ABC News: Clinton supporters have set up a 527 to attack Obama

[sabra]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/new-pro-clinton.html

New Pro-Clinton 527 to Ding Obama in Ohio

ABC News has learned that a group of Democratic politicos have set up a new independent 527 organization called the American Leadership Project (ALP) with the express purpose of helping Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, beat Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in Ohio, and possibly Texas and Pennsylvania as well.

Free from campaign finance rules, ALP will not be legally permitted to coordinate with the Clinton campaign, but it is clearly intended to help her.

The group is targeting through TV ads, mail, and phone communications white women under 50 in the Ohio area -- specifically Cleveland, Columbus, Youngstown, Charleston (WV), Wheeling- Steubenville, Zanesville, and Parkersburg (WV).

White men will also be a focus, and if there are any excess funds Latinos in Texas and middle class families in Pennsylvania will also be targeted.

ALP has developed three ads aimed at tarnishing Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, as a talker and not a doer -- the ads are called “If speeches could solve problems" -- and they will contrast Obama and Clinton on issues of importance to middle class voters, such as the economy, health care, and the mortgage crisis.

[Occam Bandage]

1. Yeah, because negative campaigning has worked *so* well for her so far.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

If she can't run on just her record then she should leave the race

she shouldn't have to get helpers to save her?

[rodeodance]

86. First--do not ASSume these are attack ads. She can outline her positions. Second

Ask Obama---about his use of 527 money--see some posts below

[Cha]

93. All hilary is usefull for is a mccain

surrogate. I knew ya were bad hilary..and you're just cementing your political demise.

[BeyondGeography]

2. The only winners at this point on her side are the consultants

and their media connections.

[Strelnikov_]

34. And the Reich candidate. Looks like the village is about to be torched. n/t

[truebrit71]

3. Bloody typical! It's ALL about them....

..oh and btw Hill...you haven't done a FUCKING thing for me so stuff your "What I've done for the middle class" bullshit...

[Common Sense Party]

8. Hey! She has been in the trenches FOR 35 YEARS, fighting for you!

You ingrate!


:sarcasm:

[Connie_Corleone]

17. Working the night shift no less.

[SoCalDem]

101. Decaf or regular, hon?

[totodeinhere]

27. So that gives her license to use dirty campaign tactics?

I don't think so.

[Common Sense Party]

33. Did I say it did? Do you know what sarcasm is?

[totodeinhere]

53. I guess not.

A lot of Clinton have seriously made that same point.

[Common Sense Party]

54. But they didn't use the sarcasm tag after they made the point.

I did.

[totodeinhere]

57. Was that tag there?

I must be blind. LOL.

[krkaufman]

98. I don't shop at Wal*Mart, so she hasn't helped me much. n/t

[Renew Deal]

30. Why should Move-On hold off of advertising now?

Or SEIU? There are 527's favorable to Obama too.

[SoFlaJet]

4. yea well that's because in their mind

the negative stuff helped...can you believe that rationalization? They lost by almost 18 points....they were up by 25 two months ago...what are these people thinking?

[Franks Wild Years]

9. It's over.

Whatever they do, it's over. Clinton - never tested before in a quest for elected office, and who has displayed that she's certainly not ready, not mature enough for the presidency - *must* put a stop to this sort of thing and remove herself from proceedings gracefully in order to salvage a scrap of dignity & respect.

[ginnyinWI]

29. unfortunately, she believes her own hype. n/t

[saltpoint]

5. A big gamble. One last desperate roll of the dice.

I predict this will blow up in the face of the Wolfson/Penn gang.

[Renew Deal]

6. More info

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/proclinton_527_prepares_for_oh.php

[Beausoir]

7. Just wait till the GOP starts pouring it on.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Right..then we can have Hillary AND McCain attacking our eventual nominee at the same time

which is why the party will force her out after March 4.

[cali]

15. I'm sure Obama's campaign is preparing for it

just as they're preparing to deal with whatever negative shit Hill throws out. They've done rather well at deflecting attacks so far.

[ginnyinWI]

31. time to send Obama some more $$$, I guess... n/t

[Renew Deal]

32. They have a ton of money

45,000 new donors in the last day. But there's also the momentum factor. I think a lot of people are starting to close the door on Hillary.

[griffi94]

10. i don't think hillary can win now

she can probly seriously damage obama tho.....

[yourguide]

11. Can you say swiftboat?

PATHETIC. Will NEVER vote for her. More Rovian tactics.

[beezlebum]

43. i've been jumping on the

"i'll support the DEM nominee" bandwagon for a couple weeks now, where before, i was very reluctant to even support either one of the remaining. it was a difficult decision to make, but i had decided that, while i'm supporting obama now, i'd vote for clinton should she win the nom. and it was a solid decision where i decided i may be going against a few principles, but i realized that it's not just about me or my ideals or desires.

but apparently, hillary has not quite had the same revelation.

BY THE DAY, NEE BY THE MINUTE, she is making it more and more difficult to believe that she would actually be better than mccrazy. these tactics, rovian indeed, are turning me so far OFF that i'm going back to my "separate but equal arms of the same faction" theory. it's really sad, and pathetic. while i haven't been a fan of hillary's in, oh, 5 years now, i wish she would at least try to retain a small fragment of whatever grace and dignity she has left.

[rocktivity]

13. Concentrate on how great YOU are, Hillary!

Tell everyone why you're BETTER than Obama, not why he's worse! That's what's turning people off--you're doing this because you want to win, not because you believe you're the better candidate!

:headbang:
rocknation

[meow mix]

14. release the swiftboats!!

:puke:

im so suprised...

[saltpoint]

16. The Clinton camp's negative attacks the past week in Wisconsin was

IMO one of the contributing factors to Obama's huge margin of victory.

[Saturday]

18. So, let me get this straight. Obama supporters ....

believe that speeches CAN solve problems?:crazy:

[yourguide]

21. we believe swiftboating is wrong.

disgusting.

[rodeodance]

79. Outling her policy positions is not swiftboading. That term is overused and you know it.

[yourguide]

81. yawn

[rodeodance]

83. its always good to see the ads before you diss them. But so trypical to make ASSumptions

before facts are know.

have a good day.

[yourguide]

89. been dying to hit ignore on you...

doing it now: bye bye

[rodeodance]

90. gee another one not willing to discuss issues--

[Windy]

44. Where in the HELL are HRC's specifics in her stump speeches???

Have you ever watched one? There is NO difference between her and Barack other than his eloquence. She certainly does not go into specifics in her stump. Wow, the talking points BS that Hillary supporters buy into is just bizarre.

You may want to watch the speeches on both sides before making such inane statements.

[rodeodance]

84. Obams learned from Hillary --he has inserted some specifics in his last few

speeches. Hillary taught him well.

[SOS]

71. FYI

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[NashVegas]

19. Wow, Obama Has Brought About Change

In 2004, DU was all for 527s helping our candidates.

[QC]

41. Yes, he has brought about change!

His movement has changed Democratic Underground into Freak Republic!

[Spider Jerusalem]

72. I seriously doubt...

anyone on DU was 'all about 527's helping out candidates' attack other DEMOCRATS during PRIMARY SEASON.

[randr]

20. The last gasp we can only hope!

[julialnyc]

22. Dirty dirty dirty

Thank you Hillary for officially being the first person to swiftboat.

[berni_mccoy]

23. DISGUSTING. ALP = mini PNAC.

[Marie26]

24. Obama has 527's as well.

They're both really skirting the line here.

Vote Hope, a group with a PAC and 527, founded by Steve Phillips, emailed supporters today with a help-wanted, announcing that they're "fired up to win California for Obama!" The email suggests that the organizing will be done through another group of which Phillips, son-in-law of the Democratic mega-donors Herb and Marion Sandler, is president, PowerPAC.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/California_PAC_gears_up_for_Obama.html



Obama takes heat for 'independent expenditure' ads - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama - who has criticized Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards for benefiting from "independent expenditure" and political action committees - is taking heat because some of the same kind of organizations are now spending money, organizing and putting up TV ads on his behalf in the Bay Area.

These types of independent organizations aren't illegal as long as they do not act in a coordinated way with the campaign. But critics say Obama is being hypocritical in denouncing Edwards' connection with "527" independent expenditure groups while not demanding that ones supporting him stop.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/25/BA3TULQIT.DTL

[Cameron27]

47. Yes he does have 527's

thanks for posting the info.

[dailykoff]

25. And the Clinton campaign segues seamlessly into the McCain campaign.

I knew this was coming. :mad:

[liberalnurse]

26. Great! Where do I donate?

It's about time we campaign on equal turf...or shall I say cancel out the Oprah backdoor factor that has promoted her choice for our next President.

[mkultra]

50. seems pretty obtuse

Negative ads and positive support have different moral values.

[RoadRage]

51. The fact that you think this is OK shows how pathtic you really are.

I'm sure you weren't thrilled with Kerry got it 4 years ago - but now that it's "your" candidate doing it - it's OK? Even if it destroy's the entire party's chances of getting the bid?

You do realize that Hillary now has almost a zero shot of getting to the white house, but you still want her to throw Obama to the wolves just because Oprah endorsed him?

And they say Obama fans are nuts... well they have nothing on you guys.

I am for Obama, but I sure as heck would not support him going after Clinton if she were winning. It does us NO GOOD to go after our own - but I guess that is missed by a lot of people who want to win at all costs - no matter what.

[liberalnurse]

58. Road Rage

I think I love you. When you spew those toxic terms at me,, I flipping get chills down my spine straight to the "Zone" honeybee.

Can I have some more?

[dionysus]

61. so swiftboating is ok if queen hillary's the one doing it?

:puke:

[julialnyc]

28. Talk about the same old politics with the same old methods

I was actually for her up until recently and I really want to like her.... but she just keeps rubbing me more and more the wrong way

[ginnyinWI]

37. I think the electorate is with you on that.

After seeing all the slime thrown at John Kerry by the Bushies, people just don't have the stomach for more this time. The didn't like it then and they hate it now.

The more obvious the attacks are, the more insulted voters feel--their intelligence is being insulted by petty attacks.

[dailykoff]

35. The TRUE FACE of the Clinton campaign:

the same haters (read transnational corporate predators) who tried to sink Kerry's campaign before they stole it.

Hilly, you're no Dem.

[julialnyc]

36. Does she even want the democrat to win if it isn't her?

[dailykoff]

39. hell no

and neither do the guys pumping those megabucks into her personal checking account.

[Yael]

77. No. She wants to destroy the party so that she can run again in 2012

[my3boyz]

38. I'm sure she is tickled pink over this but

it just illustrates what Barack has been saying all along. It is the same old politics. It is time to turn the page! She wants others to attack (because she does not have enough money) and still be able to come out smelling like a rose. The voters will connect the dots!

[my3boyz]

42. You know what...I will laugh my butt off if

Clinton approving of this (and basically tearing the party apart for her own gain) will cause a good chunk of super delegates to jump on Barack's side to give him the amt needed to win. They obviously know that Barack has the most votes, most states won and the most delegates.

[snooper2]

40. American Leadership Project

Even sounds like a repuke organization....


Hey Hillary... :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[RoadRage]

45. It's one thing to get swiftboated by Repugs.. it's another to swiftboat ourselves.

This is PATHETIC. Clinton runs out of cash, and then happily let's others do her dirty work for her - even if it's sticking the knife in her co-democratic campaign.

She really would rather her "friend" McCain win this general election then see Obama get the bid, wouldn't she?

Well - contrats.. i'm going to help her. If she hangs on the the thread and somehow even manages to get the democratic nod with these dirty politics, then McCain can win for all I care. I'm not voting for her.. as far as i'm concerned every negative ad against her own party is just a bullet in her own foot.

[New Earth]

46. how fucking disgusting

:puke:

please wake me up when it's all over.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

48. she wants to destroy the Dems chances.

kicked and recommended. This should go on the front page if enough people will recommend.

Everyone should see how low Hillary will go.

[Thrill]

49. Sad but you knew they would do anything

[Avalux]

52. Oh Goody - Hillary's very own Swift Boaters. She's going to ruin our Party.

At some point she needs to realize she's hurting the Democratic Party and her own legacy by continuing the madness.

[CreekDog]

55. Yes, the 527 cannot coordinate with her campaign, and that really should help her

:rofl:

[MadHound]

56. Looks like Hillary is ready to sacrifice the party on the altar of her ambition, vanity and ego

Sad, really, and it could very well tear the party apart. Does Hillary have any shame or morals? Apparently not.

[Carolina]

59. K&R

The revealing truth about HRC... lowdown, dirty, despicable, disgusting.

[Arugula Latte]

60. As usual, it's all about The Clintons, and screw everybody else.

Who cares about the good of the party during this, the most important election season in, like, oh, I don't know ... EVER.

Won't matter, though. Hillary is done.

Buh-bye, Hill. Thanks for playing. Please pick up your nice parting gift on the way out.

[workinclasszero]

62. Scorched earth policy, Clinton style

Did anyone REALLY think Hillary would bow gracefully out of the race???

She will burn all her bridges behind her and try to take the party with her.

The PTB in the dem party better read the riot act to Hillary and friends ASAP.

This crap does nothing but help McCain in the general.

[Skwmom]

63. If divisive, bitter partisanship politics could solve problems we wouldn't

be in this mess (and that is what Clinton would be a continuation of).

[JimGinPA]

64. Despicable...

But not a surprise. If she gets too ugly she should be drummed out of the party.

[loveangelc]

65. it's too late...

[zulchzulu]

66. Hey rat! Here's some cheese...it's good for you...

Take the bait, Hillaryworld.

You go negative and you just sink...

[NJSecularist]

67. This is absolutely garbage, Hillary

Do your own dirty work. Don't let the 527s do it.

This tells us a lot about Hillary. She'd rather swiftboat Obama and take this party down with her than gracefully bow out.

[Veronica.Franco]

68. Obama : The Blueprint for Change

"Senator Obama has been able to develop innovative approaches to challenge the status quo and get results. Americans are tired of divisive ideological politics, which is why Senator Obama has reached out to Republicans to find areas of common ground. He has tried to break partisan logjams and take on seemingly intractable problems. During his tenure in Washington and in the Illinois State Senate, Barack Obama has accumulated a record of bipartisan success."

The Blueprint for Change

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

For those who STILL haven't had the time to read about the issues yet ... obviously Hillary's team of dogs hasn't bothered ... ;-)

[dempartisan23]

69. we must reject the politics of hate

hillary will take us all down with her.

[Infinite Hope]

70. Prediction: "backfire" n/t

[Johnny__Motown]

73. So we have almost 2 weeks to slam her on this?

[snappyturtle]

74. Who knew? I always thought it was the repukes that were guilty of eating their young! n/t

[book_worm]

75. So in effect she plans to swift boat him.

[rodeodance]

95. no jack tapper did that with the help of the OP---here is Jacks REVISED post:

UPDATE---from ABC Jack Tapper---on the Clinton 527 ads: First one was deliberate Hillary smear!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/new-pro-clinton.html

From ABC---Jack Tapper----the same blogger who has made 2 recent ‘mistakes” when writing about Hillary Clinton. He corrects them later when the damage has been done.

Tapper has now Omitted this phase:
“ALP has developed three ads aimed at tarnishing Sen. Barack Obama, “

Many here in GD-P have translated this to assume that all these ads will be **attack”** ads
And have subsequently posted demeaning comments about her and the campaign.

Also the original poster had inserted the word ‘attack” into the OP

“ABC News: Clinton supporters have set up a 527 to attack Obama”

Lets not assume these to be attach ads. Thank you.


REVISED POST-from Tapper: (earlier writing was posted here on GD-P also-see below)
....

“ALP has developed three ads aimed at pushing the idea that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, is a talker and not a doer -- the ads are called “If speeches could solve problems" -- and they will contrast Obama and Clinton on issues of importance to middle class voters, such as the economy, health care, and the mortgage crisis.
.....

NOTE: Some minor tweaks in diction to this post were made for accuracy about the actual ads. And the sentence about the ads not mentioning Obama by name was added”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/new-pro-clinton.html


This is FROM an earlier post:


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/new-pro-clinton.html

New Pro-Clinton 527 to Ding Obama in Ohio



……….ALP has developed three ads aimed at tarnishing Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, as a talker and not a doer -- the ads are called “If speeches could solve problems" -- and they will contrast Obama and Clinton on issues of importance to middle class voters, such as the economy, health care, and the mortgage crisis.

………..

[AtomicKitten]

76. Of course she has because being ugly has worked out so nicely for her before.

[RamboLiberal]

78. Time to give another donation to Obama campaign

Now the race is coming close to my homestate PA I'm looking forward to seeing Obama's counter ads.

[rodeodance]

80. Nothing wrong with contrasting the issues. What a tizzy some Obamafolks are having.

and they will contrast Obama and Clinton on issues of importance to middle class voters, such as the economy, health care, and the mortgage crisis.

[Cheeseburger Walrus]

87. Last gasp...

...for air more like it.

[rodeodance]

94. I see you are ready ready for a discussion. just ready to diss her.

[jackson_dem]

102. They are terrified of making it about issues

Obama needs to keep it about slogans like "hope and change" without anyone daring to ask about the details.

[Vinca]

82. Well, if it works as well as the negative campaigning in Wisconsin,

the next races will be Obama landslides. Funny how the Clinton supporters have conveniently forgotten the wealth of dirt that could be mined on their side of the fence. Maybe, for once, the high road will be the winning road this time around.

[XemaSab]

85. The more this sort of shit goes on the more I think the Republicans were right about the Clintons

I'm going to go stab myself in the eye with something sharp now. :(

[yellowcanine]

88. That "talker not a doer" meme worked so well in Wisconsin, so why not?

[rodeodance]

91. its not NEWS---its Jack Tapper who has had "Misleading" blogs in the past-the last

one was against Bill Clinton. Tapper changed it after the damage was done.

[rodeodance]

92. UPDATE---from ABC Jack Tapper---on the Clinton 527 ads: REVisions made******

UPDATE---from ABC Jack Tapper---on the Clinton 527 ads:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/new-pro-clinton.html

From ABC---Jack Tapper----the same blogger who has made 2 recent ‘mistakes” when writing about Hillary Clinton. He corrects them later when the damage has been done.

Tapper has now Omitted this phase:
“ALP has developed three ads aimed at tarnishing Sen. Barack Obama, “

Many here in GD-P have translated this to assume that all these ads will be **attack”** ads
And have subsequently posted demeaning comments about her and the campaign.

Also the original poster had inserted the word ‘attack” into the OP

“ABC News: Clinton supporters have set up a 527 to attack Obama”

Lets not assume these to be attach ads. Thank you.


REVISED POST-from Tapper: (earlier writing was posted here on GD-P also-see below)
....

“ALP has developed three ads aimed at pushing the idea that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, is a talker and not a doer -- the ads are called “If speeches could solve problems" -- and they will contrast Obama and Clinton on issues of importance to middle class voters, such as the economy, health care, and the mortgage crisis.
.....

NOTE: Some minor tweaks in diction to this post were made for accuracy about the actual ads. And the sentence about the ads not mentioning Obama by name was added”


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/new-pro-clinton.html


FROM an earlier post:


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/new-pro-clinton.html

New Pro-Clinton 527 to Ding Obama in Ohio



……….ALP has developed three ads aimed at tarnishing Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, as a talker and not a doer -- the ads are called “If speeches could solve problems" -- and they will contrast Obama and Clinton on issues of importance to middle class voters, such as the economy, health care, and the mortgage crisis.

………..

[alphafemale]

96. Bring it ON!!! This style of campaigning gives us strenghth.

People are sick sick sick of this negative style of leadership.

That is what they do not understand and perhaps are INCAPABLE of understanding.

[elixir]

97. Wow, you Obama guys are really paniced. It doesn't take much to shake your foundation, does it?

The article mentions:

...527 organization called the American Leadership Project (ALP) with the express purpose of helping Sen. Hillary Clinton,..

It doesn't say it's going to attack Obama, it's going to help her reclaim her base. I think it's pretty smart, in fact, I think it would be stupid to NOT try to reclaim those voters.

BTW, you don't see Hillary crying because Obama is bitting into her base, do you? Booohoooo Obama, booohooooo!

x(

[CorpGovActivist]

99. K&R for outing Clinton desperation n/t

[casus belli]

100. And this, folks, is exactly why Obama won't commit to public campaign funding. n/t