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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:23 PM
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Clinton Fingerprints on Plagiarism Flap
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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., listens to Parma, Ohio, Mayor Dan DePiero during a campaign stop at Grace's Grill in Parma, Ohio, Tuesday, Feb. 19, 2008. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)
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Clinton Fingerprints on Plagiarism Flap

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CLEVELAND (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton says reporters, not her campaign, uncovered evidence of Democratic rival Barack Obama sharing speech lines with Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.

She made the claim Tuesday despite the fact her campaign posted video clips on YouTube illustrating similarities in the speeches and has suggested in several instances that the shared lines amount to plagiarism.

THE SPIN: "It's not us making this charge, it's the media," Clinton told Honolulu television station KITV Tuesday. "The media is finally examining my opponent which I think is important. We're trying to pick a president, someone for the toughest job in the world."

She added: "I think the media is going to be putting forth whatever facts and information it has for voters to assess on their own."

In an interview with another Honolulu station, KGMB, Clinton noted that Obama and Patrick share a strategist, David Axelrod, "who is apparently putting words in both of their mouths."

She added: "I think that's a serious concern."

FACT CHECK: Any suggestion that the story had a life of its own, apart from the Clinton campaign, is disingenuous.

The Associated Press, the Boston Globe and other news organizations have reported on instances in which Obama used some of Patrick's speech lines — often without attribution.

In the latest example, from a Democratic Party dinner Saturday night in Milwaukee, Obama repeated almost word for word part of a speech Patrick gave in 2006 extolling the importance of powerful oratory in politics. This was to rebut Clinton's charge that rhetoric is less important than results.

The New York Times reported the speech similarities Monday, having looked into them the day before. The story said the similarities "were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified." The common lines were not characterized as plagiarism in the story.

Patrick, a friend and supporter of Obama, said he encouraged the candidate last week to respond to Clinton's criticisms about his rhetoric, as he has done before. He said he shared lines from his 2006 campaign for governor with Obama's speechwriters and wanted no credit, because the two men often swap ideas.

The Clinton campaign jumped on the matter. Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson held an hourlong conference call about it Monday and repeated many of the charges during another call Tuesday.

"Senator Obama is running on the strength of his rhetoric and the strength of his promises and, as we have seen in the last couple of days, he's breaking his promises and his rhetoric isn't his own," Wolfson told reporters Monday.

Wolfson added: "It raises questions about the premise of his candidacy."

And Clinton told reporters Monday night: "If your whole candidacy is about words, those words should be your own. That's what I think."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said: "Senator Clinton knows full well that her campaign held a conference call with reporters to fan these flames and the fact that she suggested her campaign had nothing to do with it is exactly the kind of evasive tactic voters are rejecting."

Obama said Monday he wished he'd credited Patrick. He noted Clinton occasionally has used lines similar to his in her speeches.

By Beth Fouhy




Not surprised, just disappointed.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:31 PM
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1. What A Nasty Piece of Work
A bitter person who sends other people's kids into war.

Feh.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:32 PM
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2. kick
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:33 PM
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3. Pathetic........
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:37 PM
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4. We'll be in a world of hurt if this pathalogical liar becomes our president.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:47 PM
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5. Just like Michelle Obama's "really", we can read Obama's spokesmans comments to mean HRC
did not start the snafu but "fanned the flames". Can't blame her for keeping the fire burning, can you?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:42 AM
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15. hilary's a fire-breathing flame starter
who won't take responsibility for any of her shit.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:48 PM
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6. Nasty AND innefectual. A bad combination in a POTUS.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:49 PM
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7. I'd love to see a transcript of that hour long phone conference. nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:10 AM
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8. the globe has been running a lot of anti-obama articles
that are posted here. one article about obama health care vote in illinois was a blatant lie or the author did`t bother two do a fact check on the second page of a simple google search. i did why can`t they?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:12 AM
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9. Claiming you wrote a book you didn't: PLAGIARISM. Having it blow up in your face: PRICELESS!!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:38 AM
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10. Hillary was not telling the truth, and she
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:38 AM
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11. The "rival campaign" was emailing links to videos on Sunday and Politico posted its story on Sunday.
The video clips included an excerpt from Saturday's dinner speech.

Apparently the campaign was circulating the info and video to the media before it had appeared in the media. If the campaign claims media outlets first made the story public, then perhaps the campaign should specifically cite the media source(s) that made the story public before the campaign began emailing media outlets with links to video they posted on youtube.

The Clinton campaign didn't merely have a conference call on Monday based on having seen the story that morning in the press: they gave the story to the media on Sunday, fully expecting to see it hit the next day.

Sunday's Politico article: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8563.html

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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:40 AM
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12. Every misstep by the Clinton campaign
lands in a pile of dog crap.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:41 AM
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13. How anyone can be a Clinton supporter and look in the mirror at this point is beyond me...
I heard Wolfson today with the non-issue and it just cemented my view that the Clinton Machine will stand at nothing to try to play dirty politics to try to win. It's unprecedented.

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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:42 AM
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14. I'm shocked! (not) nt
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