Chuck Todd and Joe Scarborough just made a very important point re: Hillary and the press

[wndycty]

They said that while the Clinton camp complain that the press has not look very hard at Obama and scrutinized his background they noted that if had Obama been the one who had lost 10 straight races he would have been done. They said that Hillary is basically getting a ton of breaks in that the media is keeping her alive and keeps moving the goal posts for Hillary. They said if Obama lost 10 straight he would be receiving the Huckabee treatment.

It is something to consider. Hillary's camp said she was inevitable, then it would be over on Super Tuesday, then we were being told she could end it Texas and Ohio but we are already now hearing that its going to Pennsylvania. The press is keeping her alive, think about it. Would Obama have survived if he lost 10 straight. Lets remember not only has he won 10 straight he won 10 straight convincingly.

Media bias? It actually favors Hillary because the media would not have taken any other candidate who lost 10 straight seriously.

[JoFerret]

1. Such reliable commentators

...especially on issues like this.

[wndycty]

2. Attack the messenger all you want, but address the message. . .

. . .would any other candidate who lost 10 straight be consider a contender?

[Kittycat]

6. It's true though... It's the Huckabee Show on her side.

When it became evident that Huckabee wasn't going to win, the lead reporters were pulled off of him. The only reason she hasn't is because she expected a coronation, and in true Clinton form - they want to be there for the meltdown.

[Vinca]

3. And it doesn't help when they put up a picture of Bin Laden to boot. nt

[wndycty]

4. Exactly

:kick:

[islandmkl]

5. who the hell buys joe's clothes and where does that crap come from?...

YahoosR'Us?

[wndycty]

8. Attack Joe all you want, or you can answer what was said. . .

. . .what other candidate would still be considered viable after 10 straight considerable loses.

[adabfree]

15. i agree with Joe..the goal post keeps getting moved..

I think that's why Tweety showed his ass last night..he was one of the main ones moving it..and had egg on his face last night after Obama won big..so he attacked Obama's surrogate..

At least that's what I think..

Anyway, I actually like Joe..I'm a little weird I guess...

[adabfree]

9. Ha ha..he's a horrible dresser...his Mr. Roger sweaters are ugh

and he doesn't even try to coordiate with the shirts underneath them..if he did..that would help some.

[Kittycat]

11. I like his shirts/sweaters.

Maybe it's where I come from, but I like Argyle and I like that striped shirt. It's a bit casual for the show I think - but I still like it.

Speaking of clothing. Didn't she wear that red dress yesterday?

[adabfree]

16. If you notice..she's always in red...someone must have told her it's a good color for her

She and Joe actually match this morning..

[adabfree]

17. Hey..I actually liked the one he had on yesterday...because

brown is my favorite color..but a blue shirt beneath a brown sweater with red and cream stripes.....ugh...:wtf:

[Kittycat]

22. Okay - I never noticed that, LOL.

We're in a hotel this week (traveling for business) - so it's likely this TV. Yesterday I kept thinking, when everyone was complaining - "what are they talking about"... Now I know. It was the blue shirt, LOL.

[LakeSamish706]

7. The reality is that the MSM along with the Repubs wanted a Hillary victory....

Nothing else will do, cause thats who they wanted the Republican nominee to go up against and always have since this whole thing began.

[THUNDER HANDS]

hey, it's her money

if she wants to keep spending it, by all means, go ahead.

[sandnsea]

10. She needs 65% of the remaining delegates to win

She's over. They're right. Obama has met every challenge, won in every demographic at some point across the country. Washington is a big blue state. Wisconisn is a mix of liberals and blue collar. He split New Mexico. He picked up hispanics in Virginia. He won Virginia for chrissake.

This should be completely over and it would be for anybody who wasn't married to Bill Clinton.

[wndycty]

13. Yup

:kick:

[NoBorders]

12. Agreed, BUT

They made the same comment on CNN (John King). There are some big difference between Clinton and Huck. For instance, she still leadsd most of the polls in TX in OH, if by decreasing margins. She's much closer to Obama in delegate count than Huck is to McCain. There are a number of real difference like this.

That said, she's certainly getting a big benefit of the doubt as far staying viable. The Clinton name counts for a lot.

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. There is a big difference between Hillary and Obama

Huckabee has only about a third of the delegates that McCain has. McCain can easily get a majority of the delegates before the convention regardless of what Huckabee does. If Hillary decides to stay in, it will be difficult for Obama to get a majority before the convention without the help of many super delegates.

[The_Commonist]

18. It has nothing to do with bias.

It has to do with horseracing.
The media needs a horserace in order to lure bigger advertising dollars, so that people like Joe Scarborough can have a job. No horserace? No salary for Joe.

They want to keep Hillary's campaign alive, so that she runs neck in neck with Obama up to the convention. Then they want her to win the nomination so that it's a close race in the general election. More advertising dollars, and pundit salaries that way. When Obama gets the nomination, and clearly runs many points ahead of McCain, there will be no horserace, and their salaries will be in jeopardy.

This is the ONLY thing you need to remember about this election cycle in order to understand why these pundits do and say the things they do and say. It's about advertising dollars, and little else.

(yes, it's also about the corporate agendas of their parent companies... that's why they'll push mccain in the GE... but that will be futile and they know it.)

[depakid]

19. "Would Obama have survived if he lost 10 straight."

Well, if he'd won California, New York, New Jersey Massachusetts and likely Texas and Ohio he would.

Particularly considering that Florida and Michigan don't count.

[anamandujano]

20. Actually, there are only two in the race now and Obama has not

reached 2025 delegates. Until one of them does, the race is still on. The media can whine all they want but that is the reality.

Imagine a scenario where those goofballs just stopped mentioning Hillary on their shows. It would be a more positive environment for her.

I would be funny watching them try to fill the air space just talking about Obama. They could even just focus on him at the debates and turn her mike down. That would be an interesting experience.

Glad you rely on these bozos so much. They are going to open your eyes soon when they go after Obama.

[my3boyz]

21. He also said that the Clinton campaign

was frustrated that they could not get anything to "stick" to Obama. Chuck said he has only seen that happen to one other politician and that that was Bill Clinton. The panel was saying that it has to be bugging them to be on the other side.

[Maribelle]

23. Feb 15, 2008 Hillary won New Mexico Obama has not won 10 straight.

Closed primary state.

The demographis on CNN are revealing:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NMDEM

[wndycty]

24. KEEP HILLARY'S HOPE ALIVE!

LOL :sarcasm:

[Maribelle]

27. Yes, bash anyone with sarcasm that attempts to speak the truth.

Typical obamam strategy.

[my3boyz]

26. HAHAHAHA...NO, that was a primary that she won on Feb 5th.

New Mexico was late reporting it.

[islandmkl]

28. late reporting it because some of the ballot boxes had to go to some slumber parties...

hey, what's 10 days here or there to get the votes IN A PLACE to be counted?

[Maribelle]

30. She won it February 15th. Obama has not won 10 straight since Feb 5th.

Obama won 6 since Feb 5th before yesterday - now 8.

[earthlover]

35. Interesting logic....New Mexico was on Super Tuesday....it was so close that it took days to figure

out who won. And this is supposed to show....what? There is nothing in NM that slows the momentum Obama has earned in the 10 states after Super Tuesday.

I think Obama is going to do surprisingly well in TX and OH. He may even win one of them.

It doesn't matter, though. If Obama wins TX AND OH by 5 points, the Hillary Herd will be trumpeting that the closeness of the race shows Obama's momentum has slowed down....

[wndycty]

36. Yup, wasn't Hillary up in Wisconsin by 20 points but lost by 17?

Wow, that Hillary sure is a strong candidate.

[totodeinhere]

38. Wrong, she won New Mexico on Super Tuesday, not on 2/15.

It was a close election and it took until 2/15 to announce the results, but the election took place on 2/5, not 2/15.

And it wasn't much of a victory anyway. Clinton netted one whole delegate.

[SoxFan]

39. Pathetic

New Mexico was a Super Tuesday state. The party made such a soup sandwich out of the process that it took weeks to figure out the results.

I won't get into the documented side issues like ballot boxes being taken home overnight by Hillary loyalists.

[wndycty]

40. Hey what do you expect from some people. . .

. . .LOL

[knowledgeispwr]

41. Wrong. That was a SuperTuesday vote...

so Clinton actually won that back on Super Tuesday, we are just learning about it now. Thus, yes, Obama won 10 straight.

[islandmkl]

25. back to OP...the coverage of the Clinton campaign, as maligned as the Clintons like to portray it...

has definitely not been the coverage of a 'losing team'...sure, it's been a coverage full of attacks and critiques, but (and most important in media terms) it has been COVERAGE.

If this was sports, the only coverage of a loser of 10 straight would be if 10 straight losses was approaching some kind of losing-streak record.

Media Rule #2 or so: Say something good about me, say something bad about me...JUST KEEP SAYING MY NAME!

[earthlover]

29. Yup, thie goal posts keep moving....

Just a short while ago, Hillary needed convincing victories in both TX and OH or she was toast. Then it became victories in both TX and OH. Then it became a victory in either TX OR OH. Now Pennsylvania.

Goal Post watch: even if Hillary does not win convincing victories in either state, it is impossible for Obama to win enough delegates to clinch the nomination without the super delegates, so the new goal post will be day three of the convention....

Sadly, I fear that even if Obama were to win ALL the remaining states, this would still be the scenario due to the mobile goal post strategy.

If Obama had lost VA, the media would have made Clinton the front runner again. Same for MD.

If Obama lost WI, the media would have fawned all over Hillary as having the Big Mo going into TX and OH.

The mere fact that Hillary was considered the front runner in the first place was in large part due to the media, who dubbed her the front runner even before 04 was over. Which was something because Kerry hadn't even lost yet....

[meow mix]

32. "mobile goal post strategy" special treatment for hillary..

i wonder why?
:shrug:

[formernaderite]

31. It also works out in the medias favor if there's a horse race

Otherwise what's the news? I just feel that Hilllary is losing the time frame to make a gracious exit. I'm actually beginning to feel very sorry for her.

[Dawgs]

33. As an Obama supporter, I have to disagree.

The media keeps talking about Hillary for ratings.

Without a primary race nobody would watch.

[ecstatic]

34. Exactly!!!!!! I couldn't agree more! nt

[TwilightGardener]

37. It's true--I thought this after MD and VA. Obama has had to be PERFECT to

have a shot at the nom--she just has to be a Clinton.