Has Obama won a closed primary yet?

[QC]

This is a sincere question, not an attempt at gotcha.

Have all of his wins come in open primaries or caucuses, or has he won any closed primaries?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. You tell me. Here's the list:

Arizona
California
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Florida
Kentucky
Maryland
Massachusetts (Semi-closed primary)
Nebraska
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Puerto Rico
Rhode Island (Semi-closed primary)<2>
South Dakota
Utah
West Virginia

[book_worm]

5. CT, Del, DC, MD, NE, and UT all went to Obama

Oregon, PA, RI, SD, WVA and Puerto Rico have yet to vote.

[mohc]

12. NE was an open (modified) caucus n/t

[Maribelle]

23. Hillary won the popular vote in Nevada. Obama won 1 more delegate with his"be a democrat for a day"

Nevada is an excellent example of how Obama wants Independents and Republicans to select the Democratic Party's nominee.

[mohc]

29. NE is Nebraska, not Nevada (NV)

And although he did win more delegates in NV, when most people, including myself, refer to who "won" there they are talking about Clinton.

[Maribelle]

40. Sorry - thanks for the correction. n/t

[aein]

2. From Wiki...so yes

"States, commonwealths, districts, and territories that have closed primaries:

* Arizona
* California
* Connecticut
* Delaware
* District of Columbia
* Florida <1>
* Kentucky
* Maryland
* Massachusetts (Semi-closed primary)
* Nebraska
* New Mexico
* New York
* North Carolina
* Oklahoma
* Oregon
* Pennsylvania
* Puerto Rico
* Rhode Island (Semi-closed primary)<2>
* South Dakota
* Utah
* West Virginia"

[Orangepeel]

3. For one, Maryland is a closed primary. n/t

[thesubstanceofdreams]

7. Also DC had a closed primary

But I guess Maryland and DC don't count anyway because of the high number of African American voters :sarcasm:

[Orangepeel]

19. Edited because I have been corrected

Baltimore City and PG, which are the African American strongholds, Montgomery and Howard, which have high numbers of "latte liberals," Baltimore County, which is the quintessential "swing" county, and every county that typically votes republican.

Absolutely amazing.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

22. But haven't your heard that ONLY Ohio counts now?

:sarcasm:

[Exilednight]

34. I thought only Florida and Michigan count ... ok /sarcasm off

[dchill]

39. Yes, but only until...

March 5.

[Zynx]

47. Actually, that's not true. A bunch of the outer counties voted for Clinton when you

look at a map.

[Orangepeel]

52. Oops! You are correct. I read the CNN info incorrectly.

No wonder it was amazing!

Thanks for the correction.

[Zynx]

54. Yeah they do that really annoying thing with the counties where they put the winner of the state

on top in each county.

[shenmue]

4. Has he won in states with more than 15-20 million people?

I can't answer your question off the top of my head, but I think in most cases the answer is no. He doesn't have a lot of clean, far-and-away victories to talk about. His followers really don't address the question of voters crossing party lines in open primaries-- Independents, Republicans and others effectively trying to scuttle the vote because conservative-leaning voters *really* don't like Clinton-- and they haven't even had the primaries yet in the biggest states in the country.

Facts that may come back to bite them in the ass. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[demokatgurrl]

11. In the end it doesn't matter though-

whoever has the most (delegate) votes in the end wins the nomination. Just like any sports contest- a win is a win is a win.

[cali]

17. How many of the 50 states have populations of 15+ million?

Off the top of my head, not that many. HE has LOTS of clean far and away victories. And in the last 10 blowouts, he's won the DEM majority.

[ianrs]

21. 'clean, far-and-away victories'

clearly, not in any state that's significant...

[Windy]

36. And of the states the HRC won, the margin was not as great as Obama's in his wins

He picked up a lot of delegates in her WIN states!

He even received one more delegate the HRC in NH!

[mckeown1128]

56. So wait... I can't keep track...

So, what have we widdled the accurate states down to.


Only primaries count,
but only if they are closed,
but only if they have more than 15-20 million people,
but only if they are blue states,
but only if they don't have a large percentage of African Americans,
but only if they don't have a large percentage of wealthy or educated voters,

hmm... at last. I think I figured it out.

New York... It is the only state left that counts.

Hillary and her supporters have found the one accurate state contest. New York. If only New York were counted... then we would have the correct nominee!!!!!!

[MethuenProgressive]

6. It's sad watching Republicans and Independents pick the Democratic nominee.

I'd rather we picked who to run against them, than letting them choose for us.

[snooper2]

14. So Obama won by a mere 17% last night in WI

That's the lowest percentage he has won by in the last 10 states/wins...

How many of these cross-over re-pukes you think there are...

1%? 5%? 15%? 20%?


Get real....

[Colobo]

15. Democrats want Obama. Republicans want Obama. Indys want Obama...

I mean, it's a general desire for change.

[Hepburn]

16. So if EVERYONE wants him....

...this is a problem for you??

Get real...:eyes:

[cali]

18. Don't worry. They aren't. That's a Clintonian myth.

In the last 10 blowouts he's beat her with dems too. And he'll continue doing so. Her campaign is on life support.

[lojasmo]

24. My repug father in law voted for Clinton in AZ

Because he thinks she's easily beatable by McGoo.

I agree with him.

[Zueda]

28. Yes, cause you know how those closed general elections can be.

[Nederland]

33. I take it you like losing

You cannot win a general election with only Democrats.

[MethuenProgressive]

45. Pay attention: This is the Primary season. Where Democrats should pick their candidate.

What part of that is so hard for DUbamas to understand?

[Occam Bandage]

49. What part of "Obama has won more closed primaries than Clinton" is so hard for you to understand?

[Nederland]

57. I disagree

I believe that a system where only Democrats pick the candidate is destined to pick candidates that will lose in the general.

[onenote]

51. so why don't the repubs mind that we're picking their candidate?

I mean, open is open isn't it?

[Occam Bandage]

8. CT, DE, DC, MD, NE, UT.

[mohc]

13. UT was a modified primary, NE a modified caucus, you left out LA tho. n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

26. NE was a caucus state, but the others fill the bill n/t

[Occam Bandage]

31. I see that now, yeah. Thanks.

[ClassWarrior]

9. I have to laugh at the Rush-esque spin that the wingnuts are...

...choosing our candidate with a handful of infantile Rape-Publican crossover voters.

:rofl:

They're all-powerful!! Genuflect in their immigrant-hating presence!!

NGU.

[goldcanyonaz]

20. Let's hope you'll still be laughing come November.

[Occam Bandage]

25. Nope. After a brief bit of laughter, we'll be preparing for the next four years of Pres. Obama.

[ClassWarrior]

27. What I'll be doing in November has nothing to do with the fact that some people...

...are easily stampeded by the RW blowhards.

NGU.

[mohc]

10. Yes, he leads Closed Primaries 5 - 4

Clinton:
AZ
NM
NY
OK

Obama:
CT
DE
DC
LA
MD

[Iceburg]

44. Clinton:Obama wins in closed primaries by state populations; Clinton winner

Obama      Pop    % African American
CT     3,504,809   10
DE       853,476   21
DC       588,292   57
LA     4,287,768   32
MD     5,615,727   30
Total 14,850,072 
 

Clinton      Pop   % African American
AZ     6,166,318   4
NM     1,954,599   3
NY    19,306,183  17
OK     3,579,212   8
Total 31,006,312 

[mohc]

48. OK, so its not just winning closed primaries

Its winning closed primaries in large states by ANY margin. This is just silly. Obama squeaked by in CT and DE, but he had large margins in DC, LA, and MD. Clinton squeaked by in NM and had moderate margin in AZ. Clinton's big win in this group is OK. Even having her home state of NY in this group she leads by only 75k, Obama would lead by over 200k votes without NY in the equation. With a few more closed primaries to come, I would be very surprised if Obama did not end up with a clear vote lead in closed primaries, with PA most likely being the determining state.

[miceelf]

30. Has Hillary won a caucus yet?

What does that suggest about her organizational and GOTV skills?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

32. Nevada, but she won it dirty as hell. nt

[qanda]

35. I know Maryland is closed because my husband and I are both Independents

And if we had the option, we would have both voted for Obama.

[TwilightGardener]

37. No more excuses. Obama is a legitimate winner, Hillary is actually losing.

The excuses have been blown away, week after week. It's almost over now.

[Perky]

38. He also leads in votes in closed Primaries

Date State Clinton Obama
Votes Votes
5-Feb-08 Arizona 201,391 167,053
5-Feb-08 Connecticut 164,831 179,349
5-Feb-08 Delaware 40,751 51,124
5-Feb-08 New York 1,003,623 697,914
5-Feb-08 Oklahoma 228,425 130,087
5-Feb-08 Utah 48,719 70,373
9-Feb-08 Louisiana 136,959 220,558
10-Feb-08 Maine 17,600 25,960
12-Feb-08 District of Columbia 27,326 85,534
12-Feb-08 Maryland 273,828 439,079
4-Mar-08 Texas
8-Mar-08 Wyoming
22-Apr-08 Pennsylvania
13-May-08 West Virginia
20-May-08 Kentucky
20-May-08 Oregon
3-Jun-08 South Dakota
2,143,453 2,067,031


Without New York 1,139,830 1,369,117

[NOLALady]

41. Yes. Louisiana.

[mohc]

42. A quick breakdown of the various types of contests

Closed primaries are actually the most balanced, Obama has won 5 - 4, Clinton has a narrow vote margin due to NY being one of the closed primaries
Caucuses give Obama a 11 - 2 advantage, Clinton narrowly taking NV as well as winning handily in American Samoa.
Open primaries give Obama a 7 - 2 advantage, Clinton only taking AR and TN.
Modified primaries are Clinton's lone strength, she leads 4 - 1 in these contests, Obama only taking UT. Most of Clinton's big wins are in this category: CA, MA, NH, and NJ

[QC]

43. OK, I did think of one--Alabama.

My home state, so I know that only party members are allowed to vote in primaries there.

[totodeinhere]

46. When Clinton wins an open primary like she did in New Hampshire,

I don't see any complaints about that from Clinton supporters. But when it's the other way around, then they complain like hell. That's a double standard.

[eleny]

50. Colorado

Here we had to register as a Democrat by early December. He won by a lot - over 60% in the Colorado Caucus.

[BeyondGeography]

53. That's a concern since the General is limited to registered Dems only

Thanks for the heads-up.

[RBInMaine]

55. MAINE was ALL registered Dems and he spanked her.

We in Maine are a caucus state, and back in the fall Hillary was ahead by around 20 points. Then Obama beat her in the biggest ever caucus turnout (WAY bigger by far than any other), and Obama kicked the shit out of her almost 60/40.