obamatruth.org smear site = www.fairnessfoundation.org = www.hospitalvictims.org

[Tinoire]

The people behind obamatruth.org are some of the nastiest free-market Republicans who want to destroy Medicare and any improvements in Healthcare for this country. They're your big headache right now. The other thing is, they're using a 501c to do this.
I seem to recall a wee legal problem with that sort of thing. Forgive the bad formatting, I'm sleepy lol.

WHOIS - Obamatruth.org


Found WHOIS server for .org: whois.publicinterestregistry.net

Domain ID: D134552973-LROR
Domain Name:OBAMATRUTH.ORG
Created On: 08-Dec-2006 00:03:23 UTC
Last Updated On: 30-Nov-2007 17:36:10 UTC
Expiration Date: 08-Dec-2008 00:03:23 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-025852593
Registrant Name:Joe Novak
Registrant Street1:532 Circle Avenue
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Forest Park
Registrant State/Province:Illinois
Registrant Postal Code:60130
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone: [phone]
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant ************@comcast.net
Admin ID:GODA-225852593
Admin Name:Joe Novak
Admin Street1: 532 Circle Avenue
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Forest Park
Admin State/Province:Illinois
Admin Postal Code: 60130
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone: [phone]
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin ************@comcast.net
Tech ID:GODA-125852593
Tech Name:Joe Novak
Tech Street1:532 Circle Avenue
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Forest Park
Tech State/Province:Illinois
Tech Postal Code:60130
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone: [phone]
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech ************@comcast.net
Name Server:NS2.RACKSPACE.COM
Name Server:NS1.RACKSPACE.COM

Time to look up obamatruth.org A record

Searching for obamatruth.org A record at i.root-servers.net Got referral to C0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.INFO.
Searching for obamatruth.org A record at C0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.INFO. Got referral to ns2.rackspace.com.

Searching for obamatruth.org A record at ns2.rackspace.com. Reports an answer.

Record is:


Domain: obamatruth.org
Type: A
Class: IN
TTL: 86400
Answer: 72.32.184.97

WWW Record Your www.obamatruth.org A record is:

www.obamatruth.org. CNAME obamatruth.org.
obamatruth.org. A 72.32.184.97

Type in that IP. It takes you straight to http://www.fairnessfoundation.org/cms/ As a 501(c)(3) your contributions are tax deductible. Also closely linked to www.HospitalVictims.org as noted all over the page. All three have the same IP address (72.32.184.97) and are coming from the same cheap rackspace server.

IP address: 72.32.184.97
Reverse DNS: fairnessfoundation.org.
Reverse DNS authenticity:
ASN: 0
ASN Name: IANA-RSVD-0
IP range connectivity: 0
Registrar (per ASN): Unknown
Country (per IP registrar): US
Country Currency: USD
Country IP Range: 72.32.0.0 to 72.33.255.255
Country fraud profile: Normal
City (per outside source): San Antonio, Texas
Country (per outside source): US
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 72.32.184.97

The site security certificate is issued to www.obamatruth.org is http://www.hospitalvictims.org/ , a "501(c)(3) your contributions are tax deductible"

Cache-control: private The web server says that the 'index' page should not be cached by a shared cache (meaning that it should only be cached for the person viewing the page). IOW, bye, bye google cache.

SSL Information for IP 72.32.184.97

Certificate Information:
Summary Issued By: Starfield Technologies, Inc. Expires: 12/13/2008 06:28:34 (not expired) Issued To: www.hospitalvictims.org Site Name: www.hospitalvictims.org (does not match requested domain 72.32.184.97) X.509 Version 3

Organization Name (O): www.hospitalvictims.orgOrganization Unit Name (OU): Domain Control ValidatedCommon Name (CN): www.hospitalvictims.org

www.obamatruth.org aka http://www.fairnessfoundation.org aka www.hospitalvictims.org aka J.Patrick Rooney working with "Low Joe Novak". The IP addresses are all the same, 72.32.184.97. Same operation.

Why lookee here. They even have a "What would you ask the presidential candidates about health care?" and you can e-mail your questions.

Sounds real nice doesn't it.

PLEASE NOTE. The info drm64's uncovered that THAT FAIRNESS IS REGISTRANT OF REPUBLICANLEADERSHIP.ORG is currrently hidden by "domainsbyproxy There's info about them at SourceWatch

drm604 (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-19-06 11:41 PM
Response to Original message
156. This connects to something I was looking at yesterday.


This connects to something I was looking at yesterday.
The name J. Patrick Rooney rang a bell. Then I noticed that your picture of Rooney is from here: http://www.fairnessfoundation.org . Rooney is the founder of the Fairness Foundation.

"The Fairness Foundation was founded in 1998 to assist low income children in getting access to better education and to assist the uninsured in getting good health care."

Sounds great doesn't it? Well, there are some problems...

I ran into the Fairness Foundation while researching something yesterday.

See my post in this other thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2889749#2890348

Publicintegrity.org gives a website address for the "Republican Leadership Coalition", http://www.republicanleadership.org / which loads an "under construction" page. The whois page for republicanleadership.org shows the following:

Domain ID: D14291609-LROR
Domain Name:REPUBLICANLEADERSHIP.ORG
Created On: 30-Nov-1999 15:37:17 UTC
Last Updated On: 26-Apr-2005 14:12:59 UTC
Expiration Date: 30-Nov-2007 15:37:17 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:39018984-NSI
Registrant Name:Fairness Foundation
Registrant Street1: 5835 West 74th Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Indianapolis
Registrant State/Province:IN
Registrant Postal Code: 46278
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone: [phone]
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:fairnessfoundation AT gmail DOT com

The Fairness Foundation is the registrant of the domain REPUBLICANLEADERSHIP.ORG which belongs to a K Street organization called the "Republican Leadership Coalition" which may be responsible for another series of ads that claim that it's been proven that WMDs did exist and were moved out of Iraq and into Syria.

If you read my post you'll see that I also ran into the medical savings accounts idea. A company called "Medical Savings Health Plan" has the same street address as the Fairness Foundation. It's website is at http://medicalsavings.com /.

Medical savings accounts seem to be one of Bush's pet ideas (a very bad idea IMHO) for supposedly solving the health care crisis, and a company like "Medical Savings Health Plan" would benefit greatly from it. It looks like this may be the real agenda behind both sets of ads - keep the Repubs in power so they can push employers to switch from health insurance to medical savings accounts thus financially benefiting Rooney.

mcg (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-20-06 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #156
184. Info on the Fairness Foundation
Who's Behind That Nutty "Nonprofit"?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/28/41552/4124

"It's a front for washington healthcare and education privitizers, including one congressman, one lobbyist and at least two corporate profiteers."

The following is from
http://www.guidestar.org
(I had to register first but it is free)

FAIRNESS FOUNDATION INC
PO BOX 68961
INDIANAPOLIS , IN 46268

The purposes for which the corporation is formed are:

1.To support the efforts of churches in developing alternative schools for their congregations, with special attention to the needs of minority churches.

2. To aid in the financing of health insurance for those American who are not insured and lack the means of paying for it.

3. To support other fairness issues in the public and private financing of endeavors by the American people.

* This organization is a 501(c)(3) Public Charity.
* This organization is required to file an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ.
* Contributions are deductible, as provided by law.

From the 2005 IRS Form 990
The directors are
J Patrick Rooney
Randal E. Suttles
John J. Sullivan
Robert J. Thompson

Rooney, Suttles, and Sullivan are all Directors of
Medical Savings Investment, Inc. and affiliates,
a for profit company.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2430197#2438474

mcg (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-20-06 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #184
185. more on the Fairness Foundation
http://hospitalvictims.com
on the contact us page:
"The Hospital Victims Project is a project of the Fairness Foundation, a national non-profit organization that educates and assists the uninsured.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_Nadler

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Access_Communications_Group

http://supremecourtus.gov/opinions/counsellists/cl540-2a.html

No. 02-1315, Locke, Governor of Washington, et al. v. Davey
Argued December 2, 2003

"Briefs of amici curiae urging affirmance were filed ...
for the Fairness Foundation by Kenneth W. Starr"

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/02-1315.htm

Kenneth W. Starr Kirkland & Ellis LLP [phone]
777 South Figueroa Street
Los Angeles, CA 90017
Party name: The Fairness Foundation

The same Kenneth W. Starr? What's this legal action about?



drm604 (1000+ posts) Sat Oct-21-06 02:40 AM
Response to Reply #185
189. "What's this legal action about?"
Locke v. Davey

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/03pdf/02-1315.pd...

It's an establishment clause case (church state separation). It's easy to guess which side the Fairness Foundation was most likely on.

A little info on J. Patrick Rooney:

Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-19-06 06:08 AM

Republican Ad Calls Black Women "Ho's" (Huffington Post)

READ MORE: Intelligent Design

No one can criticize the GOP for failing to produce sophisticated propaganda that successfully exploits the hopes and fears of white middle Americans. But can the right-wing distraction factory woo minorities with the same techniques? Check out the following transcript of a new Republican ad targeting black voters in 10 battleground states this year and you be the judge:

BLACK MAN #1: "If you make a little mistake with one of your 'hos,' you'll want to dispose of that problem tout suite, no questions asked."

BLACK MAN #2: "That's too cold. I don't snuff my own seed."

BLACK MAN #1: "Maybe you do have a reason to vote Republican."
This ad was financed by J. Patrick Rooney, a white billionaire notorious for funding several misleading anti-Kerry ads that ran on urban radio stations in 2004. The money for Rooney's newest ad flowed through a little-known group called America's PAC, which was founded by Richard Nadler, a veteran Republican consultant who pushed Intelligent Design in Kansas public schools, declaring, "Darwin is bunk."

(snip/...)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/republican-ad-calls-black_b_32032.html




J. Patrick Rooney

From SourceWatch

Rooney is the former chairman of Golden Rule Insurance Co. and recently founded Medical Savings Insurance Co. which specializes in the health savings accounts created out of the President's 2003 prescription drug plan, according to the Washington Post , which first reported on Rooney's backing for People of Color United. He has provided approximately half the funding for the group which is running misleading ads on African American radio stations. The ads are anti-Kerry, go figure.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=J._Patrick_Rooney


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News: Golden Rule Insurance has lavished campaign funds on Gingrich and the GOP in order to promote its medical savings account scheme--and destroy Medicare.

By Robert Dreyfuss and Peter H. Stone

January/February 1996 Issue

Deep inside the gleaming, lakeside Indianapolis headquarters of Golden Rule Insurance Co., the elevator doors open with a swoosh and a worried-looking man in a trench coat hurries in. "Trouble in Washington," he says to a colleague, with the air of someone who has seen Washington trouble before. "We're in pretty good shape in the House, but the Senate's giving us some problems. Gotta work on them, gotta work on the Senate." The man is Darrell Richey, general counsel at the billion-dollar insurer. And today Richey is very concerned about the fate of a few provisions in the Medicare bill before Congress--provisions that could mean tens of millions of dollars to Golden Rule's bottom line.

As the GOP's plan to dismantle Medicare has moved forward, no other corporation has lobbied as effectively, nor positioned itself as well to reap big dividends from the Republican legislation, as Golden Rule. While doctors, hospitals, drugmakers, and other, larger insurers are going to garner pieces of the Medicare carcass, the relatively obscure Midwestern company--thanks to its unique alliance with the Republican leadership and a network of far-right think tanks and industry groups--is poised to gain a disproportionate chunk.

Golden Rule is an intensely political company, from its patriarchal chairman, J. Patrick Rooney, down to its most junior employee. Behind the fresh-scrubbed, Midwestern faces of Golden Rule's workers lies a hard-edged, ideological fervor whose tone is set by Rooney's own libertarian, free-market views. For years, the company has been known for its unusually aggressive underwriting policies and its battles against regulators and insurance reform legislation in states across the country.

Since the start of the decade, Golden Rule has funneled a staggering amount of cash into the GOP's campaign coffers--including nearly $1 million in the last election cycle alone--to win hearts and minds for Rooney's pet project, Medical Savings Accounts, a kind of medical IRA that heavily benefits the healthy and affluent. Rooney himself has led Golden Rule's political and free-market jihad in Washington, jetting to the capital almost weekly for meetings with key members of Congress--including House Speaker Newt Gingrich, the top recipient of Golden Rule's largesse.
(snip)

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1996/01/medikill.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2430197#2438474

And not to bring religion into this but the Catholic hospitals provide care for many low-income people who can't get care anywhere else. Guess who's trying to close them and has been leading the smear charge that they overcharge patients?

February 13, 2006
Battling the Catholic Hospitals
In Illinois, and no..not about what you might assume

Broadcast ads highly critical of how non-profit Catholic hospitals handle their billing and collection practices are helping spotlight Attorney General Lisa Madigan's efforts to tighten regulations on all non-profit hospitals.

Madigan is pushing legislation in Springfield for the first time to set standards for charity care and billing and collection practices at tax-exempt Illinois hospitals.

The radio and television ads, paid for by Indiana-based non-profit Fairness Foundation.org, chastise Catholic hospitals, alleging they're falling short on meeting the obligations required to maintain their tax-exempt status.

"It's a sad day when the Illinois attorney general has to tell not-for-profit Catholic hospitals, among others, they aren't doing enough to earn their tax- exempt status," says the ad. It concludes: "but as with other immoral actions, apparently the church needs to be forced by lawyers to do the right thing, to be moral. How sad."

Another ad accuses the hospitals of "putting profit over mission. . . .Catholic hospitals need to return to their charitable mission, providing affordable health care, or start paying taxes."

Catholic and other hospitals in Illinois and across the country have been criticized over their collection practices. They've also been criticized for charging the uninsured higher rates than Medicare recipients, whose bills are paid by federal and local governments, and individuals with private insurance, who have the clout to negotiate cheaper rates.

Joe Novack, a consultant for the Fairness Foundation, said the group has invested $140,000 on the ads in Chicago and $90,000 on similar ads that are running in Washington, D.C.

The group is backed by J. Patrick Rooney, who a few years ago sold his Golden Rule Insurance Co. to UnitedHealth Group. Rooney, a long-time supporter of health savings accounts, operates a private health insurance company that has battled with hospitals over their billing practices.

http://amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/2006/02/battling_the_ca.html

At the same time they've been doing all of this, they've also been targeting Catholics to not vote for Obama.


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Tinoire

[mmonk]

1. Thanks Tinoire

[EmilyAnne]

2. Very interesting. Thanks. n/t

[tishaLA]

3. Thanks for this. Good work.

[eridani]

4. If Clinton were leading, they'd be after her instead

Looks like the big money is expecting an Obama nomination.

[Usrename]

5. Good job.

I don't know how you do it. And I certainly don't know how to stop these people. But it's good to know who they are.

Peace!

:hi:

[BrklynLiberal]

6. Great work!!!!!! Thanks.

[Moochy]

7. Kick for the night crowd

:kick:

[KoKo]

8. Morning Kick!

[Scurrilous]

9. Good job Tinoire!

K & R :thumbsup:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. so the same RW Corporate media loves Obama and wants him to win cause why?........

they know he is the EASIEST to DEFEAT in November


get the picture yet?

[WillyT]

11. Have I Told You Lately How Much I Love You ???

Wassup ???

:bounce::loveya::bounce:

:hi::yourock::hi:

[jasmine621]

12. Thanks Tin! Great job as usual.

And yes, Obama will be the easiest to defeat in the GE.
My prediction about this latest McCain flap is that Obama will be even easier to beat when the RW uses this latest McCain flap to toss him under the bus at the convention and comes up with a RW candidate they all can love. I have no idea who it will be but right now the candidates who left the race early and some who didn't even try will make an awesome foe for the Dems. The masses of Repukes and anti-Hillary others are just waiting for someone to step from the shadows.