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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:37 PM
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Obama not letting Hillary finish her speech
Wow. Cold.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:37 PM
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1. She didn't concede. That is why the courtesy exists. nt
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:38 PM
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8. What's up with that? nt
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:40 PM
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14. Typically...
if a candidate loses a campaign, the loser goes on first to congratulate the winner. Then the winner lets them make their speech.

Since Hillary didn't acknowledge her defeat, no courtesy should be expected. She is just ignoring reality and giving another stump speech.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:53 PM
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33. Yeah,
but why doesn't she concede. It fuels the entitlement-arrogance perception.

Are there any real people advising her? Are they all so insulated that they don't understand that their original ship sailed?
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:12 PM
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35. Well, that's a loaded question...
but since you asked...I'll answer it.

I think what you are seeing from Hillary's camp is complete denial of reality. It is just sad, really.

Some people are incapable of coming to grips with losing. They let their emotions lead them instead of their heads or their better judgment. I think this is more of a statement on the shittiness of her advisors than the candidate, though. You can expect the candidate to get emotionally involved with something like this because they have been working their whole life for it. For Hillary, it has to be that much worse because she put up with so much bullshit during her husband's tenure and now that it is her turn, she won't even be the nominee...and it all slipped away from her so fast.

Her advisors should be giving her advice she needs to hear instead of what she wants to hear. I think the problem is that her advisors are longstanding friends of hers that are just as emotionally invested in President Hillary as Hillary is. They are giving her all of these doomsday scenarios that require her to go around the actual voters to win, and to hell with anyone not on board.

However, I think a few of her senior advisors (namely MacAullife and Penn) are in it only for the money at this point. Hillary's campaign is a cash cow for them, and they'll keep milking it until the udders fall off.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:00 PM
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41. What will she do with herself now?
This has got to be just mind boggling for her. The past decade at least has been orchestrated to get her to this point, if it just wasn't for that pesky Obama. Is she really going to be satisfied to go back to her stepping stone and be the Senator from New York? I do feel kind of sad thinking about the pain and confusion she is feeling now.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:38 PM
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2. Good!
Works for me.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:38 PM
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3. Hillary didn't even thank Wisconsin. Classy.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:41 PM
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17. Haven't you heard?
They don't count! :sarcasm:
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:46 PM
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29. She did not thank VA, MD, or DC either
Just a general congrats to Obama the following day.

This has become a pattern.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:02 PM
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43. She considers my state insignificant
I put a snark about it in my facebook profile:

"Proud to be a Virginia Democrat, and disappointed that Clinton's pollster considers my state insignificant."
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:38 PM
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4. Awesome!!!!
YES WE CAN!!!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:38 PM
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5. Well, that way she can't accuse him of plagiarizing her. n/t
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:38 PM
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6. Yeah, because Obama = CNN.
Whatever...
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:38 PM
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7. Hillary did not even congratulate Obama. nm
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 09:39 PM by TeamJordan23
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:41 PM
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19. She hasn't after any of her loses.....
kinda rude.:shrug:
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:39 PM
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9. He's waited till after prime time often enough.
He shouldn't have to do it all the time, just because he's the winner.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:44 PM
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26. Besides - he won - again. Winners get first dibs eh?
:hi:
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:40 PM
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10. I'm sick of Hill's shit, frankly. enough is enough. wrong side of history, baby
and oh by the way. Since when do words NOT MATTER in American political campaigns? I want to know if the buffoon in her campaign who came up with that line of attack will quit or be fired?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:40 PM
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11. She's giving a stump speech. There's no reason for him to consider her
campaign speech. BTW. He won. She lost.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:40 PM
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12. 9 straight victories = earned speechover :) n/t
n/t
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:40 PM
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13. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Tough shit. Get over it.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:41 PM
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15. lol, good
She doesn't deserve it.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:44 PM
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28. LISTEN TO YOURSELF
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:47 PM
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31. After yesterday
I feel no sympathy. She doesn't deserve it.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:41 PM
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16. Brilliant
1. She continually refuses to concede. She deserves zero courtesy.
2. The Clintons make stupid mistakes when they're pissed - and nothing pisses them off more than getting dissed
3. It shows the world that he's top dog
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:41 PM
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18. Your right he planned his speech weeks in advance to start at
exactly 9:35 with the anticipation that Hillary would be in the middle of her speech. :sarcasm:
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:41 PM
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20. She didn't give a concession speech.
Why should he wait for her to stump?
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:42 PM
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21. Since they aren't in the same state
He sure as hell didn't jump up on stage and push her away from the microphone. If you must, blame the networks. They could always choose to show one speech slightly delayed. But I guess they decided that tonight's winner was more newsworthy than the loser.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:42 PM
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22. she needs putting out like a cigarette butt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:42 PM
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23. Apparently her speech was delayed an hour.
I doubt his campaign knew that.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:44 PM
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27. these campaigns know everything
they're plugged in 24/7 they all will watch her speech live

obama has an opportunity to make a case on prime time to voters.

hillary did not concede, so the obama camp decides to green light and speak to teh 20,000 people waiting to hear him
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:47 PM
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30. That sounds like a winning strategy to me!
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:43 PM
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24. Wrong, the media
spot light rightfullly goes to the WINNER!

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:44 PM
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25. Her speech was delayed an hour, I heard
And I'm sure she did finish her speech it was a standard stump speech.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:12 PM
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36. She tried to pre-empt him.
Oops :rofl:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:49 PM
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32. Obama should not be concerned with whether she's giving a speech or not.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:56 PM
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34. Obama's schedule doesn't revolve around her.
She's running late. Why is that his problem?


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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:13 PM
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37. That's what I'm wondering
I've asked many, but really why should Obama make his audience wait because Hillary's running behind?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:57 PM
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40. FWIW, Keith mentioned something about a restless SRO group being in
Obama's audience, and that was part of the reason he went ahead with his speech. It was also mentioned that they waited to hear if Clinton made any acknowledgment of Obama's WI victory and when she didn't, he went ahead with his speech.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:40 PM
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44. I heard that as well
All seems perfectly acceptable to me, and the same would be true if the tables were turned.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:21 PM
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38. If she's not conceding...
then she's not saying anything. Now THAT's cold.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:37 PM
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39. better remember the Hillary voters are going to be n eedes to win in GE
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:01 PM
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42. Cry Hard, coming to a small venue near you.
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