The death throes of the Clinton campaign

[x-g.o.p.er]

Her campaign is on life support. She is desperate, like a wounded animal.

She will not give up the nomination unless it is pried from her hands with a crowbar.

Expect the next two weeks to be disgustingly negative as she tries anything to discredit Obama and derail the Obama momentum train.

The only one who still thinks she can win this nomination is Hillary and Bill, and they will destroy the party if they have to to ensure her nomination.

[libertee]

1. the momentum train is slowing on it's own.

[scheming daemons]

3. haha.... 15 point win in a state tailor-made for Hillary... sure.

..give me more of that kind of "slowing".

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

25. Actually, its a 17 point win n/t

[XemaSab]

24. Yeah, but will it stop before the end of the tracks?

:scared:

[high density]

56. Maybe it's time to look up the meaning of "slowing" in the dictionary

I think the words you meant were "racing ahead."

[scheming daemons]

2. Yep.... K & R

...

[jgraz]

4. Clinton supporters need to tell their candidate to cut the shit

If she wants to campaign to the convention, let her. But the negative attacks have got to stop.

[x-g.o.p.er]

7. They won't

They'll only get worse as reality slowly settles on their campaign.

[BringBigDogBack]

39. EXACTLY.

[keep_it_real]

5. Your're right

"The death throes of the Clinton campaign" - I for one hope so; they are like air pollution.

[LibertyorDeath]

6. Well said !

Rec!

[Jersey Devil]

8. The money will dry up first and the campaign will die shortly thereafter

There are two weeks yet until Texas and Ohio in expensive media markets. So who is going to put up the money in the face of the massive onslaught that has overpowered her?

[hogwyld]

10. Just to pile on

I'm sending another $100 to BarackObama.com

[x-g.o.p.er]

12. The Clinton's have money, power, and influence...

And they will use every bit of all t hree in the next two weeks to try and convince superdelegates to saty home, woo uncommited and Obama superdelegates, and they will pour whatever money they need to into this campaign to try and save it.

Bill Clinton's legacy is on the line, and the one thing, almost more than anything else in her life she's wanted, is slipping away. They're not letting go.

Oh, they'll dig in deeper than an Alabama tick on this one.

[adabfree]

13. Just reported on MSNBC Obama actually raised 36 Mil in January...not 32

[hogwyld]

16. Just...........WOW!

When do the February results for fundraising get reported?

[adabfree]

22. March...

[Renew Deal]

26. That has to be a record.

The most I remember Kerry raising was $33 million.

[TexasObserver]

36. maybe dictators who Bill is friendly with, or Republicans who fear Obama in the general

That is who might send her money the next two weeks, but it's sand down a rat hole. She's going down in Texas.

[scheming daemons]

9. Election markets.... Obama skyrockets, Hillary Plummets.....

Up to 80-20 for Obama.

If you own Hillary stock.... SELL SELL SELL... QUICKLY!



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[AgadorSparticus]

11. what a horribly run campaign. I'm betting that the neg. attacks WILL stop.

It backfired on her in WI and she MUST see that it's not working. She'd be crazy to go negative again. She just made a big mistake in letting Obama run wild after Nevada.

[x-g.o.p.er]

15. She has no choice...

Her policy differences, save Iraq (which has KILLED her) are negligible.

If she can't distinguish herself from Obama on policy and gain traction, what else can she do? Smother him with kindness?

That is NOT the Clinton way.

[sendero]

50. It is her position on Iraq.

... that has cost her this election. This was hers to lose, but she got cocky and decided to tell Americans they were wrong.

Who's wrong now, HRC? Piss off your base at your peril, she should know that.

[HeraldSquare212]

14. It won't get that far - the superdelegates will give her a reality check.

[x-g.o.p.er]

18. That is the only chance...

of staving off a disaster for this party. But I don't think they'll listen.

[HeraldSquare212]

20. They will. She could have a brillant career in the Senate, if

like Ted Kennedy, she gave up the idea of being President.

[RememberWellstone]

17. Right.

This is'nt even remotely close to over.

[x-g.o.p.er]

19. Okay...whatever you wish to believe

You really think Hillary can win over 60-65% of the popular vote in the next three contests to pull even with pledged delegates, and woo more superdelegates?

I really would like to hear your theory on how Hillary can win the nomination.

[Thepricebreaker]

21. LOL She is 1-2 states away from HAVING to quit.

[psychopomp]

23. In her speach tonight, she said "Some of you have lost a job and are unemployed..."

..."I know how hard that is!"

Oh, really? Well, she might not know how hard it is to lose a job and be unemployed but you can be sure she will soon know how hard it is to loose a Democratic Presidential nomination.

[scheming daemons]

27. She was talking about her campaign staff.... in a month from now..

....

[x-g.o.p.er]

30. She's just pandering, and I'm embarrassed for her at this point.

It's sad to the point of comical.

[apocalypsehow]

28. I agree 100%.

n/t

[cooolandrew]

29. God bless HRC, she needs it, when we sell our integrity we sell our soul. k&r

[SlipperySlope]

31. ...and they will destroy the party...

"and they will destroy the party if they have to to ensure her nomination"

The purpose of the party is to ensure her nomination. If the party fails to do so, it is broken, and must be destroyed to ensure her nomination.

[milkyway]

32. Her biggest problem: if she goes negative, she only affirms her own negative narrative

that she is cold, calculating, and will do anything to win, while also reaffirming Obama's argument that the old divisive politics won't solve our problems. Obama doesn't even have to say, "there she goes again." That's how most of the voters and the media will think of it.

There isn't much she can do. She can't win the nomination, she can only hope that Obama somehow loses it, but even a major Dean Scream kind of gaffe would probably not stop him because it would run counter to the narrative that has already been firmly given to this campaign.

[Hoof Hearted]

33. K&R for the audacity of hope.

[TheDonkey]

34. I really hope she does not "double down" on the negativity like some in her campaign want

and that she does not go hog wild in the debate and take down the Democratic party with her.

[FlyingSquirrel]

37. You mean, like if some study group told you to leave Iraq and instead

you decided on a "Surge"?

[thoughtcrime1984]

35. If she wants to keep her Senate seat and preserve Bill's legacy

She will step down after the March 4th primaries UNLESS she makes great headway that night. Which I honestly doubt.

[Raine]

38. True and like any wounded

and dying animal she becomes more dangerous and erratic. I'm afraid she is going to distroy the Democratic party in her desperate attempt to get the nomination at any cost. :-(

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

40. Out with the old. In with the new.

Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.

[depakid]

41. " they will destroy the party if they have to"

They and their "friends" pretty well already did that during the 90's....

[AP]

She's only behind in the delegate count by about 20-30 delegates. TX, OH, PA and NC are the only

remaining big states. It's very possible that the margin won't grow much more.

I know you only have to win by 1 to be the nominee, but it's still a competitive fight to the finish line.

[AP]

42. She's only behind in the delegate count by about 20-30 delegates. TX, OH, PA and NC are the only

remaining big states. It's very possible that the margin won't grow much more.

I know you only have to win by 1 to be the nominee, but it's still a competitive fight to the finish line.

[Spider Jerusalem]

43. No, she's behind in total delegate count, right now, by about 60

counting superdelegates.

Counting only PLEDGED delegates, she's behind by almost 150.

[AP]

44. Soft pledged and unpledged,with FL/MI sanctioned, she's behind by 39

Pledged, with sanctions, behind by 116.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/

[Spider Jerusalem]

45. Those numbers are out of line with everything else I've seen.

Which leads me to question their reliability.

[AP]

46. Disclaimer (ie, nobody's totals are 100% accurate at this point, but these are pretty close)

(at the top of the page):

The vote totals and delegate tallies from 'Super Duper' Tuesday, 5 February 2008, delegate distribution 'events' were obtained from various and sundry unofficial sources. It often takes a significant amount of time to obtain the most reliable numbers and even more time to obtain numbers that are "final". Given all this, we ask that the user of this website please accept any such numbers with the proverbial "grain of salt".

What we do know is that, as of Wednesday 6 February 2008, no candidate has enough National Convention delegates to have clinched either Party's presidential nomination. On the Republican side, John McCain appears to have a significant lead; On the Democratic side, it appears that the race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for that Party's presidential nomination is still close, with Senator Clinton emerging with a slight lead in pledged National Convention delegates.
Jurisdictions with complete 5 to 10 February 2008 data

Democratic: AZ, CA, KS, ME
Republican: AZ, CA, KS, UT, WV

[workinclasszero]

47. Hillary is DONE!

Spin the massive losses in Wisconsin and Hawaii, Hillbots! It can't be done!!

Wisconsin especially was tailor made for a Clinton victory!!:rofl::rofl::rofl:

The negative attacks will sink Bill and Hillary Clinton into the sunset. Go back to the 90's where you belong Clinton's! Its a new day in America, with new leaders, thank God!

[Perry Logan]

48. I love these Obama posts. They read like the dialogue in a bad comic book.

[Tesha]

52. In other words, you have no facts with which to rebut the premise. (NT)

[rug]

49. Were you in the GOP during the Clinton presidency?

This is familiar rhetoric.

[x-g.o.p.er]

63. Familiar, but true

[SecularNATION]

51. The Clintons...

...only care about themselves, and it's been that way from the start.

[Indy Lurker]

53. Like a Wounded Badger?

[AlertLurker]

54. Why should she quit while there's still a chance of the win?

Am I missing something? Is she not just about 90 delegates (if you count the S-Ds) down?

Texas has 193 delegates, Ohio has 141 and Pennsylvania has 158.

She is down an average of 3% nationally. This could change overnight, of course, especially with the Obama nation on the march in Texas, but why the heck should Hillary stop?

How will she "destroy the party" by (hopefully) running a better campaign in the remaining states where she reportedly has some chance of winning?

I just don't understand.

[yourguide]

55. Actually I think you are right...

however she will destroy the party if she continues this aggressive negative campaigning.

She does need to look to March 4, as she knows, those are 2 of the 3 states she is best suited to pick up delegates in. If she doesnt pick up a significant number or if she loses either state she might want to look at bowing out.

Based on the math, I think she has to win EVERY remaining primary by a 60/40 margin just to surpass Barack in delegates.

However, a super del strategy will not work for her if she is behind in pledged dels, popular vote, and number of states...right now it appears she is and it would be a ridiculous stretch to think she could beat those odds.

[AlertLurker]

58. You are correct with your math.

Unfortunately, it cuts both ways. Obama has to KEEP winning by the same margin or greater to keep ahead. He's going to have to prove that he can win by a greater margin, somehow. He keeps doing better, though - it may just all add up very soon...

Popular vote is fairly meaningless, though. It's the delegates and the S-Ds that count - that's why people vote to send them to the Convention...

[yourguide]

61. no actually

based on the math if the remaining races were split 50/50 - meaning that is the same way the remaining pledged delegates are split, he would remain in the lead with whatever the lead is he has in delegates now...around 80 I think. He has to keep winning to get MORE of an edge in delegates. He just needs to keep it even for him to hold the current lead he has.

The popular vote will not be meaningless when it comes down to super dels deciding. If he's ahead in pledged dels, and popular vote the writing on the wall will be there for the super dels.

[high density]

57. The chance to win is very near zero

She needs to get two thirds or so of the delegates in those states to win. I don't see how anybody has her winning by those margins unless something really, really bad about Obama comes out in the next couple of weeks.

[AlertLurker]

59. Who can tell? I lived in Texas for four years - It's a pretty funny place.

If she can win TX, OH and PA, even by only a 55-45 margin, she will be caught up - perhaps even slightly ahead, and with momentum - I don't have to tell the Borg Obamoids what THAT is all about.

She is a longer shot than Obama right now, but she's not really THAT nuch of a longer shot, is she?

[high density]

62. 55% isn't going to do it for her

She needs another 10 points on those wins. That's just how the math works out. Nobody is forecasting wins like that for her unless Obama has a major trip up for some reason. Obama isn't a "long shot" by any means, because he's the one with a decent lead right now and the momentum from 10 straight wins.

[rodeodance]

60. This is the primary season, She is a Democratic Candidate and to claim that

she is destroying the party is beyond the pale.

This is what you have primaries for -for the people to vote.
You all have lots of argument to use, but to say she is destroying the party is wrong. She is a Democrat and a good one just like the rest of you.

[HeraldSquare212]

64. Cool - that will make a primary challenge for her Senate seat that much easier.