Three times in a row, Hillary Clinton failed to congratulate Obama on his victories

[zulchzulu]

This just shows you why so many people have made the correct judgment that Hillary Clinton is not only divisive, but also a sore loser. This is not the kind of character I would want anywhere near the White House. It is nothing short of pathetic. What kind of example does this set for young women looking at her as a role model? Actually, who needs her to congratulate Obama anyway...she never admits to a mistake in the first place.

Three times may make a trend: for the third primary/caucus night in a row, Hillary Clinton has taken the stage at a post-election rally and failed to mention her losses, or congratulate her winning opponent, Barack Obama.

She spent Tuesday night at a rally in Youngstown, Ohio, looking ahead to the primary there on March 4. She made no mention of Wisconsin.

Last Tuesday in El Paso, Texas, hours after getting swept in the Potomac primaries that night, she didn’t acknowledge her rival’s big day. The Saturday before that in Richmond, Virginia, she spoke at the state’s Jefferson-Jackson Dinner and ignored Obama’s string of four primary and caucus wins that day.

After reports that focused on the second oversight, Clinton congratulated Obama at a press conference the next day.

Acknowledging your losses isn’t required in politics, though it is a courtesy that’s been practiced for decades.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/19/clintons-election-night-speech-fails-to-mention-election/

Wave goodbye, Hillary. Wave goodbye.

[Alexander]

1. She has as much class as many of her supporters.

None.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. We aspire to be as classy

as the Obama supporters here. :eyes:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

40. r e a l l y . . . try charm school. it might help.

because the effort so far has been rather unbelievable.

[MonkeyFunk]

57. Tongiht...

I don't give a fuck what you think. You guys (not all Obama supporters - just the dicks) have been beyond-the-pale, over-the-top jerks.

As I said in another thread, for the first time ever in this campaign, I found myself wondering whether or not I could actually vote for Obama in the GE.

I will, of course, but it shocked me that the behavior of the assholes here even planted the thought in my head that Obama supporters deserve to lose so they might learn a little humility.

You guys are being total pricks (again, not all Obama supporters - not even most. Just the ball-spiking junior high assholes).

And the irony is that I've always liked Obama. I never started a thread attacking him. I never gloated when he had a bad day. I even defended him many many times against what I thought were unjust attacks.

But you guys suck.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

59. sorry. seriously.

I am not a sucker. I am more of a spitter.

I have serious, actual factual, personal disagreements with Ms. Rodham. That woman. Hillary. Say what you want. She has EARNED this, and frankly, I have to admit that I am rejoicing. Rarely, if ever, have I been so happy to see the defeat of someone I feared might buy or pressure her way into an office for which she was mentally, socially, physically, and psychologically totally incapable of handling.

but, I admit, I rejoice.

[MonkeyFunk]

65. There's nothing wrong with rejoicing when you win!

I'd be thrilled if my candidate won. But you know what I've always done when she didn't win? I congratulated the winner and shut the fuck up.

Taunting and bullying the supporters of the losing team has always struck me as the height of assholishness - and not just this election. I've felt that way since I was a kid. I just don't understand what joy you take out of kicking people when they're down - especially when the people you're kicking are supposedly on your side. It's just pure malice; intentional cruelty. And as Truman Capote said, the only unforgivable sin is intentional cruelty.

It shows a severe personal, psychological, moral defect. Real winners just shake hands and move on.

[miceelf]

93. Well

That's exactly how I feel about SOME of the Clinton supporters here. I know it's been a while, but you may recall all the crowing that went on after NH, and after some of the supertuesday wins. Neither side has a monopoly on classnessness here on DU.

[emilyg]

46. She called Obama.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

62. you stopped too soon. what did she call him this time?

[niceypoo]

101. Another classless post by an Obama supporter

and another thread about a phoney non issue

[CorpGovActivist]

118. .

[tammywammy]

2. MSNBC said that she called him after his speech was over

to congratulate him.

[zulchzulu]

5. That is not enough... that's taking the cowardly approach

All she had to do was say nine words:

"I want to congratulate Barack Obama on his victory tonight."

Hell, her fans could have booed for all I care. It's called doing a common courtesy. Decent people do that.

[tammywammy]

6. I agree, she should have said something at the beginning of her speech

But at least she did call. :shrug:

[rodeodance]

12. get over it. Its all about you isn't it!! you want you want you want. ha ha

[GoldieAZ49]

23. No Class - Just like Hillary

you have been all over these threads tonight lying about Hillary congratulating Obama or thanking her support in Wisconsin.

your whining is bad enough, your lying is inexcusable.

[rodeodance]

47. keeping you on your toes sweetie

[GoldieAZ49]

no need to be 'on your toes' with the Clintons

Hillary camp has made it very easy, if their lips are moving, they are lying.

typing in your case.

her 'inevitability' is pretty sweet now, isn't it?

The FREE 45 minutes of Obama nationwide on all cable news channels was sweet as well, hope you enjoyed it.

[rodeodance]

68. this poster heard her say to WI. Do not EVER call me lyer again:

Go back to previous topic
Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject The first thing she did was thank them.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4669903#4670049
4670049, The first thing she did was thank them.
Posted by pirhana on Tue Feb-19-08 08:36 PM

:spank:

[GoldieAZ49]

74. YOU said YOU listened to it on ABC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4670180&mesg_id=4674589

If you don't want to be called a liar then don't lie.

[Darth_Kitten]

94. She's got plenty class.

Maybe take some of your stridency out on your fellow Obama supporters. Not the ones writing all the sneering, immature posts, dear. You know the ones.....

[Darth_Kitten]

92. I guess they are so used to their parents caving in to their tantrums.....

they expect the world to as well. LOL

[MonkeyFunk]

17. Concession speeches are common

when you lose an election - not a primary.

This fake outrage over not conceding every primary is just stupid - it's not a tradition, it's not expected.

[zulchzulu]

24. It's not expected from sore losers and cowards

I admire those that can have the pride enough in themselves to admit a loss and move on. That's called being classy.

Why did she congratulate Obama before on her other losses? Not a tradition? Not expected?

:crazy:

[MonkeyFunk]

35. Nah

you're wrong, as usual.

It's not the custom to concede every primary, no matter how much you bitch about it.

[Darth_Kitten]

100. Maybe Obama is the coward, for not taking hard stands on anything?

I admire those who naturally have guts and don't take the safe, easy, politically correct route.

[XemaSab]

27. Then why did Howard Dean take so much shit for not conceding Iowa?

:shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

37. He didn't take any shit for not conceding.

He took shit for acting like a lunatic.

[XemaSab]

45. He took shit for not conceding as much as anything

Trust me.

[MonkeyFunk]

53. No, trust me

I was watching closely.

He took shit for his speech being over-the-top crazy. Nobody faulted him for not conceding - they faulted him for acting insane.

[XemaSab]

63. Um...I was there.

Checkmate.

[MonkeyFunk]

69. Who gives a hyena's shit if you were in the room?

I'm talking about the press coverage.

Nobody said "OMG! He didn't concede!" They said "OMG! He lost badly and then acted crazy!"

[rch35]

55. Dean acted like a lunatic?

bullshit.

Dean acted with the excitement and passion I'd like to see more in politics.

[MonkeyFunk]

77. I watched it on TV with my brother right next to me

we looked at each other and our jaws dropped.

I like Dean.

He fucked up badly that night, though.

[rch35]

81. it was blown ridiculously out of proportion

it was a lame sounding yell

and the dave chappelle episode where he makes fun of it is hilarious.

but the shit he got for it was unbearable

[Recursion]

105. You do know they filtered out the audio from the crowd, right?

The "scream" was him trying to shout with the people in the room.

[NashVegas]

85. "we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico ..."

CNN made sure we got the scream, is why.

[dchill]

70. Everyone else did.

And primaries ARE elections.

[NashVegas]

84. Yeah, It's All About You, All Right

Hillary does not owe Obama supporters congratulations.

[Darth_Kitten]

91. Oh, get off it already.

Quite frankly, the more strident Obama supporters need a lesson in civility and graciousness.

Common courtesy? LOL

Think somebody has a grudge because their man who can do no wrong is not seen as some kind of God. Get over it. Move on.

[Cha]

7. I wonder why she doesn't do it

publicly? Strategy, no doubt. Playing to the base? Or all those undecideds whom they think perfer rudeness?

[tammywammy]

33. It's a non-issue

She called him personally.

[Cha]

39. Sorry, I'm like the OP..I don't

think it's a non-issue..it's always something nefarious with them.

[springhill]

67. Oh for Christ's sake........

You guys are just unbelievable. You read her mind, you absolutely know her evil intentions on every issue. You are worse than the media who trashed Gore for inventing the internet. I was not for Hillary in the beginning of this race. I wanted Kucinich. But the total compulsion to jump on her every word or action no matter how trivial is just sick.

And why weren't there these posts lamenting Kerry's support for the Iraq war resolution back in 2004? I don't remember the kind of vitrol directed at him that has been aimed at Clinton. This board has been infiltrated, by what I don't know, but in ain't pretty.

[Cha]

78. Don't talk to me about reading hilary's

mind..we've all seen her dirty tricks since Obama won Iowa..she hasn't shown one ounce of class and is a pitiful sore loser. Freakin' hilary is as obvious as a fucking train wreck.

[babylonsister]

3. She knew she'd lose tonight and had a negative speech ready to go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4669899&mesg_id=4669899

How sick is that?

[zulchzulu]

14. It really was an angry, scuttled (and of course, deceptive) attempt at a speech

You could see just how negative she is going to try to go. The debate on Thursday will be interesting in how she either plays the "high road" or just starts flinging mud in all directions. I'm guessing a little of both...

[babylonsister]

22. I really wish Obama could bow out of yet another debate.

Then again, he's honing his skills, and will be superb! Thanks, Hillary, for being an enabler.

[AtomicKitten]

4. Her paucity of class is pretty breathtaking.

Jeez, it's really considered common courtesy. Feh.

:patriot:

[zulchzulu]

8. Is she going to say she was advised not to do it?

It sounds like MacAulliffe would whisper that kind of crap to her.

BTW, how ya doing AK!

:thumbsup:

[AtomicKitten]

19. I am a happy camper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybk4MeUGBVo

[emilyg]

50. She called him.

Don't let facts stop you.

[AtomicKitten]

112. for three consecutive contests, she has failed to thank him in a concession speech

as per tradition --

Don't let lack of class stop you from admitting she fails even at something as basic as common courtesy ...

[TheDonkey]

9. It's sad to see her like this. Such a poor loser, looking like she is cowering in the corner

afraid to show any emotion towards Obama and the incredible change he is ushering in.

[psychopomp]

16. Hubris

Too late, she will find that the Democratic party has outgrown her.

[returnable]

10. Won't admit IWR was a mistake. Won't admit she lost another state.

Not a surprise, but it is what it is. Whatever the reason, seems like the base of the party is kind of tired of the act.
:kick:

[Arugula Latte]

20. We've had seven years of a stubborn, arrogant, pissy president.

We've had enough.

[Purveyor]

11. And all three cable news networks, CNN, MSNBC FOX and even CSPAN did the right thing

and cut from her non-consession speech to cover the Obama address...start to finish.

[GoldieAZ49]

34. 45 minutes Nationwide!

Great FREE coverage for Obama!!!

[MonkeyFunk]

13. more bullshit

MSNBC just reported that she called him personally to congratulate him.

But why tell the truth when the facts don't suit your agenda?

[zulchzulu]

18. So she doesn't have the courage to say it in a speech?

You're sticking up for the story that she called him... ferchrissakes, don't you find that a tad phony and perhaps a bit cowardly?

Never mind. Unless you want to kick the thread, don't bother answering.

[maddiejoan]

21. Because they won't be happy

until she is writhing around in the mud, and tearing her hair out in chunks while offering her abject apologies for all the horrendous things she has done to this country and to Obama.

They also hope it will be Pay per View and the proceeds given directly to Obama's campaign coffers.

[babylonsister]

26. White flags, or words (which she doesn't trust) work. nt

[tammywammy]

28. Pay per View Candidate mud wrestling

Now, there's an idea. LOL. :)

[maddiejoan]

32. Might be the only way for Hillary to win at this point.

She's scrappy.

[tammywammy]

38. In a thread earlier

Someone said "cage match" with Michelle Obama vs Cindy McCain. I totally think Michelle would fling out the folding chair. :)

And a bonus for Hillary, her hair isn't all that long so it would be holder to grab on it in a fight. But I dunno, Obama is quite a bit taller, he has more reach.

[maddiejoan]

48. Two words

Powerful thighs.

[zulchzulu]

29. Wouldn't it be nice if she could at least thank Obama on a victory?

In real life, if you were in a situation where someone won, wouldn't you tahnk them on their win? Is common courtesy something that people aren't aware of?

:shrug:

[maddiejoan]

36. She called him to congratulate him

your concern seems to me more centered on your need for her to congratulate you.

[rodeodance]

56. thanks, I told him it was all about "me" also. btw--this reminds me of

there need to her to apolgize for the authorization for war. I am beginning to think it is not about that vote as their need to hear her apologize. it goes on and on.

[CatnHat]

31. LOL

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Beausoir]

44. Maddiejoan...you are so right. As usual.

There is nothing. NOTHING that will stop the Obamaroids in their hatred of Hillary Clinton.

Even after the Republicans are finished eviscerating Obama...it will STILL be Clinton's fault.

[rodeodance]

52. they have their little kicks-orgasms as they smear her

[maddiejoan]

54. It demonstrates one thing

Most are not actually ProBama™.

They are just garden variety Clinton Haters.

I actually like the ProBamas™ (which is what I might call myself if he's the nom)

Clinton Haters can kiss my ass.

[rodeodance]

61. yes. there is that distinction--but most of them can not see that ----. chuckle, i like that label.

[GoldieAZ49]

72. Now there is a visual!!!! Thanks for that!!

:smoke:

[GoldieAZ49]

114. ...

[tammywammy]

25. I agree

This is a stupid issue. While I think it would have been nice if she had said congrats in the speech, it's a non-issue. And she called so it's really moot.

[Skarbrowe]

30. Yeah, and I thought it was hilarious when Obama knocked her off the

air right after she started her speech so he could give his. It was cool though, because KO said Obama was worried about his audience having to stand so long. Then he gave, what was that..a two hour speech? Hope nobody fainted or nothin'.

Hey Obama, I know ya gotta it, you gotta flaunt it...go Obama, you know got it, you gotta flaunt it!

He's knocking Hillary to the moon! To the moon, Hillary!

Oh, why can't some one give me a shot or something, pass me a virus, ANYTHING, to get me on this feel good stuff. I want to be on the happy side. I've always known Hillary had too much baggage. You have to admit, though, she's putting up a pretty good fight. I'm hope she makes a decision after March 4th myself. Hard to say. It's up the to the individual and I don't think it's going to hurt the party. Did you see McCain? I supposed if he picks a strapping VP there might be trouble. Obama should have no problem with McCain with the mood the country is in.

Nope, nothing is stopping Senator Barack Obama, the man three years out of the Illinois legislature. He will surround himself with great advisors and the people will be happy. So be it.

[Darth_Kitten]

98. Wow, bet your friends are like happy and stuff.

ooo weeeee, we are WINNING. It doesn't matter what Obama or Hillary are talking about, our guy is, like, COOL, you know?

One day, the kiddies are going to grow up and realize that their man isn't a perfect God. And man, are they going to be bummed or what? :rofl: :sarcasm:

[CatnHat]

41. Even when Obama

wins, still have to put up with this nonsense. :boring: :boring: :boring:

Isn't wining enough for these folks, do they have to drag Clinton in the mud along with it. Sad.

[emilyg]

42. CNN just said she called him.

[rodeodance]

58. they don't care about that as you can see:-(

[emilyg]

80. It's like a pack of wild dogs attacking. Disgusting.

[casus belli]

43. I'd rather she didn't. It's better than insincerity. n/t

[Major Hogwash]

49. She doesn't know how to lose gracefully.

There's even an article that was posted at Huffington about it.

Losing 10 primaries in a row is not losing by a hair - it's getting blown out of the race.

That's 20% of the country that has spoken, and they all say they want Obama.

She should just call it a day.
This weekend she should sit down with her advisors and speech writers and write a great speech giving Obama credit for what he has done, and then end her campaign on Tuesday next week.

If this gets uglier in Texas, it could cost the Democrats a lot of votes in the fall.

If it gets much uglier in Ohio, it could cost us the entire state of Ohio in the fall.

Mathematically, she's out of the race.

That's a bitter pill to swallow, but she must face the facts.
For the good of the party.
For the good of the country.
For our future.

It was a great race, she gave it her best shot, but there's something more important than winning debates and primaries - and that's winning the race in the fall for the White House.

[nomorewhopper]

51. arrogance. plain and simple

[Tatiana]

60. It's about appearances. She doesn't want to project the image of a loser.

Which I understand. Can you imagine the video clips and sound-bytes of her conceding state after state after state being replayed over and over?

This would discourage her supporters, dry up fundraising efforts, and cause already grumbling superdelegates to defect. So even though it isn't in keeping with past practice, I don't know that we've had a candidate that has gone on such a losing streak and still stayed in the race. In that context, it's probably wise not to congratulate Obama on his numerous victories.

[Cheeseburger Walrus]

64. Wow, I think I just...

...wet a little at the pettiness of this post.

[Raine]

66. Sore LOSER

again and again...you'd think she would be used to it enough by now to show some class. x(

[CatnHat]

75. IF

Obama would win the nomination, might be fun to watch the republican's get into "smear mode". :popcorn:
I know I'll be watching.

:yoiks:

[Raine]

82. It will be interesting

that's for sure.

[OnionRing Sasquatch]

71. Bore Off

just because there was a primary tonight doesn't mean you have to make a post.

[Nutmegger]

73. She called

Just like John Edwards called after Obama's win in Iowa.

But that won't stop the Obama supporters. :crazy:

[jillan]

76. She called him to personally congratulate him - is that not good enough for

you?

[Obamaman2008]

79. Nope, that is why she was knocked on National TV n/t

[zulchzulu]

83. It's fascinating to me that NOT ONE Hillary supporter thought a common courtesy was needed

Saying nine simple words...

1. I
2. want
3. to
4. congratulate
5. Barack
6. Obama
7. for
8. his
9. victory

...is just too much for a politician to do or say in a speech.

Hell, it takes about 5 seconds to say. And to not say those nine simple words for the past three losses is just plain classless. It's not about "hate". It's called a common courtesy. It's called being professional. It's called having courage to face a loss and congratulate your opponent.

It's easy for champions to do it because they can have the courage to say nine simple words and move on. It's hard for cowards, sore losers and arrogant blowhards to not say those nine simple words.

Calling the opponent is just one step in the process. Acknowledging it publically is what leaders do.

[DemGa]

86. Obama-sham deserves no courtesy

A big chunk of his message was capitalizing on the vicious right-wing attacks of the nineties. Using those attacks personally against Hillary was a betrayal that many Democrats won't forget.

[MethuenProgressive]

87. OP is total bullshit. She telephoned Obama personally to congratulate him.

I hate what the DUbamas have done to DU.

[lse7581011]

90. But Didn't Have The Class

to do it publicly

[MethuenProgressive]

96. If she did it publically, you'd be bitching she didn't to it personally.

[Darth_Kitten]

97. ?????

Look here folks, somebody is teaching us snotty, uppity Clinton supporets something about manners and stuff.

Fascinating. I guess if people don't do things for SHOW, they don't mean much to you? Pity.

[Darth_Kitten]

88. It's not Hillary who's sore.

n/t

Honestly, what's this mentality? It's so junior high. :sarcasm:

[workinclasszero]

89. Hillary has no class

And its no surprise to me and most of America.

[meow mix]

95. she lost her chance to be graceful... now when shes Finallly FORCED kickin and screaming...

its gonna be a hoot

[Darth_Kitten]

99. LOL..........desperate.

Really desperate, aren't you Meow?

[NJmaverick]

102. Here lack of character shows, almost every day

Be it a failure to be a gracious candidate to her false attacks on Barak Obama. We need a president that is a GOOD person, not a good mud slinger.

[DemGa]

103. C'mon, Obama used right-wing smears against Clinton

from the start by capitalizing on those FALSE attacks.

Get out of denial about Obama.

[NJmaverick]

104. Can you provide specifics- or just vague republican style

innuendo?

[DemGa]

107. It is Obama using the Republican-style innuendo

As I said, Obama used the years of right wing smear campaigns -- and CAPITALIZED on those attacks.

"Senator Clinton starts off with 47 percent of the country against her," the Illinois senator told 3,000 people at a high school gym in Alexandria, Va., just outside Washington. "That's a hard place to start."

"I think it's very hard for Senator Clinton to break out of the politics of the past 15 years," Obama said.

"I don't think there's any doubt that the Republicans consider her a polarizing figure."

‘Democrats will win in November and build a majority in Congress not by nominating a candidate who will unite the other party against us"

You'll notice he is talking about negatives with REPUBLICANS. You can't use the high negatives with Dems B.S. argument. He has freely used the vicious attacks of the nineties that were based on NOTHING to his advantage.

Break out of your denial.

[NJmaverick]

109. How does ACCURATE STATEMENTS= Republican style innuendo?

Just because you don't like what he has to say, doesn't make it any less truthful.

[DemGa]

113. AGAIN, Barack Obama CAPITALIZING on rightwing attacks

Seriously, I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Is this concept beyond the scope of Obama maniacs? Are you under a spell?

What if St. Barack underwent years of false allegations and smear that brought about negative perception with Republicans -- and someone (a supposed Democrat) used that against him -- now can you see?

Dems who comprise the base -- get it.

[candice]

117. She congratulated him, what are you talking about? Be better informed before casting stones...

Most of the stuff we read in the media is about as substantial as a speech that is about whatever hope you want it to be. For some it is a casino down the block, for another it is not having the traffic and ambience of that casino in one's neighborhood. One person's hope may differ from the next. Develop some critical thinking so you can understand when you are being advertised to....

[Recursion]

106. First thing Obama said in his NH speech...

...was something like "I want to congratulate Senator Clinton on a hard-fought campaign in New Hampshire and a well-earned victory" or something like that. The crowd applauded.

That said, if she doesn't feel like saying the same (10 times in a row now), I don't really care.

[zulchzulu]

108. See how hard it was to do the decent thing...

Obama has class. Hillary...not so much.

[GoldieAZ49]

110. Clinton & Co DEMAND apologizes for fictional snubs n/t

[IsItJustMe]

111. Sure she congratulated him. It was reported on CNN last night. Didn't you get the memo?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4674045&mesg_id=4675271


:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[zulchzulu]

115. Wow. That's a keeper!

Al Qaeda called... that's like saying Likud called...

:rofl:

[candice]

116. Hillary congratulated Obama for his victories in Wisconsin and Hawaii

The former first lady congratulated Obama for his victories in Wisconsin and Hawaii on Tuesday and acknowledged he had inspired voters to dream again. But she said she was the candidate best suited to fulfill those dreams.

In portraying her rival as more rhetoric than action, Clinton displayed some eloquence of her own.

"We all carry dreams in our hearts, and we need to keep dreaming. Dreaming keeps us hopeful; it lifts our spirits; it sets our sights high," she said. "Without dreams we can't aspire to be great. But without action we cannot turn those dreams into reality."

[shaniqua6392]

119. Concession speeches are not done after primaries!!

He did not announce congratulations during one of his speeches to her after she won her states either. They quietly call each other. This is the way it is done. I did not hear anyone from the Clinton camp screaming about how Obama did not congratulate Clinton on her wins. How childish.

[zulchzulu]

120. After New Hampshire, the first words said in Obama's speech was to...

...congratulate Hillary Clinton on her victory.

Don't try to be an apologist for a sore loser that is too arrogant to say the nine simple words.

[shaniqua6392]

121. I am not being an apologist for either of our candidates

I don't care which one of them wins. But I am trying to be fair minded to both of them.

[elixir]

122. Alert the media. She didn't congratulate Obama. Did Obama acknowledge Hillary's hard work? No. hmm