You are really sick and you need to go to the doctor...

[Bread and Circus]

which doctor do you want?

The "fresh and energetic" 46 year old doctor that is well read and up to date on the latest diagnostics and treatment and who seems to have a pulse on the types of problems you have?

or

The "more experienced" 72 year old tired and stooped doctor that is practicing medicine out of a textbook from the 1980's who doesn't seem to have a clue what's wrong with the types of problems you have or even seems to deny you have a problem in the first place?

[VolcanoJen]

1. Well, we're not electing Surgeon General.

But I see your point. :-)

[Skittles]

2. careful with that shit

older does not necessarily mean out of touch

[Bread and Circus]

4. No, but there's more to decision making than age... and McCain IS OUT OF TOUCH.

He acts like the only problem in America are terrorists when that's just one of dozens and is not really the most imminent to our well being.

The most imminent threats are economic both micro and macro.

[Skittles]

14. I never said McCain wasn't out of touch

I'm taking issue with the OP's stereotyping of young/old folk

[Sapphocrat]

19. Damn straight, Skittles.

My 86-year-old mother -- whose body is failing rapidly, but whose mind is sharp as a Samurai sword, who still works 35 hours a week, and who still drives herself everywhere (without sone, single, goddammned ticket since she first got behind the wheel in 1943) -- knows shit from Shinola when she sees it.

And she's seeing a whole lot of shit (and Shinola, in the context of "polishing a turd") lately, with no help from me.

And she votes.

[Bread and Circus]

21. Good for your Grandma, what kind of medicine does she practice?

[Sapphocrat]

26. You are the meanest of the mean.

Your posts are filled with utter hate, and it shows, every time you go near your keyboard. The hate just oozes from you.

I know you won't care -- but then, I won't give a flying fuck what your nasty response will be once I hit Ignore on you.

And it's far past time I did.

You really piss me off. Which, I am certain, you will take as a compliment.

May you learn some shame one day. Until then, enjoy your pyrrhic victory. It's going to come back and bite you so hard in the ass, a hemorrhoid pillow will be of no relief.

It makes me sick that you call yourself a Democrat.

[Bread and Circus]

28. Um...you came in my thread to criticize my point. I don't bug you or follow you around...

It sounds like you have issues and take all of this way too seriously.

If you don't like to have a discussion then don't hang out on a discussion board.

If you don't like being on the losing side of an argument, then be careful the kinds of arguments you make.

I don't hate anybody and trust me I have you and many others like you on ignore just to avoid the conflict. I didn't go bother you and insult you in your threads so why are you doing this to me?

Are you going to bring your posse like you folks have done to me in other threads, acting like a bunch of blacktop bullies?

Please, relieve me of your posts in my threads.

[NMMNG]

38. Bwahahaha

[QC]

35. I really hate it when the twitfilter is not working.

It's the only time I ever see posts like the one you are responding to.

[Mojorabbit]

36. As a retired nurse who is married to a physician

it all depends. A young doc may know all the latest but lack the experience to make a correct diagnosis. An older doc may have kept up on the latest info through cme but has the advantage if he is a good doc of that intangible "knowing" correctly what the problem is from experience. Medicine is an art as much as a science. The young doc might be brilliant and make a good decision. The older doc might be a horrible doc or vice versa. Judgment and intuition are not age specific. If this makes no sense it is because I have had one too many glasses of wine.

[Skittles]

24. lots of older folk are damn savvy

combine that with the wisdom that can ONLY come with age and they can be a force to be reckoned with - yes INDEED!!!

[Blue State Bandit]

3. And a wife who keep pilfering his little black bag.

[napi21]

5. Sorry but that's NOT your only choice. I chose an experienced Dr.

who is around 45-55. He's still active enough to pay close attention to the current medical stuff, but experienced enough to recognize when sonething simply doesn't make sense.

[gateley]

6. I don't think that's a fair analogy. Pretty nasty. nt

[Bread and Circus]

8. Why not?

[Skittles]

16. think about it this way

you have a pilot and copilot on your plane - do you want two young ones, two old ones, or one young pilot and one old pilot? It's not right to insinuate old means out of touch. If you think McCain is out of touch (which he is) then JUST SAY THAT - don't use an analogy that demeans older folk in general

[Bread and Circus]

20. Well, the RW is going to be ageist whether you like it or not. Only it will be cloaked

as the "experience" argument.

[Skittles]

22. correct

and they will insinuate Obama cannot possibly know enough about anything because of his comparative youth. Neither one of them will get the srutiny Hillary would get though - that's for sure.

[gateley]

42. To use the doctor analogy, my dad was a surgeon and was always studying,

researching, and conferencing to keep up with the latest techniques as well as experimental options.

Just because you're older and experienced, doesn't mean you stop learning and and expanding at a certain age, nor does it mean you live in the past.

And just FYI, I'm not a Hillary supporter - I just don't think the way this was presented is fair or necessarily accurate.

[Occam Bandage]

11. I do. McCain is scum.

[gateley]

46. SCREAM!

I thought the OP was contrasting Obama to Hillary! I swear to God! Didn't read it closely, just scanned and assumed.

GOD - how embarassing! :blush:

I saw your post and thought - what does McCain have to do with it? Then re-read the OP.

My apologies to Hillary supporters - honestly! :pals:

[OnionRing Sasquatch]

7. Are you talking about..

Ron Paul? Except he's 126 years old

[Occam Bandage]

12. McCain. Welcome to DU.

(And, I assume, politics)

[OnionRing Sasquatch]

23. McCain???

Sounds familiar, he was one of Kerry's swift boat buddies right? Sorry I was so busy driving onion rings into me my fingers slipped when I tried to type the sarcasm smiley, Damn you my greasy loves. Ron Paul Really is 126. Did you know Ron Paul actually delivered John McCain on August 29th 1936.

[Bright Eyes]

9. Where ever my HMO sends me

:(

Although even THAT will be gone in a few months

[SoCalDem]

10. Shhhhh.. you'll wake the doctor

[Cheeseburger Walrus]

13. Congratulations...

...for one of the weakest false dichotomies I have seen today! :boring:

Edited as my link was forced into failure.

[Alameda]

15. That is a bad analogy

I had an 80 something year old dentist who kept up with the latest technology. He was a true master artist, also knew how to use tools younger ones would not bother with. Most the younger ones only know how to use more high tech, less hands on techniques. He did amazing work. I wish there were more like him. I haven't found anyone who can replace him.

I don't like McCain, but it's not because of his age. It's his ideas.

Instead of being ageist, find a better argument.

[Skittles]

17. you know it, Alameda

I don't think the OP meant to come of as ageist but they most certianly did

[Bread and Circus]

18. You are right, examples like these exist. However, that's the exception as

most professionals don't work like that into their 70's and 80's.

The point where the analogy applies is that McCain, despite his "length of time" in politics, is quite out of touch with the real problems people are facing.

And furthermore, he is practicing with a "textbook out the 80's" as he is just recycling Reaganism.

It's about how to frame things.

But if y'all want to stick up for McCain, so be it.

[Skittles]

25. no one is sticking up for McCain

we are sticking up - rightfully so - for older folk in general - HUGE difference

[Bread and Circus]

30. Then you are stupid because this isn't about older folk, it's about McCain

who would happen to be 72 by time he would be President.

He also happens to be out of touch and out of date as he is recycling Reaganism, that has nothing to do with his age. However, it shows his "experience" hasn't taught him much or he has forgotten what he has learned as he went back to embrace the RW.

And you aren't sticking up for old folks, you are just trying to tear me down with a straw man argument.

[Alameda]

33. It's NOT about you,

it's about your comment. I have no idea who you are, and am only responding to your ideas as expressed in your message.

[Bread and Circus]

34. Give it a rest. Seriously, this thread is not worth all your energy.

[Skittles]

47. THAT is readily apparent

:o

[Skittles]

48. it's hopeless, Alameda

another one who just does not get it

[Alameda]

31. it has nothing to do with sticking up for McCain

.....it's your stupid analogy that misses the point and is ageist.

[bellasgrams]

27. If I was having a complicated surgery and I had the choice

of a 46 yr old surgeon who had never done the surgery nor witnessed one I would take the 60 yr old with the experience that didn't have to read it out of a book before reacting to an emergency.

[Bread and Circus]

32. Well, Hillary already lost that argument and for the record she's never

been President before. And for that matter, neither has McCain.

And the only "surgery" Hillary ever did was the 1993 health care botch job, which you can read all about at thenation and counterpunch.

[Mythsaje]

29. My doctor is younger than me by about five years or so...

I place him around 35. But he listens to me and, more importantly, to my wife. He takes us seriously and that's the MOST important thing for me in a doctor of whatever age or gender.

[nonconformist]

37. But the "fresh" doctor really doesn't have a pulse on my problems

And some of my problems, he may lecture about them, but he doesn't treat them.

What do I do?

I seek a third opinion and book an appointment with the experienced doctor who has been treating problems like mine for years.

In the end though, I have to cancel my appointment and not see any doctor, because I don't have health insurance.

[lumberjack_jeff]

39. Wouldn't a 22 year old doctor be even more "fresh and energetic"?

[Bread and Circus]

43. A 22 year old doctor would be Doogie Howser.

For the most part, Doctors aren't out in practice for themselves until their late 20's or early 30's depending on their specialty.

At 22, most are just finishing up college or just entering Med School (as was I).

[JackBeck]

40. The doctor that has the most up to the minute information

Regardless of their experience, or age.

Depending on a medical service provider's passions, you can come across many service provider's that have a dedication to their clients and their field, regardless of their age, or when they were "schooled".

You're analogy is way off the mark.

Would you rather a doctor fresh out of medical school (remember, what do you call someone who graduates last in their class from medical school?) without the client experience to interact with clients, since they only are diagnosing from a book?

Or someone who has been in the field with the client experience who are able to notice symptomatic trends because of their vast wealth of client interactions?

[riverwalker]

41. If experience mattered

maybe we should draft Robert Byrd to run for prez.

[Crunchy Frog]

44. Hey, check out this Youtube video on that theme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSt1m4NFUl8

[Beausoir]

45. You are foolish to dismiss experience. Especially as it pertains to medical issues.

I will take an old experienced doctor any day of the week over a fresh-faced kid.

And I know what I am talking about.