and working for just about
anyone else.

Tesha

[SoxFan]

141. Tesha is right

Hilalry had the Shaheen hacks and some NARAL types, but most activists went with other candidates. A lot of people who fit the "Clinton demographic" (more conservative, older Democrats) actually volunteered for Richardson.

[redstate_democrat]

41. Ooohhh

Looks like someone has taken too many sips of Hillary's

PRUNE JUICE!

Prune juice drinkers!

"I kid, I kid".

[Medusa]

42. So Obama is the end of the Democratic party huh?

Well you got one thing right-if the Clinton's don't stop their negative tactics, it WILL BE the end of this party.

[Tesha]

44. That's funny -- here in NH, the feet on the ground were mostly disgusted by Clinton.

That's funny -- here in NH, all the party big-wigs (Whigs?)
were for her Hillaryness, but the feet on the ground were
mostly disgusted by Clinton and working for just about
anyone else.

Tesha

[Beregond2]

45. Jacked...

"...our election being jacked." That says it all, doesn't it? It's not YOUR election, honey. It belongs to the PEOPLE. There are thousands of Obama supporters who are signing up to be ground runners all over the country. We aren't dependent on you.

You are a perfect example of the arrogance that has led to Hillary's downfall as a candidate.

[progressive_realist]

46. You forgot your sarcasm smilie. n/t

[matcom]

52. a bigger disgrace to party ground runners there is none

:thumbsup:

[demo dutch]

57. I'm with you, Already resigned to 4yrs of McCain. The country & Dems are out to lunch!

and they'll get what they deserve. All of the volunteers I know feel exactly the same way

[cd3dem]

60. finally someone with a reality check... we are screwed and the ones who are really celebrating

are the republicans!!!!!

[demo dutch]

62. Obama will be to the Left Dems, what GWB has become to the right

[cd3dem]

67. Obama is going to bring a sure thing to a disastrous loss...

[demo dutch]

77. I've said it over and over, It's ours to lose, Only the Dems can screw this one up! and we will

[cd3dem]

139. Dean figured it was in the bag and allowed us to self-implode

[Khaotic]

64. You're Ate Up Dude

What have you been smokin'?

That may be your thoughts, but you don't speak for the Democratic Party or all those involved in their local county Democratic parties.

I'm one of those people and I must tell you Towelie, you need to get a grip.

[cd3dem]

69. I speak for many... and just like Oprah brought a phony towel/author

she brought us a phony speaker/candidate

[Khaotic]

78. Many?

Who, the people you speak to in your head?

Freak.



Go tell your mommy about the mean people on the Internets!

[Cheeseburger Walrus]

65. You should...

probably get back on the short bus and and hope the charitable city you live in flavors the windows cherry style.

[TexasObserver]

68. Progressives have gotten out for Bill, Al and John, but NOW you're balking at Barack?!

pfffft

I've held my nose and voted the nominee many times. I wanted Jesse in '84, but I got Mondale.

[sendero]

71. Call a wwaaaaahhhhhmmmbulance...

... what a bunch of whining bullshit.


BLAME HILLARY, SHE FUCKED UP, SHE WOULD NOT DISAVOW THE IRAQ WAR. Dumbass.

[Carolina]

101. exactly

The whining OP seems to suggest that HRC would be better (a winner)? But HRC's negatives are tremendous, her campaign has sucked and many people just don't like her. If she is the nominee, she will unite the GOP in a way that McCain can only dream of, exhibit A below:

"... the Angry White Man loathes Hillary Clinton. Her voice reminds him of a shovel scraping a rock. He recoils at the mere sight of her on television. Her very image disgusts him, and he cannot fathom why anyone would want her as their leader. It’s not that she is a woman. It’s that she is who she is...

There are many millions of Angry White Men. Four million Angry White Men are members of the National Rifle Association, and all of them will vote against Hillary Clinton, just as the great majority of them voted for George Bush.

He hopes that she will be the Democratic nominee for president in 2008, and he will make sure that she gets beaten like a drum.

http://www.aspentimes.com/article/2008198091324

[greguganus]

74. Good! I'm tired of getting all that hillary crap on my doorstep and all those calls anyway. n/t

[OnionRing Sasquatch]

76. Perhaps Ms. Clinton...

would have more supporters if she didn't bring them in on the short bus. And hasn't Dean been through enough, let roaring dogs lie, amen. Besides right now the Obama camp is running onion rings around Hillary's campaign.

[Robeson]

82. Your post is garbage.

[Autumn Colors]

85. Hahahahaha! Arrogant much?

"I am a party ground runner and am one of the active local members... without people like myself... there will be no literature dropped at your door... no one making calls.. no plans.. no fund raisers... no events.. and we who are on the ground..... are not happy with our election being jacked...."
--------------------------

Do you really think that if you refuse to be a ground runner that you won't be replaced by twice as many of the young -- now energized -- Obama supporters? You know, those kids who are first-time voters and are very excited now?

Trust me, hon ... if you quit and go home, lots of Obama supporters will step in and do all the things you listed above.

Oh, and don't label me with some word like "cult member". I'm an Edwards supporter and I still voted for Edwards AFTER he dropped out.

Your post is laughable in that you think you are absolutely irreplaceable. That no Obama supporter could ever load his or her car with stacks of literature and deliver them to a list of addresses.

[saltpoint]

86. Democratic voters in multiple states across all demographic groups

disagree with you strongly.

[LadyVT]

87. Yes, totally agree -- the Dems are dead this year, they just don't know it yet

[zulchzulu]

88. Obama grassroots supporters would kick your ass if you try to steal this election

Your tinfoil hat is a little smushed on the side.

See you in the streets.

[Carolina]

89. you need medication

[Straight Shooter]

91. I don't know what to say.

:hug:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

92. It's exactly the opposite where I am. The majority of us activists are for Obama.

The Clinton campaign could barely scrape together 20 volunteers to do phoning and canvassing prior to Super Tuesday. There are many of us will do absolutely nothing for her if she's the nominee.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

95. Who do you think has been doing all that work for Obama up to now?

Duh.

[yellowcanine]

98. You may not be running a ground game out there for Obama but someone is.

And you got out ground gamed. You think it is going to stop after the primaries? No.

[K Gardner]

99. Guess what? There will be tens of thousands ready to pick up your slack.. and ready to work for us

and for the Party with vim and vigor and enthusiasm.. and Hope. Enjoy your retirement. Your attitude is exactly what we don't need. But I hear the other side is looking for a few bitter, partisan people.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

104. I hear you and am with Hillary totally...it isn't over

[democrattotheend]

105. The Clintons hadn't treated Dean like shit

and worked behind the scenes to undermine him when he ran for president. Payback's a bitch, I guess.

[jbm]

106. I agree 100%..

I don't know where you're from, but I'm a county vice chair in a rural county, and people here are seriously not going to vote for Obama. I know many will say it's a racist thing, but they're wrong. It's an experience thing. I had a long convo with several local Democrats today, and we were all on the same page.

An experienced, qualified leader can stand far enough away from a situation to see all the implications of whatever actions are taken. Bush got us into a lot of these messes because he would look at something from such a shortsighted perspective that he couldn't see all the repercussions of his actions. Obama has shown that same lack of distance on numerous occasions. It may seem meaningless to many people, but the one that sticks in my mind was when he was talking about how the delegates should reflect the voters choice, without having a well prepared answer for the obvious next question concerning Kennedys superdelegate vote. If he could miss something that obvious, why should I assume he would do better with things more complex?

We may not like the destination McCain offers, but at least we know he will get us to a bad place safely. Something like that we can change later, but we're to close to the edge to allow incompetence and inexperience to hold power any longer.

[x-g.o.p.er]

107. 1. Blame the Clinton's for injecting race into this, not Dean...

2. The media is what it is. If Hillary didn't act like she was sauntering to her coronation, there wouldn't have been as much grab-assing of Obama as there has been.

3. Obama is a phenomenon and doesn't need to bus in anyone. Hillary, on the other hand, has been doing that regularly since New Hampshire.

4. The Clinton's have been doing their damndest to fracture this party based on their campaigning, and when you sew the wind, you reap the fuckin' whirlwind.

5. Which Hillary wholeheartedly endorsed when she was the 30 point front runner.

6. Again, that attitude was planted by the Clinton's and the crap they pulled in South Carolina.

7. Can't speak to that, my state is a primary state and haven't been to any speeches or rallies.

8. Super delegates can vote for who they want, and politicians being naturally fickle will go with a winner, because they don't want to be left in the cold. Again, the attitude of the super delegates is directly proportional to their reaction the party faithful as the two campaigns evolved, and Hillary's campaign evolved into a litany of lies, distortions, and bullshit.

9. The voters are VERY informed, and didn't choose Hillary. Suck it up.

10. Obama wins 40 states and the popular vote 55-45 in November.

[ShortnFiery]

108. OMG! How 'bout a big bowl of sour grapes Lucy?

[TriMetFan]

109. I agree with you up to one point.

I blame both Obama and Hillary plus The Democratic Party for this screwed up election. I'm really thinking of voting for The Green Party if Cynthia McKinney is nominated. She introduced Articles of Impeachment against George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Condoleezza Rice on December 8, 2006. She has always been against the Iraq war. So if things don't get better, and this fighting and pointing fingers between Obama and Hillary doesn't stop, I might jump ship. Also I really don't care who wins the nomination, I just want the the two kids to stop fighting. Is that to much to ask?

[stillcool]

110. oh god...where've you been?

when did we have a media? Actually we have more informed voters than we ever have before, because we now have the internets...or at least some of us use the information available. Howard Dean? Oh boy.

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.

Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

[RememberWellstone]

111. Excellant!

No Obama kool-aid for me!!

[Moochy]

112. good riddance to self-important ground runners

Maybe you "ground runners" should run along.

[quakerboy]

113. "ground runners" are important

I like that we will be gaining so many new ones if Obama is the nominee. I regret that some might be turned off, but if there is no room for the new, we stagnate.

[LordJFT]

115. Hillary could never dream of having the kind of ground team Obama has

[Lisa0825]

133. EXACTLY!!!

If the "old" ground runners are going to leave the party pouting due to some misplaced sense of blame, then it will be up to the incredibly organized ground forces the Obama campaign has built to carry on without them.

[smiley_glad_hands]

119. Rove would be proud of this post. n/t

[mzmolly]

120. So Obama supporters don't drop literature? And, Howard Dean now controls the Clintons?

Sorry, you lost me immediately.

[workinclasszero]

121. Aww....

Sour grapes

The phrase is sometimes also used to refer to one expressing, in an unsportsmanlike or ungracious way, anger or frustration at having failed to acquire something (i.e. being a "sore loser"), regardless of whether the party denies their desire for the item (i.e. hypothetical girl Joumanna being jealous of the fact that no one buys her lunch). Not including the denial of desire is technically a slipshod extension of the metaphor because it is inconsistent with the phrase's origin in the fable and the notion of the grapes being declared "sour". <1>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour_grapes

[Splinter Cell]

122. Bullshit

This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen on this board. Why is it that some people have such a hard-on for the Clinton machine that they are blinded even when reality smacks them in the face?

CLINTON made race an issue in this campaign.
CLINTON is the candidate the republicans most want to face because they whould DESTROY her. Live with it.

The voters are not uninformed, they're tired of the same bullshit that they've been forced to choke down for GENERATIONS. They want something new.

Michigan and Florida didn't follow the rules. It was not a contest. No delegates. LIVE WITH IT. If Obama stood to gain the most delegates from those two states, Hillary sure wouldn't be all worried about "disenfranchising" those states.

What we have is Hillary and her supporters are pissed off because voters want a real choice, not the same back and fourth ping-pong politics that they would get with Clinton. The crap, the baggage, the lies, the scandels, it's all killing America, and the Clintons have been right in the thick of it.

We're moving on. If you want to come along, great. If not, get the fuck out of the way.

[Major Hogwash]

123. Don't pay any attention to him. Ground runners can be replaced pretty easily.

Decent Presidential candidates can't be.

Oh, and welcome to DU.

[Skidmore]

127. Well, I'm taking your place.

Evolve or become extinct.

[Moh96]

128. why don't you take your sorry ass back to loser camp

who cares if you are disgusted
a new generation is born and its full with new hope for this country
Thats what matter

[MaineDem]

129. Thanks for all your work on campaigns

Although I have never heard the term "ground-runner" but that's okay.

I disagree with most of your points, actually all of them.

Especially, how did Obama disenfranchise Florida and Michigan? Seems to me those state parties are responsible for the loss of delegates. Maybe you weren't paying attention to that discussion.

[cd3dem]

135. If Obama had won FLorida and Michigan he would want them seated. The rule was stupid to start!

The system we have doesn't work. Here we are with the republicans pretty much done and able to vote for whomever. In Wisconsin more than twice the votes were cast for democrats than republicans. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that many republicans voted for a democrat, Obama. It gets really annoying to hear people say, that they have switched because they too are inspired. It may be one thing to say, I am glad for my candidate but I do not like this for the party and I wish it would not happen.

Republicans voting in primaries for democrats pick the one they think they can beat. Sometimes they might vote against the one they dislike more but more often they are trying to win. Reality shows have taught this technique. Vote the strong one off the island.

I am a single parent with 4 kids. I have gone out through-out the election cycle to help our locals and other candidates. I go to poor neighborhoods with high democratic populations on voting days to get out the vote. I help drive people to the polls who have no ride.

I can live with a fair campaign, but this is the dirtiest I have seen. Voter fraud and everything. My time is worth too much for this. Slander!

You may not agree with my post, but it is my reality... and our senate
district chair and I feel the same... not all Obama people are working dirty but it is out there... and I am not proud to be a democrat when I see it!!!

[MaineDem]

154. I can understand what you're saying but what does it have to do with the DNC rule?

I think that rule was very fair. Here are the dates; work within that framework. Forty eight states and the territories worked within the rules. But that's been hashed over a lot here and I really don't want to get too deep into it again.

Seriously, I appreciate your hard work. I respect your reality but I also think that Democrats will come together once we have a nominee and work hard to do what we really need to do - elect Democratic candidates.

[cd3dem]

156. I am tired of the primary system... we live in a country that values states rights!

but not if you are in the democratic party! stupid rule to start and stupid to unseat an important seat such as Florida and Michigan!!!!

self-destructive!!!!

common happening in our party!!!

should rename myself "TiredOfLosing"

[robbedvoter]

131. They don't need you - or me. They can purge the party now - all their new friends

will replace us. because they, just like the MSM - just loooove Obama.

[cd3dem]

134. Love your name! I feel my time is too valuable to give when dirty players are on the field

I can handle my candidate not winning... I voted for Edwards in 2004 but was happy to work for Kerry...

As an insider I have heard of voter fraud, rules at caucuses being disregarded and I am not proud to be a democrat amongst some of these people.

I think it is pretty bad when Dean has not done anything to moderate the candidates and make them run a fair campaign on the issues...

When democrats swiftboat democrats... and republicans voting in our primaries and caucuses decide our nominee, then I will not give my time to help...

At best I will work for one local candidate, I know to be honest.

[snooper2]

132. Thanks....you can take your ball and go home now...

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[Political Heretic]

136. Wow that's the biggest pile of sour grapes I've ever read.

I'm on a zero-tolerance kick today.

This isn't the first time I've seen you acting like a jackass, so you get to go on my ignore list.

Don't feel bad, I've put an Obama supporter on my ignore list today too.

I'm tired of assholes. It's that simple.

[Indenturedebtor]

137. Huh what?

Oh, oh my. You know it's such a shame that Hillary has lost this race. I mean really she's been using such wonderful tactics the whole time.

If only we all weren't such kool-aid drinking morons we would agree with you that HRC was the bestest politician EVER!

[SoxFan]

138. Go take your Geritol

Translation: "I'm a party hack, and these nasty kids are moving in on my turf. Gol dang them and their loud music and hula hoops!"

[grantcart]

140. My CD sent 10 folks to Texas to run the ground until Mar 4 and we are a rep

district. Thanks for all of your help but it seems that you are not very interested in what the party wants but just advancing your own candidates. I got a feeling that Obama can help bring some folks to walk around -

[blm]

142. I blame Bill Clinton for deep-sixing all the outstanding matters GHWBush was cornered on

by Jan 1993.

a few HONEST Democrats worked for years and risked their careers and their lives uncovering Bush and his cronies illegal operations.

Bill Clinton came into office and SIDED with protecting Bush and those cronies by honoring their secrecy and privilege and deep-sixing all the outstanding matters pending in IranContra, Iraqgate, BCCI and CIA drugrunning operations.


That protection throughout the 90s led directly to Bush2, 9-11 and this Iraq war.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

You LIKE how that worked out for this country?

[freestyle]

144. Obama's ground game is why we are winning. The OP is BS.

I've worked on every election since 1984, when I was 12 and going door to door for Jesse Jackson and then Mondale/Ferraro. There are many experienced and committed field operatives supporting Obama, and who will support Clinton if she is the nominee. What will you do if Obama is the nominee.

[Arugula Latte]

146. Oh, BS.

The superior ground/volunteer operation is why Obama is kicking Hillary's ass two ways to Sunday.

[NMMatt]

152. Wow... what an insane list -nt

[Blarch]

155. Oh please.

It's over, get over it.

[ellisonz]

158. Is this satire?