Obama supporters: I hope each & every one of you writes MSNBC to call for Chris Matthews firing

[mtnsnake]

I'm for Hillary, and I can't blame Hillary's lady who was going against Senator Watson last night for being proud of Hillary's legislative accomplishments, but what that fucking bully, Tweety, did to that Democratic Texas Senator last night (and in essence to Obama) is worthy of getting his sorry ass canned. No one should ever be embarrassed and humiliated like that on national television ever again like what Senator Kirk Watson was. Matthews clearly crossed the line of human decency last night. There were even people on the news set you could hear laughing at the poor guy.

BTW, I guarantee you that Tweety's little charade of making believe he's for Obama will be over the second that he feels Obama has this thing wrapped up. In fact, Matthews is already turning against Obama, now that he feels he has helped the media put Hillary away. He'll do everything in his power to pave the way for McCain. Matthews is one of most belligerent Republican tools ever and a fucking dork to boot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/19/chris-matthews-humiliates_n_87493.html

[ShortnFiery]

1. Awe, and here I thought that you didn't care about us lowly Obamamaniacs.

;) :grouphug:

[rodeodance]

92. OP is a proud Democrat as I am. Cool you snarkyness. This is important for all Democrats

[ShortnFiery]

117. Did you miss the "group hug?' That was "an olive branch" but you couldn't see via "hate?"

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

124. i saw no group hug. Have a good day.

[mtnsnake]

156. thanks, rd

for the assist! :hi:

[AX10]

2. Strange thing is that Tweets still has his head up Obama's ass.

and doesn't care for McCain at this time.

[ShortnFiery]

10. You must be watching MSNBC in a parallel universe?!?

Tweety serves the ruling political elites (old guard - status quo) by keeping us lowly "chattering" at each others' throats. Tweety is a real classy "piece of work." :eyes:

[bluedawg12]

73. Tweety is a self loathing dem, trying to be snappy as MSM

he worked for Tip O'Niel, his brother is an elected repub something or other ( dog catcher?) and he almost wet himself in 2004 talking about @#$h being a regular guy whom he would love to have a beer with at a BBQ.

The guy is shizo- sad.

[JoFerret]

106. He voted for Bush in 2000

.

[bluedawg12]

166. Well, he had a man crush on him-why wouldn't he? n/t

[islandmkl]

3. MSNBC should not fire Tweety....

they should make him have to deal with KO as a producer...it is really time for Tim Russert to get MSNBC off the 'be like FauxNews' path...

[Independent-Voter]

4. Obama's guy should have had his shit together. Hell, at least read O's wiki page

Yes, the dude got blindsided, but he should have had his shit in gear before going on national TV.

[Benhurst]

41. I agree. More to the point, ALL such people ought to have their feet held to the fire.

[snappyturtle]

61. Three times? Chris asked the question three times. He made his

point. What purpose did it serve after doing it once? This is a news program? Hah!It's sad that Senator Watson didn't have ANY information...I couldn't believe that but Mathews went too far. imho

[Benhurst]

142. Matthews is an ass. But his pressing the matter showed Obama's

campaign had trotted out a spokesperson who was totally unprepared. If we had a free press, ALL such spokespersons would be treated that way under similar circumstances, no matter who they represented.

But we don't have a free press. Well, duh! Obama has been treated with kid gloves so far by the corporate press. Well guess what? If he gets the nomination, they are going to turn on him.

I'm glad Obama's campaign got this wake-up call and hope they've gotten the message. Come September the games going to get very rough, unless, that is, the powers that be have decided they have a new mouthpiece. Now, THAT would be depressing, indeed.

[snappyturtle]

153. I suppose that's the bast to come out of this...a wake-up call. n/t

[redqueen]

112. Why didn't Tweety ask Tubbs Jones about specific legislation?

Hm?

He wasn't blindsided, he was unfairly attacked.

[K Gardner]

5. Thanks, mtnsnake. I concur and would like to add the following Tweety quote

from this morning for those who didn't see it. The man has clearly gone over the edge.

"Maybe Michelle is more MILITANT than we thought." He talked about the history of SLAVERY and then said of Michelle.."She will probably come out today to make REPARATIONS."

Just absolutely beyond the pale of inflammatory and incendiary statements. I agree the Senator episode was against any marker of human decency. The man was unprepared, but it was a horrible thing to watch someone, anyone, being humiliated that way.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

14. I'm going to look for the video. Those statements are an egregious and worse.

BTW, I read an amazing synopsis, here on DU, of how Matthews "assasinated" Phil Donahue as a guest on Donahue's show back in early '03. The man's a viper.

[Window]

22. Sweet Jesus K Gardner, I hadn't heard that one.

Enough is enough...time for MESS NBC to reign Matthews in.



Peace:thumbsup:

[K Gardner]

Yeah.. poor Mika looked like she was about to have a coronary. So was I.

[psychopomp]

86. One side-benefit of an Obama run

All of the closet racists will out themselves... Chris is just getting a head-start.

[K Gardner]

93. Yes.. between him and Buchanan, we might as well get the white sheets out now.

[EffieBlack]

99. That struck me odd, as well - thought it was just me

Only black people ever seem to be called "militant" - a real throwback to the 60s and 70s scare tactics about black public figures - "She must be one of those MILITANTS!"

[K Gardner]

107. Exactly ! The words "militant, slavery and reparations".. all used within 2 minutes in reference to

Michelle Obama.

[Lucinda]

136. Militant is also used to attack feminists too.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

6. I didn't see the Matthews interview last night, but I thought Matt Lauer was incredibly

rude to Sen. Obama during his interview yesterday morning. I'm a Clinton supporter as well, but we're all still on the same side.

(MS)NBC is still a part of the GE conglomerate and it shows. :mad:

[zanne]

7. I've never trusted Tweety. He's a right wing blowhard. nt

[Coexist]

8. Nah, the guy should have been a little prepared, Matthews was an ass

but that is par for the course for him.

I have the option of changing the channel, but the spittle keeps the inside of my screen so clean!

[ShortnFiery]

16. "the spittle keeps the inside of my screen so clean!"

That's a keeper! May I file that? ;) :hi:

[Coexist]

25. its all yours!

:7

[redqueen]

116. Matthews was unfair. Was Tubbs Jones prepared?

I guess we won't know, since she wasn't asked to name specific legislation, but was allowed to ramble about plans and leadership with barely an interruption.

[Coexist]

126. Oh, I caught that - I was wondering if the ? would be posed to her

if I were her, I would have quickly offered examples - she lost a few points by choosing to laugh at him instead.

[Maribelle]

9. I have a long-held believe that Democrats should not go on MSNBC and even NBC for that matter.

unable to hide their total political bias.

Even Russert, the poor baby that was used as a puppet by the White House, is a willing partner in the corrupt bashing of Democrats.

[Maribelle]

36. lol- Just as I hit the post button on the above, this huge sonic boom rattled my whole house

Welcome home to Florida, Atlantis!

[snappyturtle]

65. Cool! Gave me chills! n/t

[Cameron27]

11. Kirk Watson

brought that on himself. I'm sorry, but when a US senator decides to endorse someone, he should be able to come up with at least one legislative accomplishment of the endorsee.

[jensmygov]

30. State Senator

He's a State Senator!!!

[Cameron27]

42. Thanks,

he still should have been prepared to answer the question.

[Lisa0825]

115. I agree. I was disappointed in him.

If he knew he was going to be on TV with the likes of Tweety, he damned sure sure have been prepared. He did not represent Obama well.

[Hepburn]

72. He's a STATE senator from TX.

The U.S. Senators from TX are two mega Repuke assholes ~~ Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn.

[Cameron27]

94. I know,

I'm barely awake today, I had a migraine that kept me up all last night. Sorry for my stupidity this morning.

[redqueen]

118. Tubbs Jones was not even asked to name specific accomplishment.

Sure, if you're going to hold them all to that standard, then fine.

But allowing Tubbs Jones to go on about plans and leadership while barely saying anything, then jumping all over Watson and demand details is blindingly obvious unfairness.

[Iceburg]

12. The faux-honey moon with Obama is over. As predicted, Chris has filed his separation papers.

[boobooday]

13. Chris is just hysterical, in a clinical sense

Funny strange, not funny haha.

I believe he is not well.

[Auntie Bush]

146. Maybe his mental health is as bad as his physical health when He's having one of his attacks.

Poor baby!

[Occam Bandage]

15. Whatever. You want to go on TV, you better be prepared.

[MNDemNY]

48. Agreement? with me? Will wonders never cease.

:toast:

[tularetom]

17. I doubt that Obama ever expected a fair deal from the MSM

or at least his organization knew what asswipes they were dealing with. Unfortunately the Clinton team was a bit more naive. They innocently expected genuflection and kumbaiya and were shocked when it didn't occur. I think they assumed the Clinton fairy tale would carry them through. Too bad, but you can't substitute the hope of the Clinton team for the experience of the Obama team.

That said they kind of slipped up on that one. Sen. Watson did not have his shit together and he was not a good spokesman for their cause.

[scheming daemons]

18. I won't call for his firing.......that Senator Watson was a moron....

*I* was screaming answers at the TV screen when Tweety asked that question.


It's a legitimate question, and one any serious Obama supporter should be able to answer easily.


Obama has spearheaded legislation on:

Ethics reform
Immigration reform
Energy independence

He has done great work on these committees:

Foreign relations
Homeland security
Veterans' affairs
Government affairs



Senator Kirk Watson should be fired, not Tweety.

[bluedawg12]

57. What does "spearheaded legislation " mean?

Are there bills that BO authored?

Would appreciate any links.

here's info from ACLU on voting recrod and ACLU "score":

http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?page=legScore&congress=109&session_num=0&repId=25424&lcmd=top&lcmd_cf=

peace-

[snappyturtle]

70. Go to:

www.thomas.gov and select Senator Obama....they'll come up for you. Thomas.gov has gotten more user friendly than ever!

edit: Here's another link to a reply I wrote yesterday--
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4665476&mesg_id=4666097

[bluedawg12]

80. Thanks snappy n/t

[Window]

19. Mtnsnake, you are absolutely correct on this.

This is the third time in as many days that I've written to MESS NBC to complain about Matthews. He is disgusting.



Peace:thumbsup:

[adabfree]

20. That was a painful interview...lawd hab mercy...

Tweety is useless somedays, helpful on others and clueless at other times. I don't take him seriously..at all..

he doesn't even know what he's saying most of the time...

all he's got is that HA!

I support Obama, but Watson should have been prepared for that sandbagging..

[berni_mccoy]

21. Tweety did not cross the line. He asked a valid question. The Senator should have been prepared.

He got what was coming to him.

[MassLiberal]

27. yes, the guys hould have been prepared

But Tweety's behavior was that of a bully.

[K Gardner]

34. In a nutshell, that's it. I think we all can agree the Senator was unprepared, or

caught off guard.. with someone in your face like that, who knows? Personally, I'd have walked away from that kind of bullying.

[SoFlaJet]

77. I was thinking that if that was me and I had no answers....

I would have started fumbling with my earpiece pretending it was a bad connection and I couldn't hear him...

[shireen]

163. agreed, it is possible to do a tough interview AND be courteous. nt

[mtnsnake]

29. Demanding, bullying, grimacing his face isn't crossing the line? Give me a fucking break.

The question was valid. How Matthews handled the situation was nothing short of preposterous, barbarous, intimidating, demeaning, and pathetic. No public official should be ever be humiliated like that because he couldn't answer a question. Nobody.

[berni_mccoy]

49. I don't see it that way. The Senator was stammering and non-responsive

I don't see what Tweety did as beeing bullying.

[Independent-Voter]

75. And the best way to handle that situation would be to rattle off 3 things and back them up

Obama's rep was caught with his pants down, period. He should have known better.

[snappyturtle]

78. Did you see this 'episode' of bullying? He asked three times...

It was evident that State Senator Watson didn't have a clue but letting S.Tubbs-Jones pile on and not ask her the same question was a clue to Chris Mathews agenda. It is crossing the line...it offerred no news after he asked it the first time.

[redqueen]

120. I'm honestly shocked so many are choosing to ignore the blatant unfairness

of the attack, and pretending as if all that matters is that Watson couldn't give a specific asnwer.

:wtf:

:banghead:

[Independent-Voter]

130. Just calling a spade a spade. Watson didn't have his shit together, and surely wasn't a victim

[redqueen]

131. I'd say it's more just choosing to ignore the blatant unfairness.

Your mileage varies, obviously.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

167. Mmmmhmmm. I wonder if he had attempted to answer if Matthews would have shouted him down. Nah,

reason always works so well with Matthews.

[mtnsnake]

159. No kidding

Yeah, Watson should've known better, but the way Matthews kept piling on and on and on was totally unprofessional and bullyish. It was like Matthews knew he had the poor guy behind the 8-ball. He could tell that Watson was an easy mark, someone who wasn't going to fight back, so Matthews went partial postal on him when he realized the poor guy was stuck for words. It was one of the worst bullying acts I've seen in a long time.

The other thing is that Matthews' underlying reason for going after Watson was because he was actually going after Obama in essence. Tweety was pretty much telling the national audience that if Sentator Watson can't tell us any of Obama's legislative accomplishments, then Obama must not have any. This was Tweety's ulterior motive...to try to convince the country that Obama hasn't done squat in that department. For that reason alone, I can't believe how so many Obama supporters are letting that weasel off the hook so easily. Maybe some of them don't care? :shrug:

[redqueen]

164. I don't know how to explain the unwillingness to see the attack for what it was.

It was a perfect example of bullying. Not only did he already get an answer and keep badgering him about it... but he (*and* Tubbs Jones) also took advantage of Watson being subject to a delay, and not being able to respond immediately... it was pretty blatant bullying.

[scheming daemons]

23. Notice how most of us Obama supporters are NOT calling for his firing?

We realize that politics is a tough business. Anyone going on TV as an Obama supporter should be prepared.


We're calling for Watson's head, not Tweety's.



For one of the few times in his miserable existence, Tweety was actually being a good journalist.

[K Gardner]

28. Look, I totally agree Watson should have known SOMETHING, good lord ANYTHING prior to

getting his face in front of a camera as a surrogate. But there is a way to ask a question that is journalism. There is a way to embarass, intimidate and humiliate a guest that is Jerry Springer. Not excusing Watson. But the ferocity and animous with which Matthews approached him was something I'd never witness. "ANSWER NOW, SENATOR.. NOW !!" My god, I'd have been left speechless, too.

At any rate, as Keith said, it wasn't Hardball.. it was election coverage. I swear, I think for a minute that Tweety literally forgot where he was or what he was doing or why. It was kinda scary. Add that to the comments he made about Michelle this morning, and you have a pundit as out of control as he was when he said Hillary was only where she was because Bill cheated on her.

He needs to be reigned in.. IMO.

[snappyturtle]

81. Yes....your analogy to Springer is perfect! Once was enough.

Off with his head! He's out of control and his stripes are coming through and we as Democrats need to be prepared. If he gets away with this, this time, he'll do it over, and over, and over and pound us into the ground.

THEN he appears on Morning Joe and shows the whole scenario over for those who were fortunate enough last night to have missed it. Then I think he was still at the desk when Joe brings up Michelle Malkin who according to J, is going to go after Michelle Obama for her proud of America comments. They're drawing the line in the sand! imho

[elixir]

24. Hear, hear. I agree, sounds like a lowly, cowardly ... Tweety .. thing to do.

[angie_love]

26. I don't think Chris should be fired

That guy should've been prepared, he was an embarressment to the Obama campaign. Obama ppl, make sure your surrogates are prepared! I cringed watching that. That is all.


While I'm on the note of telling Obama ppl what to do...Michelle get out there and say you've been proud of America all along, just straighten it out so people stop talking about it.

[mtnsnake]

32. Look, I don't think for a minute he'd be fired, but I think people should call for it to happen

The guy was borderline nuts last night.

[angie_love]

39. Yes Chris did look very angry out of the blue. It was weird.

[CreekDog]

31. I can't get behind that idea

Keith Olbermann depends on the shift premium for babysitting.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

37. LOL,

:spray:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

33. I just watched the video. It was a legitimate question. And, Sen. Watson wasn't prepared.

However, Matthews was bullying and his previous comments that K Gardner posted further upthread are hateful. THOSE are the comments that should get him fired.

Last night, he decided to "attack" an Obama supporter. He's "attacked" Sen. Clinton. He seems to have no problem with McCain, now that his Aqua Velva crush is no longer in the running.

[mtnsnake]

38. So at about 1:25 into the video posted here, you don't think Matthews started crossing the line?

Oh well, maybe it's me. Maybe Matthews had every right to embarrass Watson the way he did and in the manner he did. Who knows

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

52. He was spiteful and bullying. The expression on his face was one of pure malice.

My reaction may be muted because I didn't see it unfold live, which probably had more of an impact. However, if he asked that question of every single guest, I couldn't fault him, but of course, he picks and chooses the subjects of his abusive behavior.

And, his statements posted further upthread, about Michelle Obama, should have gotten him canned on the spot.

[Independent-Voter]

76. and the best way to handle CM would be to rub his nose in it with facts. This stuff ain't rocket

science.

[jasmine621]

35. It is slowly beginning. I am a Hillary supporter but i agree with the OP

the media is now seeing this entire thing slip away from them and so are a lot of early Obama supporters who were voting for him simply to get rid of Hillary. Two of my brothers-in-law being a case in point. They are now very fearful that Obama might not only win the nomination for the Dems but also the GE. I will laugh my ass off if he does pull this whole thing off. The media and the Hillary haters had one thing in mind: to smear and trash the Clintons so that they would be finished forever on the political scene in the US. Well, I believe they did their job very well but now they are facing an Obama juggernaut that shows no signs of letting up, even to my mind. I once really believe that Obama had no change to win the GE but I am becoming more and more convinced that he can do it thanks to the great job the neocon cabal supported by the media has done on the Clintons and the prime voting blocks for Dems. If it weren't so sad that we are handing over the administration of our nation to a relatively unknown political genius who will have to face major complexities across the globe as well as home it would be hilarious at what is happening to the RW talk pundits and Hillary haters.

[mtnsnake]

43. From one Hillary supporter to another, thank you for such a thoughtful post, jasmine

So many people simply fail to see what's going on with this entire charade that the media is putting on, on behalf of the Republicans. This primary season it started with getting Hillary out of the way. To do that, they had to make like they were sort of for Obama. Now that it looks like Obama will get the nod (so they think), they will start turning on him like a horde of hungry rats to further pave the way for John McCain. The little lover affair between Matthews and Obama will be over the second that Tweety thinks Obama has the Democratic nomination wrapped up.

[scheming daemons]

55. We Obama supporters knew this....

...we never based this campaign or measured our success on whether idiots like Tweety "liked" us or not.


Do you think the 20,000 in the arena last night for Obama give two shits about what the MSM has to say?


Obama mania is beyond anything the cable networks can "control" anymore. Obama is talking above them, past them.


Just watch... November will be a 400-electoral-vote landslide for Obama over McCain.

[rodeodance]

95. I agree. This affects all Democrats

[Independent-Voter]

132. Not surprising. HRC supporters always seem to play the "Victim Card"

It's predictable as the rising sun. Watson even said today that he wasn't prepared for the interview.

[SoFlaJet]

40. Sorry but Obama-ites don't play that game

we don't jump off bridges everytime Chris Matthews turns back into creepy mode-that's Clinton supporters who want nobody to say anything bad about their candidate and will try to get people fired-it's a free world baby, and we have known what Matthews is for a long time and expect nothing less FROM him

[mtnsnake]

45. Good for you

[ShortnFiery]

47. Excellent Point. However, it's disquieting (creeps me out!) when Matthews goes politically POSTAL.

:shrug:

But no worries fellow Obama supporters, Tweety's arch rival, "The Pajama Hudeen" :wtf: are on the job. :patriot:

BTW Chris Matthews coined "Pajama Hudeen" and applied it to us lowly Netroot folks. :eyes:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

54. It's good you have that equanimity. I hope it continues.

[SoFlaJet]

69. how big of a hypocrite would we have looked like BHP

when we criticized the campaign by some to get David Schuster fired for screwing up and then now when it's done to our guy (what, twice in one day?) we now demand Matthews go? Like I said-we know the guy. I can't wait till the next time he tries that crap and gets spittle thrown back in his face with the facts delivered

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

85. I guess. I still think that the fourth estate needs more pressure from us from all quarters.

They've been given a pass to treat their interviewees like shit, if they so desire, to frame questions in a way that only allows the candidates to answer only "yes or no" or make some ridiculous pledge thus preventing nuanced and substantiative discussion of the most important issues of the day, and to rudely and dismissively talk over the candidates/interviewees when they try to answer.

They also seem to have carte blanche to toss off the most hateful, utterly inaccurate speculation with little repercussion, even those remarks which are blatantly racist or sexist. Hell, during the SC primaries, Noron actually stood in front of a "race card" with two large columns, one titled "white" and one titled "black" to show the supposed break down of voter demographics.

Like I said, anyone who can maintain equanimity in the face of an MSM with close, intimate ties to the war industry is to be commended. Know thine enemy, I guess.

[babylonsister]

44. I'm more inclined to write the Clinton campaign and ask them

:wtf: they were thinking starting their speech last night a) before the votes were in, and b) without acknowledging who won in WI. Her supporters must have been severely disappointed that not a word was mentioned about their going out in -degree weather to vote for her.

Who needs to hear from who?

[snappyturtle]

96. What struck me as weird was why did Sen. Clinton start her speech

when Sen Obama's appearance was scheduled for 8:00pm? You can't tell me her campaign didn't know that. Even I knew that! And, yeah she thanked many at the beginning of her speech at the Ohio venue and didn't mention her loyal supporters in WI. I am disappointed and frankly, confused about the conduct of Sen. CLinton's campaign. It's not as if she isn't well seasoned with campaign experience. It's too bad. Joe Scarborough said it three times this morning:"I don't understand"...in a row! That was too much too in my book. Something has gone awry.

[babylonsister]

101. They probably tried to interrupt his 'game', but failed miserably.

The writing is on the wall-I hope she starts reading!

[MNDemNY]

46. Maybe "spokesmen" should have something to "speak".

:nopity:

[redqueen]

121. Maybe both representatives should get the same treatment...

and not get a night & day difference in the way their interviews are conducted.

[MNDemNY]

137. That is only in your imagination.

[redqueen]

138. Are you kidding?

:wow:

[MNDemNY]

139. No that stat senator was unprepared, he should have had an answer.

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[redqueen]

141. In the post you responded to, I mentioned that Tubbs Jones

was not asked those questions. You responded that it was only in my imagination.

Are you saying that you belive she was asked the same questions?

[MNDemNY]

143. No, but she tried to answer the question as to Sen Clinton.

[redqueen]

144. How so?

As I remember it, she talked about plans, and leadership... made no attempt whatsoever to mention specifics, instead choosing to join in with Tweety in attacking Watson.

[MNDemNY]

145. She said she could list HRC's , but was not given the time.

That state senator got punked. That will teach him to agree to go on national TV without a clue. Too damn bad for him. He ended up looking like a "moran". A lesson learned. When you start screaming about an "unfair " question, and follow-up when the question goes unanswered, you sound like a cry-baby. We need more reporters to hold all of these "spokes people's" feet to the fire more often. Get over your own self.

[redqueen]

147. That's hilarious. She was given all that time to talk about plans and leadership.

And when she was given a chance to speak later, rather than offer specifics, she joined Tweety in his attack.

Sad that you refuse to acknowledge that Tweety (whom you seem to be admiring here, how sickening) didn't hold Tubbs Jones' feet to the fire.

"Get over your own self." :rofl: How old are you?

[MNDemNY]

148. Older than you, I presume.

If the tables were turned, and it was an HRC "spokes person" getting the grill, you would be singing a different tune. You know that, I know that. The question was not posed to Jones. Should it have been? Sure, but it wasn't. There was nothing "unfair" about the interview. Obama's guy took a big dump. So what?

[redqueen]

150. No, I would not be telling you to get over your own self.

You can take that to the bank.

"The question was not posed to Jones. Should it have been? Sure, but it wasn't."

You and I have a different definition of unfair.

[Enrique]

50. I appreciate that he demanded substance from the guy

I just wish he would demand substance from himself.

[snappyturtle]

87. or from his other guest STJones! His agenda was clear. n/t

[MNDemNY]

149. The same agenda he was pushing with all of his "man-crush" crap?

[snappyturtle]

154. Which is? n/t

[dionysus]

51. i have a perfect idea for his replacement...

Brewer and Shipley!!

one toke over the line sweet mtnsnake, one toke over the line...
standing outside of the dlc station one toke over the line

waiting for the train to DC sweet hillary, hoping that the train is on time
standing downtown at the dlc station, one toke over the line...

:hi:

[Ino]

53. It was a totally legitimate question.

That idiot Senator should have been prepared. He let Obama down BIG TIME, and made himself look like an idiot. I do like how Tweety holds peoples' feet to the fire, insisting they answer the question instead of dancing around it.

[snappyturtle]

88. three times? He was over the line especially when he didn't bother

to ask the same of Stephanie Tubbs-Jones. Of course, he burnt up so much time badgering the Texas state senator, time was up. The viewers lost.
edit....spelling

[Ino]

100. Good for him!

I'm sick of politicians who dance around questions, and I get furious when the interviewer lets them do it. If Watson had been prepared, as he should have been, Tweety wouldn't have had to ask more than once. He let down Obama and all his supporters. I applaud Tweety when he does this to Repukes... and he has done it... and I applaud him now.

It was a legitimate question, and an important question seeing as how Clinton has attacked Obama as all talk & no substance. It was a perfect opportunity to answer those charges, but Watson blew it.

I doubt this will ever happen again, as no Obama spokesperson will want to be so humiliated. So that's good.

Too bad Matthews couldn't have put the question to Stephanie too, but that doesn't give the Senator a pass for being an idiot.

I say all this as a die-hard Obama supporter myself.

[snappyturtle]

56. Couldn't agree with you more. I wrote last night I was so hopping

enraged! It's not a good thing State Senator Watson did have his poop together but THREE times Chris badgered him. Chris did not ask the same of Stephanie Tubb-Jones! Instead, he let her help with the bullying! I left the tv on last night and at one point awakened to the same earlier evening interviews and AGAIN this same Mathews segment and now again this morning on Morning JOE! What purpose did this serve? Once it was established the Senator didn't know the answer, Mathews should have gone on but didn't. I know I'm re-hashing...it's cathartic!

[mtnsnake]

91. Yup, Matthews should've been satisfied with his lack of an answer & moved on

Instead he went for the jugular in a clear attempt to humiliate and make Watson look ignorant on national TV.

BTW, I might be wrong, but I think you meant to say "more completely" or something to that effect in your subject line. :)

[snappyturtle]

97. Thank you....can you tell I'm rattled? n/t

[Neecy]

58. I wonder....

While he's certainly obnoxious and deranged in the evening, some of his worst behavior is saved for morning segments. Might be due to lack of sleep but it's possible that his blood sugar goes berserk in the morning. He was simply out of control this morning, like a crazy person who hits you up for money in front of an ATM.

He's simply been a disgrace to himself and MSNBC this election cycle. While oozing and schmoozing with the GOP candidates he's spent entire segments of his show ripping on Hillary for clapping her hands. His treatment of her has been so beyond the pale, so beyond normal political commentary, that I didn't think he could sink much lower. But this morning he did, by claiming that because the guy in the clip couldn't name any legislative accomplishments that Obama simply didn't have any. And he knows this isn't true (or if he doesn't, he has no right to be covering a political campaign). His election night anchoring has been so irritating I've been switching over to CNN, and I despise CNN.

I watched his crap this morning and all I could think of was his comment to McCain a week or so ago - "You're in my heart". Jesus Christ, he needs to be at FAUX. He adds nothing to this race except propaganda and insanity.

[mtnsnake]

155. Very descriptive post there

and I couldn't agree more.

While he's certainly obnoxious and deranged in the evening, some of his worst behavior is saved for morning segments. Might be due to lack of sleep but it's possible that his blood sugar goes berserk in the morning. He was simply out of control this morning, like a crazy person who hits you up for money in front of an ATM.

Great stuff. I love it! :evilgrin: :thumbsup:

[AlertLurker]

59. Tweety was an asshole, but Watson was an absolute DOLT.

I laughed my ASS off!

Really - it's what Matthews DOES for a living, ferchrissakes. They PAY him to be an asshole! Get a friggin' CLUE, Kirk.

It's pretty much what we will continue to see until November - especially if Obama gets the nomination.

[redqueen]

123. So... it's only what Matthews DOES to Watson... but... not to Tubbs Jones?

:think:

[AlertLurker]

125. If Tubbs-Jones reacts (or fails to) as Watson did, she would be just as deserving.

[redqueen]

134. Too bad Matthews didn't treat her the same way...

guess we'll never know whether she was prepared.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

60. I support Barack, and Tweety was annoying, but NOT unfair. The campaign never should have let

someone so uninformed represent Barack on air. That was the campaign's fault ONLY, not Tweety's. Those were perfectly reasonable questions to ask of a supporter. Barack's introduced or co-sponsored seven bills just on energy alone, for instance, and well over a dozen more on a host of other topics, and that guy should've been able to talk about that. Putting him up for Tweety to eat was a particularly unforgivable error with the style-over-substance meme floating around now.

I'm sensing some worry from my fellow O-supporters that there's a particle of actual truth to the substance-no-style meme. There's none. There's truth that Obama's camp blew this chance by putting up a local yokel who didn't know what he was talking about. My guess is that'll never happen again.

[ShortnFiery]

66. "That was the campaign's fault ONLY, not Tweety's."

True! But I won't back away from my contention that *far too often* Tweety seemingly loses all sense of decorum and morphs into a world class, spittle spewing asshole.

I think that we can all agree to the above contention. No? ;) :hi:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

74. You know it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

62. It was a fair inquiry. What wasn't fair was that Tubbs Jones wasn't

held to the same standard. Maybe she had her ducks in a row. Maybe not. But Tweeters didn't even ask.

[The Backlash Cometh]

63. I haven't been a supporter of Hillary Clinton, but I think most DUers are

hounding Chris Matthews for the wrong reason. I just saw the clip. It was a valid question. The reality is that the Dem guy was not prepared. We've known for weeks that people were launching this criticism againt Barak, so why hasn't Barak sent out the talking points before now?

Two things have carried him this far: (1) he is an inspiring speaker; and (2) People are afraid of the Hillary factor -- afraid that she'll stoke the Republicans to come and vote against her, and afraid that the Clinton triangulation technique is going to lose the progressive vote.

In sum, don't get mad because the Dem rep came unprepared to his show. Obama has accomplishments. List them, circulate them, memorize them and don't get caught unprepared again.

[mtnsnake]

84. That it was a valid question is NOT the issue. It was the way Tweety handled his answer

or lack of one. He went out of his way to completely ridicule, humiliate, and embarrass someone on national TV, and he went for the jugular when he saw that Watson couldn't name any of Obama's legislative accomplishments.

Of course the question was valid, but Matthews was a total jerkoff the way he toyed around with Watson. Watson didsn't deserve that. Jeesh

[geek_sabre]

64. Its surprising

Obama supporters interviewed on nat'l television HAVE to know this question is going to come up, and they STILL can't come up with anything.

I'd be embarrassed.

While Matthews was certainly a bit over the top, the question is going to keep coming up. And average americans are going to be turned off by the prospect of yet another empty suit once the hopegasms wear off.

[robbedvoter]

67. But I thought trying to control the media was...Nixonian?

"Free David Schuster?"

[ShortnFiery]

71. No, it's Clintonian. Only those "certain families" of power and privilege can throw their

weight around enough to get GOOD JOURNALISTS suspended. :eyes:

David Schuester, when on script, is an excellent investigative journalist. :shrug:

But HRC is *special* and wants to control the media just like Poppy and Little Boots. See a trend there? If she can get a journalist suspended at the drop of a hat, how much do you think she will BULLY the M$M IF she becomes President?!? :scared: :thumbsdown:

[robbedvoter]

102. Sorry, I was quoting your guru, H2O. Verily,The Mighty Clenis is the root of all evil

And please, enjoy your MSGOP - and all your very good friends there. I am sure they'll never disappoint you. :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

108. No, you got it all wrong, the meme is - The Clintons are the quintessential "victims" - mean M$M.

"That dog won't hunt." :eyes:

[bluedawg12]

68. OK- so we don't Watson ourselves; Info>>

Clinton's, Obama's, and Edwards' Legislative Record
by RJEvans, Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 10:43:45 PM EST
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/10/20/224345/27

[karynnj]

79. Tweety was hard on him - but I think rather than attacking him - EDUCATE THE SURROGATES

I agree that Matthews kept that attack going well beyond the point that was decent, but part of the blame goes to the surrogate. Had Matthews continued the conversation just with the HRC person - that would have been seen as biased too.

This is a long term problem. I don't get how anyone agrees to go on TV as a surrogate and then makes no effort to know the record or the accomplishments of the candidate they are behind. It is reasonable to expect that they might have to politely say "I don't know" if asked a narrow policy question, but this was open ended. Is there any Obama supporter here who couldn't do better?

This guy went to a "test" where he had skipped all the classes, didn't get the notes and likely never opened the text book. I was watching it with my husband, annoyed because either of us could have listed several accomplishments. Although this was more pathetic than anything I ever saw - there were many Democratic party officials in 2004, who seemed to have never spent the time to read what he had on his website - ONE HOUR spent doing that could have greatly increased their usefulness. Many seem interested only in the politics, not the policy or governing.

My guess is that someone could put together a tutorial on any candidate that would take no more than an hour that would make any potential surrogate appear knowledgeable. As it seems surrogates are often too lazy to look on their own like this may be needed.

[bluedawg12]

89. Exactly! Just wait till the swiftboat machine kicks in-

we all need to get our facts in place- tweety was just a love tap, wait till McNutty is unleashed in the GE.

[Tatiana]

82. He took a fair attack and morphed it into schoolyard bullying.

He asked an absolute fair question. The State Senator looked like a dolt.

And then the correct thing to do after the brief silence would have been to move on and ask Tubbs (the Washington-based Clinton supporter) the same question relative to Clinton's legislative accomplishments.

Then it would have ended in draw and Tweety's point would have been made. But he wanted to humiliate the guy and succeeded. It happens in politics, but mind my words... Texas Dems will remember this and I think Tweety may feel a few repercussions as the result of his humiliation of a popular Texas pol.

[CTLawGuy]

83. It's a legit question that the guy wasn't ready for

why does that warrant Matthews being fired?

It means that state senator should be better prepared for interviews.

[FlaGranny]

110. Because Matthews was a complete

asshole. There is no reason in the world to keep twisting the knife when the victim (of his own stupidity) is already humiliated. It was torture. People who enjoy that kind of thing, like Matthews, are, in my opinion - evil. I found it extremely discomfiting and cringed throughout that knife-twisting episode. It was nasty. Matthews just loves it when he can humiliate someone - his glee is obvious and repulsive.

[CTLawGuy]

169. oh I didn't know it was that bad

Tweety is a moron for sure.

[Marie26]

90. Just stop watching MSNBC

It does wonders for your blood pressure!

[Egnever]

98. Dont blame Tweety!

He is just trying to kiss and make up with the goddess of peace.

[kdpeters]

103. It wasn't THAT bad, and he got what he deserved from KO.

I'm satisfied that Keith and Rachel are there occasionally to give him a taste of his own medicine every now and then. Rachel Maddow has made him looks stupid a couple of times too. They both do it with smiles and humor. Congressman Watson could have done the same had he been PREPARED to go on national television. That's his responsibility to have command of the facts and the issues. It isn't Matthews responsibility to cover for him.

The way he talks about Hillary is much more offensive. It matters not that I'm for Obama to notice that he is frequently over the line with her. This incident wasn't anything to get upset over. He was just being a jerk, but he stayed within boundaries.

[JimGinPA]

104. I Did Email Them About It...

Matthews should be fired.

[GOTV]

105. So, what is the best answer to Tweety's question?

... because it's not the first time I've heard it.

[K Gardner]

111. Pick any of the accomplishments at the link..

although I think we ought to put together something cohesive and succint.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4678548&mesg_id=4678548

[GOTV]

122. Awesome, Thank you n/t

[redqueen]

109. Yeah, that was blatantly obvious and so unfair...

I thought Tubbs Jones was out of line for joining in the attacks, considering she'd said nothing at all about specific legislation, nor did Tweety challenge her to name anything.

[ShortnFiery]

113. Yes, HRC has inherited Bush's reverse Midas Touch - They're putting Tubbs-Jones back on this AM.

:crazy:

[K Gardner]

114. She has been absolutely vitriolic for the past two days.. must have

an ambassadorship or cabinet or committee spot waiting with Hillary.

[Seabiscuit]

119. Tweety, et. al. have been gushing over Obama for months. Now that they've decided

it's time to declare Obama the presumptive Dem nominee, they're ready to take him down. Don't you see? It's been a setup all along. The Repukes love to hate Hillary, but they want to run against Obama in the general election, because he's such an easy, big target.

Tweety didn't just come up with this "name one legislative accomplishment by Obama" thing overnight. Sean Hannity and the other right-wing bobbleheads on TV and hate radio have been airing this same meme for weeks. Tweety pretends to be neutral, but is aligned with the same Hannity forces in the media.

Tweety love to deceive and then stick it to people. He loves to set people up for a fall.

Tweety imagines he's deceived more people in America than ever before by now by promoting Obama, Obama, Obama for months. Now that he imagines an Obama nomination is inevitable, he's going to take him down just to make the sheeple who followed him like lemmings look foolish.

You think this sucks? Imagine what McCain and the right-wing spin machine will do to Obama during the general election.

[Political Heretic]

127. I dont call for firings the instant I disagree with someone.

He is a clown at times. But I'm always hesitant to start calling for people's heads the moment they exercise their free speech.

Maybe I'll stop watching Hardball in protest or something.

[DarienComp]

128. I'm an Obama supporter...

and I won't be demanding Tweety's resignation. We've known he's a bully for years, and I'm not gonna whine because an Obama supporter came on his show ill-prepared, and he took advantage.

[Arkana]

129. Nah--we acknowledge Watson's colossal fuckup

He failed completely and utterly to do any research or even to fucking listen to Obama's speech that night.

[RamboLiberal]

133. Thank you mtnsnake as a Hillary supporter for seeing that

Tweety was a snake in this case. As an Obama supporter if he had done this to a Hillary supporter I would be outraged as well at Tweety and not crowing at the skewering. You better believe later today when I have time I'm sending an email to Capus.

Tweety has been an ass to Hillary plenty of times and it was nice a couple of weeks ago to see him squirm when he did that semi-apology. IMHO Shuster was justly disciplined but I also think he served as a surrogate for the equally if not more outrageous conduct of Tweety who should be disciplined.

Wish we could still give DU hearts cause I'd sure love to give you one now! :kick:

[mtnsnake]

158. Appreciate the kind thoughts, Rambo

Will take a rain check on the heart! :loveya:

[Unbowed]

135. Tweety is a total whore who is drunk on the fantasy of his own power.

If CNN won't fire Glen Beck, I doubt there is any way to get Tweety fired, sad to say. And I think Matthews is a Democrat or an Independent. He just likes to kick everyone in the groin and watch them roll on the ground in pain.

I've got to the point where I just ignore the old windbag.

[BootinUp]

140. Based on that clip at huffingtonpost, I don't agree. nt

[housewolf]

151. Tweety's little secret is

that he's for whoever is ahead. He likes to support whoever appears to be winning, perhaps so that he gets to feel like a winner too.

But he's on tv, so he HAS to try to rationalize some sort of reason to support, and he's latched onto this thing about Obama's legislataive reord. He's too lazy to do the research himself, so he'd rather nail Obama surrogates.

[democrattotheend]

152. I want to know why they did not ask about HRC's legislative accomplishments

Why are these taken as a given. I honestly can't name any off the top of my head.

Not saying there aren't any, but Clinton's surrogates should be doing a better job of educating people about her legislative accomplishments. But they haven't needed to, because the media has been taking her experience argument as a given.

For the record, I don't disagree with those who say Obama has gotten better press than Clinton, but I do think her experience argument has not been given the scrutiny it deserves.

As an Obama supporter, I appreciate your being reasonable and encouraging us to stand up against this kind of attack.

[mtnsnake]

161. There wasn't enough time in his show. It would've taken over 2 hours just to rattle them all off

j/k :evilgrin: :hi:

As an Obama supporter, I appreciate your being reasonable and encouraging us to stand up against this kind of attack.

Thanks. We're going to have to be on our toes, especially once the general campaign starts. All early indications are hinting that MSNBC is going to be as bad or worse than FOX when it comes to getting the next Republican presdident elected. We'll have to do our best to keep them honest.

[anigbrowl]

157. Why don't you do it on our behalf

I mean you understand us so well. I feel you'd be the only appropriate spokesman. Frankly, I'm afraid to write to big bad Chris Matthews in case he says nothing mean about me on the air. Please write to General Electric on my behalf and demand in outraged terms that their main political anchor be censored. Because everyone knows what a bunch of fraidy cats we Obama supporters are and how we Just Can't Take It.

[mtnsnake]

160. I'm not doing anything on YOUR behalf. I already emailed, twice. If you don't want to, so be it

What I wrote was on behalf of the treatment Watson got. It wasn't to do you, individually, any special favor, so no need for the weak attempt at snarkiness.

[shireen]

162. not an Obama supporter, but fully agree ... Tweets must go! Last straw was Watson interview! nt

[DemVet]

165. I thought it was typical of the average Obama supporter.

Maybe not on here as people here seem more informed than most, but how many on the Obama bandwagon know where he stands on the issues?

If I was going on national TV saying I supported a certain candidate, I would full well know their political biography.

[RazBerryBeret]

168. well I never....

he he...but seriously, I'm offended by that comment.
I AM the average Obama supporter, and I educated myself first--by going to ALL the web sites. I'm NOT on any "bandwagon". That was a pretty unfair comment, but we have thick skin, and we're getting used to it......