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Tue Feb-19-08 09:49 PM
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For the good of the party, Hillary must drop out |
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Her continued presence in the race benefits only one person: John McCain. Time for Hillary to prove she cares more about the party than herself.
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Tue Feb-19-08 09:50 PM
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She ruined the chances of real Dems to be elected.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:01 PM
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7. That's the mis-statement of he century! Real Dems as in far left? the far left |
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will fail miserably in this country just like the far right, because the dynamics of this country are in the center. Every poll will tell you that.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:35 PM
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23. Any other candidate would have dropped out a while back |
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Tue Feb-19-08 09:51 PM
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Tue Feb-19-08 09:51 PM
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3. Not as long as she continues Edward's message for the middle class |
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It's an important distinction ... she's directing her message at Raygun Democrats - a good thing.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:06 PM
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13. The "raygun" dems are voting for Obama........... |
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Her message isn't being heard.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:48 PM
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31. Don't deny reality for your fantasy. HRC is out there doing the right |
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thing and if you find fault, it's yours.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:05 AM
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45. The "right thing"? Why is Hillary the "right" thing and no one |
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else is? Look, I supported Hillary in the beginning. But it is simply over for her. If she really cared about our party she would graciously concede defeat and start to work in the GE. Not that I think Obama needs it.
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:06 AM
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52. You finished the sentence that way - not me. Don't you realize what it |
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:17 AM
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53. You were insinuating that Hillary was doing the "right thing". (As in |
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others were not). We'll see if she truly does the right thing.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:52 PM
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33. Her message isn't being... |
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believed. She's just not sincere.
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Tue Feb-19-08 11:00 PM
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39. shhhhh -- they aren't ready to hear this yet |
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:09 AM
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46. Yes. It's really a no-win situation for Hill no matter what |
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happens. First, she believed she was "inevitable". All that misery she suffered with Bill was going to finally pay off. She put all of her efforts into it, believing it would be all over by Super Tuesday. Bad miscalculation. Plus, minorities (especially blacks) have always supported the "first black president" and Hillary and they never counted on an actual charismatic black running against them. Plus she thought she had the women firmly behind her (she doesn't). Obama is cutting into every demographic she thought she had sewed up.
She also didn't give enough weight to the people that truly cannot abide her. And last, if by some miracle she wrestled the nomination away from Obama (think court) she still loses because so many would cross over and vote against her just for spite.
As I have said before I hope she has the class to graciously lose before we all get hurt.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:59 PM
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38. Edwards? Apparently you missed the Obama Houston talk. |
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Ms. Lobbyist can crawl back under the rock she came from.
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Tue Feb-19-08 11:03 PM
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41. "shhhhh -- they aren't ready to hear this yet" |
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You've just been plagiarized!!! :)
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Tue Feb-19-08 09:51 PM
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4. I guess we'll see who she cares about, country or self |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:02 PM
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If she cares about the country she'll stay in the race! |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:04 PM
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10. No Kidding! Has Obama won the majority of delegates? NOOOO! Far from over! |
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:10 AM
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47. The last time I looked Obama certainly has won the |
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Wed Feb-20-08 06:22 AM
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55. You're wrong. He needs 2025. He hasn't won the majority. |
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Wed Feb-20-08 10:46 AM
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56. Come on now. HE HAS MORE THAN HILLARY. And he will |
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get even more. The rest is just word games.
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Wed Feb-20-08 07:36 PM
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60. Yah right. Rules are made to be broken when it suits you. |
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Thu Feb-21-08 09:39 AM
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64. Rules? What rules are being broken and what does that |
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have to do with Obama being in the lead?
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:07 PM
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15. Lord, WHY?? We're going to win this in November! |
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Why in the world would you even want Hillary when every poll shows she can be beaten. Obama is an unstoppable force. He's not my first choice, but gosh people, we're dems and we're winning!! Are we going to continue to pull this party apart?
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:08 PM
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17. I disagree it's far from a sure win in November by any means! |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:33 PM
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20. Sorry, but Obama WILL beat McCain. Hillary can be beaten. |
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Obama is pulling too many demographics. Hillary has too many negatives. I'm not trying to mean just truthful. I supported her in the beginning.
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Tue Feb-19-08 09:54 PM
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5. It may be time for Al to phone her with the inconvenient truth n/t |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:36 PM
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That's a DUzy right there!
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Tue Feb-19-08 09:56 PM
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6. I think she'll start hearing that tomorrow from superdelegates |
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if it turns out he did cut into the demographic she was banking on in Ohio. Texas is already close to tied.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:05 PM
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Wisconsin Exit Polls: Obama Won: Women (51-49) All age groups under 65 All education levels All regions of the state -- urban, suburban and rural Voters without college degrees (50-48) Democrats (50-49) Whites (53-46) White men (59-38) Voters who decided in the last week (58-42)
Won or tied voters of all income levels Tied among white women Tied among union members Tied among union households
It is time for all to realize that it is impossible for Hillary to win. She would have to win Ohio and Texas by thirty percent or more, and even then it might not be enough. Not even considering that Texas is looking like a no go for her. Ohio is not going to give her enough delegates.
So the question is: Will she quit for the good of our party or will she continue to drag it out............. It is really sad. I used to support Hillary and defended her and the Clintons against ALL comers. But now I really and truly believe she will not let go unless she is forced to.............
If he continues with the demographics of the above, what can possibly save her? Nothing.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:07 PM
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16. Wow. What's the rationale for her continuing? |
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I know they were peddling the fact that PA has a lot of seniors - I guess that's her only demo remaining.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:34 PM
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:48 PM
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32. She needs to recoup her loan? |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:54 PM
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36. Hillary will not carry Texas. |
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Still my prediction. Still stickin to it.
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Tue Feb-19-08 11:05 PM
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Very similar demographic to Wisconsin.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:01 PM
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8. She's up to 9 loses. How many more can she take? |
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Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 10:02 PM by Bleachers7
How many more before she knows it's over?
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:02 PM
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9. Yeah, it's dissapointing, John McCain's already running his |
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general election campaign, and every day this primary drags on he's one day ahead
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:05 PM
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12. hillarys donations are now helping mccains campaign |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:06 PM
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14. Relax. It isn't hurting Obama at all. |
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It only seems to make him stronger. I mean, look at what has happened in the past week. She was polling 20 points ahead in bother OH and TX and now is almost at parity. By the time those states vote, Obama will win in a landslide.
And the people who Hillary is stirring up for Obama will remain active to vote in November. She is HELPING Obama, not hurting him.
She is not helping HILLARY very much though, so she will "do a Mitt" shortly. She will stop the sending good money after bad in TX and OH and then bow out after that spanking.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:18 PM
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18. I'd be willing to bet money she doesn't go out before |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:30 PM
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19. agreed...and I'm not hating on Hilary at all. but this divisive is hurting OUR party. |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:35 PM
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22. She's NOT going to drop out before Ohio and Texas.... |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:36 PM
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25. Party leaders are already working on putting together an Intervention team to tell her. |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:38 PM
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26. She doesn't HAVE to drop out. |
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She deserves to see if Texas and Ohio can put her back in this thing.
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Tue Feb-19-08 11:01 PM
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40. And that's still a possibility... |
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although at this point it's an extreme longshot. I wouldn't bet on it, personally.
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Wed Feb-20-08 12:12 AM
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48. The thing is, they can't. She would have to win both at thirty |
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percent or better and that isn't happening.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:42 PM
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But I don't want her to keep campaigning by tearing Obama down if it won't help her win the margins she needs and I don't see how you get 65-70% by ramping up the negatives. that can get you to 52 or 53% on a good day, but if she gets that, she still loses the delegate race.
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:53 PM
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35. I think you just plagiarized yourself |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:43 PM
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29. She's almost done. She'll have to quit eventually. |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:46 PM
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30. can we at least wait until 3/4? TX & OH are big states, and we'd like to vote. |
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Tue Feb-19-08 10:52 PM
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34. Wish this was a poll. Aye . |
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..soon to be 10. No way in hades Hillary wins Texas, Ohio is a state similar to Wisconsin in many ways and Hillary got whipped there tonight. Whats the margin? 15%, 17% or more!?!?!?
Hillary needs to drop out now with as much grace as she can muster. She is only helping McCain from here on out. If she persists in her futile campaign she will become a pariah in the democratic party.
Hillary needs to get behind the next President of the United States, Barack Obama!
GOBAMA!!
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Wed Feb-20-08 01:20 AM
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54. There are people starting abandon ship |
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Wed Feb-20-08 10:47 AM
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57. How about letting everyone have their say first- God these posts Suck! |
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Wed Feb-20-08 10:48 AM
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58. By your "logic"--upcoming voters in OH, TX, AP "don't count"!! POT MEET KETTLE |
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For the good of the party, Hillary must drop out Her continued presence in the race benefits only one person: John McCain. Time for Hillary to prove she cares more about the party than herself.
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Wed Feb-20-08 10:52 AM
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59. Keep an eye on her donations. |
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My prediction is that the big donors are going to get tired of throwing money at Hillary and getting defeat.
Her donations are going to slow down drastically, while Obama's going to continue to raise huge amounts of cash. And the big donors aren't going to want to throw away tens or hundreds of thousands at this point - they're cutting off her credit card.
It's only a matter time now before she runs out of gas.
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Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 07:51 PM by anamnua
Reply given by the American commander of Bastogne in 1944 to a call to surrender by the encircling Germans. Also applicable here. Things must have seemed bleak to the Americans freezing in the Ardennes snow. A few weeks later their position was relieved and the Germans sent packing.
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Thu Feb-21-08 03:26 AM
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63. She scoring for McCain alright |
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and she knows it. But then she's always been a Goldwater girl hasn't she?
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