"Superdelegate Intervention Theory" is flawed

[x-g.o.p.er]

I have seen many posters tonight that feel the superdelegates will step in and force out the Clinton's, and they will appeal to them to drop out for the good of the party. I feel there are two flaws in this theory:

1) The Clinton's don't give a damn about the party, they want Hillary in the White House. So that argument will fall on deaf ears, and they will ride this all the way to the bitter end and destroy the party if they have to. And they are so convinced she is the better candidate they won't see what they're doing as destructive.

2) The Superdelegates won't stand up to the Clinton's individually. They fear retribution and being frozen out of power if she makes a comeback, and there is no single Superdelegate that will "unite the clans" and be their spokesman. And they have a lot of powerful supporters in the superdelegates that can make persuasive arguments for them. Pelosi and Gore have been floated, but make no mistake, the Clinton's still run the Democratic Party. The party is the Establishment, she is the Establishment Candidate. No one in the Democratic leadership of the DNC was appointed without their tacit consent or approval, no one in the party leadership in Congress is there without their tacit approval, so therefore, they probably still feel that this is her nomination to lose.

[stahbrett]

1. Super delegates will not override Obama's lead

No way, no how... they're not that stupid.

[x-g.o.p.er]

2. We'll see

The Clinton's hold a lot more sway behind the scenes than you think.

[TexasObserver]

4. Nah, you're wrong. They DON'T have the ability to win more superDs.

And you're wrong about the intervention.

You're new to the Democratic party, aren't you?

They are already working on getting a group to send to talk to her.

[stahbrett]

10. So explain why Hillary has lost 13 or so super-delegate commitments in the last 2 weeks (nt)

[rhett o rick]

8. It has nothing to do with smart vs. stupid. The corporate power machine doesn't really

care which party wins as long as it is a good little corporate lackey. The Democratic (big D only) machine may well give the nod to Sen Clinton and to hell with the grass-roots voters. The reason for the super-duper-delegate system is to insure that the stupid rank and file don't get out of line. They know best. You will be allowed to vote, but it just may not count. Kinda like the Washington the state primary.

[HeraldSquare212]

3. I disagree - part of their hold is based on fear, and fear is fading

the shoe is on the other foot now, and SDs can put the Clintons down if they want to. they won't do it individually - they'll check in with each other first and then do it one by one. Things like Pelosi's recent statements, and even Schumer and Rangel's recent statements, will give them enough cover to act.

[TexasObserver]

16. An old lion is king of the pride, then one day a young lion shows up, and it's over for the old lion

No one is scared of the old lions, Hill and Bill, any more. They're viewed now as old, toothless lions who aren't to be feared because they can't do diddly any more.

And guess what? Most of the true party warriors are glad to see them get body slammed.

They are DONE.

[grantcart]

5. I have a different scenario that it will be lead by her own SDs

Specifically by the AA that jumped in too soon and now find that they have 0% support in their Black districts.

[taught_me_patience]

6. Clinton will drop out well before the convention

She is a woman of honor and integrity. If she refuses to drop out, the superdelegates will make sure she drops out.

[JVS]

7. That's now how it works. They don't ask her to quit they say "we're voting for Obama...

because unless you win TX,PA, and OH by HUGE margins, which you won't, then you are the unpopular candidate"

It's a simple matter of eliminating the last possible way for her to get the nomination.

[bellasgrams]

12. Why would she want to drop out when there's still lots of

people to vote. I'm sick of you people wanting to call the election off before it's over. Not everyone has voted. We are just as entitled to vote as you are. I'll tell you one thing if anybody trys to force anybody out before the election is over McCain will have no problem getting in.

[JVS]

15. Oh, gee. Ignore is working again.

I vote in PA.

The desire is for the disgusting last ditch smear attempts that a doomed candidate lashes out with to be halted, lest they damage our chances in Nov.

[westlaw97]

9. Gov. Wilder issued a warning

Gov. Wilder has come out and said that if the Clintons attempt any power play to steal the nomination from Barack, that the Barack team will go out into the streets at the convention, and out-do 1968 in Chicago. That's quite a threat to the Clinton establishment.

[billyoc]

11. Clinton's SD's don't seem to have a problem standing up to her individually,

as they're publicly jumping ship by twos and threes. And as far as the Clintons running the Democratic party, that's ridiculous. Howard Dean would have about as much chance of being the DNC chair as I would if that were true. :eyes:

[Johnny__Motown]

13. #2) many SD have already flipped from her to him, also if you get enough SD pledged to hit 2025 it

may be enough to force them to see that they lost.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. Your premise is wrong

[smalll]

17. Another paid shill for the apostrophe companies --

"the Clinton's" ????

[HeraldSquare212]

18. Per MSNBC,it turns out Obama raised $36M in Jan, not $32M

that's late news, I guess, but has to have an impact on how SDs feel.