Obama better win in Nov

[workinforalivin]

And, make life better for avg. hard-working Americans, right quick.

1) Iraq war has to end at once and the billions being spent brought back home;
2) Bush/Cheney need to be held accountable for all the lies and crimes they perpetuated upon the American people and the world and the multiple criminal investigations against Bush and Cheney need to move forward, swiftly, so as to hold them accountable for their crimes - AG scandal, Plame, Medicare, Iraq War Intelligence, Iran, etc.;
3) All of the money stolen from hard working Americans via fraud, corruption, no-bid contracts, corporate welfare, etc. (i.e., the Medicare Bill, Iraq War Funding, Energy Policy, NCLB, etc.) needs to be returned to us and those who committed those crimes prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law;
4) All civil liberties need to be fully restored, FISA/NSA spying;
5) Torture (including water boarding) needs to be established as a crime against humanity and all off-shore detention centers abolished and off-shore interrogations ceased.

[Thrill]

1. If Democrats stick together for a change

He will win easily. Repukes just scare our voters into either staying at home or voting for them.

[saracat]

3. Obama is going to cause many people to stay home or not vote.

[DesEtoiles]

5. are you on drugs?

[saracat]

26. No but I know I may not vote for him and I know several others in my state who will not

and I was speaking to some folks in Florida and Michigan who also told me this!I also encounterd quite a few folks this weekend while I was canvassing ,who are Dems, who will not vote for him. I tried to persuade them to vote the downline. That is what I am going to do.I said if they just couldn't do it to forget about the presidential electiob and worry about the local folks.I honestly don't think I can vote for him. Seriously.And I have never not voted before. Ever.

[cali]

30. silly sour grapes.

anyone who stays at home rather than vote for the dem is making this election all about them. Clue: It's not about YOU.

[saracat]

33. Yeah it is.It is MY vote and Obama doesn't represent "Me" in any way.

[cali]

39. No, it's not about you.

it's about the Supreme Court. It''s about the environment. It's about getting the hell out of Iraq. It's about restoring Habeas Corpus. It's about the poor and disenfranchised that you purportedly care so much about. It's about restoring foreign relations. And it's sad that can't grasp something so basic.

[saracat]

41. Yeah well guess what? I don't think Obama is any better than McCain. Big whoop.

And I do not trust him to protect those things in any way. Sorry. I do not TRUST him and I do not think that electing him would be a good thing.He isn't capable of it, IMHO, and he doesn't care.I can not even decide who is scarier of the two candidates.Each are sacry in their own right and neither will care about those issues.

[cali]

55. that's not even remotely near reality

not even in the same universe. And I know it's not mere ignorance. One more time: This isn't all about you. It's simply egocentric in the extreme to think it is.

[donheld]

42. How in hell can you say that?

[saracat]

44. Easily. I read his book and researched his reputation and voting record in Illinois.

Plus, I have had reports from people I respect from all over the country about some of the crap that was pulled during the caucus and it was not pretty. There are many reasons I do not trust this man.

[Zhade]

46. But you trust Clinton, who said she'll choose which powers...

...b*s*/cheney have (illegally) accumulated to keep?

Zuh?

[saracat]

51. I am not even going to quote some of what Barack said. Yes. I trust Clinton before Barack.Absolutely

And BTW, Obama has never said he would give back that authority either. AFAIK, none of then did and it did bother me, but on balance, Clinton doesn't scare me as Obama does.

[donheld]

76. I'm not going to disrespect you and your right to vote as you wish but,

I will hope that you give it more thought and more study before November. I guess we all will have to do that between now and then whether it's Barack or Hillary.

[donheld]

38. Saracat, I always thought better of you

Guess I was wrong.

[saracat]

43. Sorry Don. I do my research and Obama scares the crap out of me. I would be very difficult for me

to vote for him and I loathe Mccain. I sincerely hope Obama does NOT get the nomination.I have never before been in a position where I have even considered not voting.If I felt I had a choice and that it would make a difference for the good of the nation I would vote. I just don't believe it.

[donheld]

48. That's very sad. I hope you come around.

[saracat]

52. Thank you Don, but I can't go against my conscience and drink the cool aid.

Obama seriously scares me.

[DesEtoiles]

64. Enjoy Supreme Court Justices Yoo and Gonzales, in that case

[Connie_Corleone]

6. The Ignore function is gone. Damn.

[Bright Eyes]

7. Gee...I could say the same thing about Hillary Clinton!

[Barack_America]

12. Except that would have a ring of truth to it...

Considering it is Obama who is bringing out the African American and youth votes. There's no guarantee they would come out in the same numbers for Hillary.

[Barack_America]

9. Yep. It's what we've been seeing time and time again in the primaries thus far...

Oh wait, what we've seen is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!

:crazy:

[NMMNG]

I'm certainly not voting for him.

[Barack_America]

14. Enjoy voting for McCain. n/t

[NMMNG]

21. Who said I was voting for McBraindead?

I'm just not voting for St Obama.

[Thrill]

34. Any vote not for Obama is a vote for McCain

Bloomberg is only going to run if Hillary is the nominee

[Thrill]

15. Thats fine. Thats what I'm talking about

And thats the reason we've had George Bush for 2 terms.

[NMMNG]

24. Deal with it

Want my money and votes? Don't fuck me over.

[Thrill]

32. You're the one who has to deal with it

You'll have to live in a country with Warmonger McCain as President too. But I'm going to do my part to stop it.

[NMMNG]

36. You just assume Messiah Obama has it all wrapped up, eh?

And you guys were talking about HRC claiming "inevitability". :eyes:

[Thrill]

50. I'm not assuming anything

A lot of work still needs to be done

[Zhade]

49. Agreed. Candidates aren't OWED our viote, they have to EARN it.

You don't get to have it both ways. The candidate either supports us in exchange for our support, or we abstain as our conscience demands.

Don't like that, people? Fuck you, I no longer care. I've been a second-class citizen too long to even acknowledge your empty rhetoric.

[emilyg]

58. Agree 100%

[NMMNG]

72. Thank you.

Maybe when people stop taking us for granted they'll come around. Until then they can piss off. I'm tired of being used.

:hi: Zhade.

[angie_love]

53. Who the fuck cares what you think anyway?

People like you make me ashamed to be a democrat. I thought petty fighting was for repugs. I thought democrats were better than that. You are just so angry that Hillary is not winning that you're taking it out on Obama, Its so obvious. Well tough shit, for every 1 person like you there are 100 more who will rebuff you. We don't need people like you on our side.

[emilyg]

59. Oh but you do need people like her/him.

[angie_love]

61. you know what, then tell her/him to stop acting like a repug and being selfish

The democratic party doesn't begin and end with Hillary Clinton. She may lose the nomination, the party isn't dead with her. Its crazy to think people would rather see a repug in the white house over a democrat. This shouldn't be a her vs. him, its democrats vs. repugs. And alot of people have lost sight of that.

[emilyg]

71. This has nothing to do with Clinton.

Some of us are worried by Obama.

[angie_love]

73. and whys that?

[NMMNG]

65. No, they don't

I'm old, irrelevant, gay, atheist, uneducated, white, marginal, out of touch, and a bunch of other such things. Why would Obama or his fan club want me on their side? They've spent the past few months crapping on me and treating me like shit. Now they want to turn around and beg me to be their vote/cash ATM machine? Never again.

No offense emilyg, you have always been an asset to this board, but I've had my fill. :hug:

[NMMNG]

62. I really don't care that much about Hillary

I was only voting for her because she was all that was left besides Obama. I have plenty of reasons to not vote for Obama, which I've outlined myriad times. To hell with him and his nasty supporters (though this doesn't include the nice ones). They've made it abundantly clear they don't need or want my vote. I'm too old, gay, irrelevant, "uneducated" and all the other bullshit epithets you and your ilk have thrown at me over time. So lie in the bed you and your hero have made for yourselves.

[Pushed To The Left]

17. That would be pretty stupid of them. I plan on voting for the Demcratic candidate

in November regardless of whether it's my candidate Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.

[bellasgrams]

29. saracat-I know my friends don't like BO and I don't know what they

will do. I hope a 3rd party jumps in like Bloomberg or Hagel, I just can't see voting for BO, he has completely alienated me. I just feel he will really screw the country.

[saracat]

37. Exactly. I just read his first book and the quotes from it are "chilling"

How anyone can read what he has written and support him is unbelievable. And he is given a pass on "everything".He consorted with a figure under federal investigation for racketeering and went to him for real estate advice, while he was under federal investigation.Why does no one have a problem with that? He took over $100,00 in donations from this criminal., while he was under federal investigation, and had to be pressured to return the donations from this criminal, that he received knowing the guy was under investigation and it doesn't bother anyone? Then he "lied to ABC about it. Why does no one have a problem with that?

[angie_love]

54. You do know Hagel is a repug don't you?

What are you doing on DU? Bloomberg was a republican until recently. I think you're mistaking DU for freerepublic.

[emilyg]

60. You're not alone.

[pocoloco]

31. Big fucking deal.

Who cares if the repugs don't vote??

[Moh96]

47. how about when he said i will not always be right but I will listen

Don't you want to give him the chance to listen to you and tell him why you do not like him?

[BringBigDogBack]

56. you must have lost your fucking mind.

[BringBigDogBack]

57. Hillary would cause many people to stay home or not vote.

FIFY D-A.

[bellasgrams]

22. Repbs don't scare me near as much as BO

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. None of that is going to happen.

No matter who is elected.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. Cheer up, Sunshine.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/11/cyclops_narrowweb__300x375,0.jpg
Cyclops kitten

[The_Casual_Observer]

23. But everybody will get a pony!

[LakeSamish706]

4. Barak will win November hands down, if the election is not stolen like previous ones. n/t

[RememberWellstone]

20. Just like Dukakis?

You can fool the weak-minded but there is the other 56% to garner votes from. He cannot pull it out if he wins the nomination..no way, no how.

[LakeSamish706]

28. Thats your opinion, and your entitled to it... But your wrong. n/t

[Independent-Voter]

79. Dukakis was a douchebag, much like Kerry. He was utterly unelectable

Really folks, Dukakis?

[MrSlayer]

8. I think he'll win but you are not going to get all that.

You have zero chance of anyone being prosecuted for war crimes/profiteering. There is also zero chance the war is going to end forthwith. That money you are talking about is gone for good but the budget will be balanced in a few years. Points four and five probably have the best chance of happening.

[TexasObserver]

10. Obama will win in November.

[jackson_dem]

13. Obama has to clear the security threshold question first

How is someone with no experience going to do that in the general? He will be the least experienced president in a century, and that one was a war hero and former governor of the largest state who wasn't elected but succeeded to the presidency.

[Catherine Vincent]

18. He'll be our "George W. Bush!"

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

40. I can't figure out which inexperienced president was "former governor of the largest state", "wasn't

elected, but succeeded to the presidency", and yet was a "WAR HERO". Shrub definitely wasn't a war hero, though he fits the other two categories. I might guess Theodore Roosevelt, since he was a war hero and governor of the most populous state at the time, but he at least won one presidential election, unlike Shrub. So I don't know, who are you referring to?

[Blue-Jay]

68. Ronny Pants-Pooper made some war films...

Does that count?

[IntravenousDemilo]

75. Nah, he was elected.

Besides, wasn't he already almost too fuckin' old to serve in WW2? (hee hee)

[C_U_L8R]

16. He will.. IF you will help him

(and us)

[Tatiana]

19. If we stand together and turn out, he will win.

All of the things you listed are part of Obama's platform, including bringing our troops home by 2009.

The policy discussions of senior administration officials will take place in the open and even be posted to the internet.

Habeas corpus will be restored.

Torture will not be condoned.

He's promised this. And trust me, if he does not deliver, I will be the first one in line to vote him out of office.

[bellasgrams]

35. I have no doubt that if he should get in it will go repb in 2012.

[cooolandrew]

25. Mostly they will get away with it, it's why I backed Kucinich no-one left promised this...

... To get things done in DCyou need a 2 party solution whatever way folks cut it. Upsetting very spoilt republicans with impeachment means no progress. Just the flawed system is really.

[elixir]

27. Let's hope he comes up with some plans before then (if he makes it).

[DUyellow]

45. WE can only win if you help... Obama or Clinton

[Beausoir]

63. It's going to be fun to see Obama being tested. Really tested.

He's got some really rough months ahead and I will enjoy seeing how he responds to some real pressure.

[Jeffro40]

66. He won't . . . and here's why I'm reluctantly switching to Hillary

Obama is a wonderful speaker - he says all the right things, fills me with hope for the future. And that's exactly why we're going to lose if he is the nominee.

The Republicans don't do hope, joy, or togetherness. They do one thing - win elections. If you think they feminized and destroyed Kerry, wait till you see what they do to Obama. They'll be ruthless, they'll be nasty, they'll be mean, and they will win.

Hillary is already hated by them, and they've blown their wad on her already. She can and will fight to win. And in the end, she'll beat McCain, and she'll give them black eyes in the process.

Yes, I love Obama, but Hillary must be the nominee.

[jillan]

67. agreed! I am not ready for President McCain - and I'm not convinced

Obama is going to be able to deal with what will be coming his way.

My god - he gets so flustered when Hillary throws something at him, and that is nothing compared
to what the gopers are going to throw at him.

[NegativeCreep]

70. It's gonna take a whole helluva lot more than

vague hope and change bullshit to defeat the Republicans.
Obama is doomed.

[angie_love]

74. no, you are doomed. i hope they tombstone you very soon.

[emilyg]

77. This kind of mean attitude does not speak well for

for what type of people Obama attracts.

[angie_love]

78. Emily, you missed the other thread where he said he is actively going to vote for McCain

and try to work to take Obama down if hes the nominee. That is the context of which I typed my response.

[Neshanic]

69. Nice list. No on 1. No on 2.Big no on 3, as he is a stealth establishment guy,

No on 4, as related to 1, because "situations on the ground demand that we stay". Yes on 5.

One out of five...not bad.

But again, he will not win.