Hillary loses by less in Wisconsin, therefore the negative attacks worked.

[Avalux]

So sez Howard Fineman on MSNBC. Her campaign sees it as a good sign and they're also happy McCain is attacking Obama. So be prepared for more shitty attacks on Obama with the hopes she will gain points in Texas and Ohio. I expect the debate in Austin on Thursday will be....interesting.

[Kittycat]

1. Obama never should have won Wisc.

That race didn't start to tighten up until the past week rolled around. :shrug:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

56. How about that? AMAZING results, brought to you by Sequoia and ES&S

Leaders in corrupt voting equipment, and sponsored by the Wisc State Elections Board.

[BuyingThyme]

2. She's certainly got the momentum now.

Nobody would dare say otherwise.

[Cha]

6. I'll call that dare and raise you two..

hilaryland is sinking in their own shit.

[BuyingThyme]

16. Yeah, but that's better than somebody else's shit.

Think about it. Would you rather sink in you own shit, or the shit of some stinky stranger who eats exotic cheeses and the like?

[mkultra]

53. depends on wether you think your own shit stinks or not

[DJ13]

11. "She's certainly got the momentum now."

:rofl:

[tridim]

29. She'll always have California

Well maybe.

[thevoiceofreason]

48. And don't forget Poland

[NYCGirl]

19. No, what she has now is Joementum, the opposite of momentum. NT

[Arugula Latte]

26. Maybe it's "whoamentum"

The voters are yanking the reins back on her as hard as they can.

[gmudem]

31. Uh...?

She is going to lose by at least 15. I think you are confused about the definition of "momentum."

[CalGator]

34. Can you feel the Joementum!? -nt

[Cha]

3. hilary was suppose to win in Wisconsin..how

long ago? Keep it up hilaryland ..you're your own worst enemy and Wisconsin has given you some more rope.

[book_worm]

4. Less? Most polls had Obama up by 4-5 points, one poll had Hillary up

and Obama's up by 15. Get real. Those negative ads backfired and the exit polls show it.

[Avalux]

7. They have to spin it somehow; it's really pathetic. n/t

[libertee]

5. I CAN'TWAIT

[Kokonoe]

8. here is the poll from CNN

------------------------------------voted for
Which Candidate Attacked Unfairly?- Clinton Obama
Only Clinton.......(26%)--------------- 6%.... 91%
Only Obama........(6%)----------------- N/A
Both.................(27%----------------55%... 43%
Neither..............(37%)-------------- 54%... 45%


Did Clinton Attack Unfairly?
Yes (53%).........Clinton 31% Obama 67%
No (43%)..........Clinton 58% Obama 41%


Did Obama Attack Unfairly?
Yes (33%)..........Clinton 60% Obama 38%
No (63%)...........Clinton 34% Obama 64%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#WIDEM

[nomorewhopper]

9. i disagree

i haven't seen the polling numbers but i remember it was around 20+ points in hillary's favor a few months ago, maybe 5 points in obamas favor maybe 1 week ago, and he's going to win in a landslide.

i don't think the attacks worked.

at this point I honestly can't say what WILL work. she just has to hope that her supporters rally bigtime in texas and that her lead does not evaporate once obama starts really campaigning there. he had a HUGE rally in houston tonight. he handed every single person in attendance a voter card. they've got a ground organization ready to roll and a boatload of cash at the ready.

hillary is swimming upstream, and i don't htink attacks will work for her.

[Roland99]

10. Dec. 11, 2007. Hillary led in WI polls 36 - 29.

http://www.channel3000.com/politics/14818555/detail.html

[saltpoint]

51. Yes. I remember that poll. I bookmarked it, thinking that she had a

fairly convincing lead.

I remember wondering if it would hold through the WI primary.

Tonight we know.

[Thrill]

12. I would love for her to keep going negative

Its hard to bash someone who is trying to keep peoples hopes up. It makes you sound like a Negative Nancy

[Hill_YesWeWill]

13. so a loss is a win now?

I'm sorry, it doesn't matter how negative she goes, she can't gain enough from going negative as Obama will gain just by stumping across the two states, and he's got plenty of time!!

[Arugula Latte]

28. Lose is Win. War is Peace. Up is down.

We have always been at war with Oceania. Doubleplusgood.

[C_U_L8R]

14. Loses by less?

She got absolutely creamed.
If they spun it any more they'd get butter.

[KAZ]

15. So we can keep consuming. They sell air time.

[ShortnFiery]

17. I wouldn't bank on that, IMO, "fairy tale."

;)

[SoCalDem]

18. Losing by 15% is LESS?.. when she was UP 20% a month ago??

Methinks Howard flunked percentages in 5th grade..

[Eurobabe]

20. Since when is 15% loss "losing by less?"

Fineman is an idiot.

[Avalux]

22. Less than the Patomac Primaries! Whatever the hell that means.

:rofl:

[Roland99]

30. They're using Rove's math.

[cali]

21. LOL!

He's up 15 now and by the time all the votes are counted, I'll bet he wins by 17. That's way more than the polls indicated. And yeah, they'll go after him in the TX debate. He better be ready for anything.

[Zhade]

54. (He's up by 19% now.)

He's not my guy, but I'm loving his destruction of Hilary "I'll pick my own presidential powers" Clinton, that's for sure!

[Kaylee]

23. I am so scared she is (and is more than willing) to destroy

the democratic party along with her failing campaign.

[Avalux]

25. I'm worried about it too.

I hope she has the decency to bow out for the sake of the party instead of continuing on for her own personal needs.

[quantass]

24. BLOWOUT!!

[JVS]

32. When my dad got a colostomy, blowout was the word used by nurses when discussing the possibility...

of the bag rupturing (actually popping) if he were to roll over onto it in his sleep. Somehow your mentioning this phrase in conjunction with HRC's smear campaign, vividly brought back the imagery of those days. It truly is one big stinky blowout.

[eleny]

27. That's a lot of lipstick on the pig

[ShadowLiberal]

33. Yeah, it's a loss for Obama considering Wisconsin's less favorable demographics to Obama

You lost tonight Obama, yeah Wisconsin has a lot less black people then Maryland and Virgina and DC did, and a lot less well educated better off white people then those states did. You should have done even better then last time in Wisconsin, even though Wisconsin's demographics heavily favored Hillary Clinton over you.

A win would only be topping his 75% of the vote victory margin in Washington D.C..

[HeraldSquare212]

35. Cool - go on losing by just less than 20, Hillary!

The superdelegates have or will warn her about going too negative on Obama - at this point, she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Taking Obama down hard is her only hope, but if she does so the rest of the party will publicly abandon her campaign. It's over.

[Crunchy Frog]

36. Margin is now 17 percentage points with 79% counted.

This is looking pretty big for Obama, and in a state that he should have been weaker in, since it's a primary state and mostly white.

[saltpoint]

42. Agree. There must have been some kind of internal polling showing

fluctuation up to the weekend before the primary, but from that point forward it appears Obama took very significant percentages of votes from Clinton in areas thought to be her constituent supporters.

A 4-point Obama win would have been a red flag for the Clinton effort but they could have argued a proud, hard-won moral second place.

With the strong double-digit win, Obama doused that fire convincingly.

[TexasObserver]

37. Howard Fineman is often wrong. He's a slightly better version of Tweety.

He's wrong about this.

[saltpoint]

38. Howard Fineman is one of those initially bright and promising people

whose lives just deteriorated once they entered the media milieu.

Obama has a resounding victory tonight in Wisconsin and cut deep into Senator Clinton's demographics, taking huge slices of support from her core constiutencies.

Sen. Obama's win was demographically agile almost across the board. And it was a very chilly day in Wisconsin. So the Democratic turnout, no matter your favorite candidate, impressed the hell out of a lot of people.

[NMMatt]

39. SC and now WI show that the negative attacks help Obama and turn off voters

My bigger concern is if it hurts our chances in November. I'm of two minds. One is that it may help Obama in that his team gets practiced in responding to what is to come. The other is that we're giving the Rethugs ammunition and further polarizing the Democratic Party.

I for one would prefer to see a united front against the Republicans, not a united Hillary-McCain attack against Obama.

[writes3000]

40. CORRECTION/CLARITY, folks

Fineman was reporting on the warring factions within the Clinton camp. He was explaining that one side was claiming that the negative campaigning worked because Obama's margin of victory was less than the Potomac primaries.

To be fair, Fineman himself wasn't claiming that the negative attacks has worked. He was just reporting on what one side of the Clinton campaign was arguing.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

41. Down 17% is success?

Delusions of grandeur? :shrug:

[LadyVT]

43. I think the weather really impacted the older people from voting.

I mean, it is POURING rain here right now (I may need to build an Ark), and although I would get out at my age and vote, I can sure see how many middle aged and older people just wouldn't be able or willing to do it.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

44. She lost by 17%

17% is "less"? :wtf:

[Skwmom]

45. What kind of logic is that? The demographics of WI were much

more favorable than the Potomac Primaries. People are fed up with this negative crap.

[saltpoint]

46. With 82% of the WI vote counted, Obama's lead is increasing:

http://www.wisn.com/index.html

[eowyn_of_rohan]

57. hmmm...ZERO votes for Edwards. I know that isn't true. What else might be a lie? nt

[XemaSab]

59. The NYTimes has 1% of the vote for Edwards

n/t

[saltpoint]

61. As it happens eowyn_of_rohan, I don't run the

Wisconsin primary election apparatus.

You might want to write to the Secretary of State.

[Occam Bandage]

47. By less? She did worse than the polling indicated.

[grantcart]

58. Yeah but you wait it will have a great effect in Hawaii you just wait

[Renew Deal]

49. The polls were tight all week. Obama beat the polls.

Success!!! :rofl:

[Bread and Circus]

50. Her campaign managers are a bunch of idiots. Plain and simple.

[AgadorSparticus]

55. no shit. This was hers for the taking and somehow she screwed it up.

I'm still quite shocked that she just sat around while Obama p/u speed on the east coast. She came into this race with the establishment clearly behind her. It's just flabbergasting to me.

[GoldieAZ49]

52. yeah ugly attacks, AFTER the debate

which will probably be the highest rating ever.

polls showed O leading in WI by 5-6%, so far he is winning by 17% with 87% in

Hawaii will be called tomorrow

What a great night, but Hillary is going to be throwing mud and it will get ugly, and backfire on her!

[LordJFT]

60. less than what? He won by more than all the polls