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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:22 PM
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Texas Early Voting.
All elections around the country should be this way. You can vote at any Library or other precient if you vote early. Already 10,000 people have voted in Texas and there are two weeks before the official primary day.

Texas will never be accused of disenfranchising voters because of this system. Personally I think this benefits Obama. He's got the momentum and people are anxious to get to the polls. He wowed everybody in San Antonio Tuesday. I was there and, I for one now realize he does have firm stances on everything. I was inclined to vote for Hillary early on because I felt I knew where she stood.

There should be a national drive for this system.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:25 PM
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1. Those voting in Texas vote TWICE. It's important to know that.
Vote in the primary (early or on election day), then go back to your precinct polling place at 7 pm election night to caucus. :hi:
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:31 PM
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3. Can you explain that ?
It was brought up at the event by someone who spoke early on but Obama only said vote early. Today if you can. I inquired at the polling place this morning and they did not know anything about it. My understanding of it before I heard otherwise is that it is not something the cities adhere to.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:33 PM
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4. All his campaign staffers are telling people in Texas to vote early.. many
thousands did yesterday.. and more are going today after the Dallas rally to early vote. There are special early voting places and I guess you need to know the location.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:37 PM
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5. I mean the Texas Two Step.
After early voting we were told we also must go sign a list for, whomever I guess, at 7pm the night of the 4th. Kind of like a caucus event without actually caucusing.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:41 PM
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6. No, its an actual caucus. Texas does their caucus at 7 pm on March 4th and it
is a real caucus.. I THINK. I'm not from Texas so I hope some Texans will chime in here and help you :-)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:43 PM
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8. yes roughly 1/3 of the delegates are chosen by a caucus the same day
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 02:43 PM by grantcart
but you have to have voted in the primary to qualify
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:46 PM
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9. So the primary vote counts even if you don't caucus.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 02:48 PM by Skink
I guess Obama is less concerned about a Texas caucus. The campaign would rather get people to vote early in a Primary then have us worry about having to be somewhere at an appointed time. Makes sense. Especially because the national vote total could become important if the superdelagates get involved.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:52 PM
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10. Here is from an earlier post which will explain it in full detail but basically
Hillary is finished because a)its a hybrid primary/caucus system b)based on past voting cong districts with Obama's best demographics have the lion share of delegates and c)it is an open primary/caucus. Should she pull out a voting victory it is most likely that she will lose delegates.

That is why the continuation of this campaign is a sad charade


I. Make or Break State
Clinton surrogates have gone on record in a high profile way that Texas is an absolute must win.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/... /
quote
He hinted at a similar sentiment earlier this week on CNN, but James Carville – a supporter of Hillary Clinton’s White House run — was decidedly more blunt Wednesday on the impact a loss in Texas or Ohio would have on her presidential bid.
"Make no mistake," Bill Clinton's former chief strategist told the Orlando Sentinel. "If she loses either Texas or Ohio, this thing is done."unquote

II. Texas is in part a caucus state:

http://www.star-telegram.com/national_news...
quote
Texas has an unusual system of choosing delegates that involves both a primary and a caucus.

The system, which follows national party standards, is geared to ensure that all Democrats have a shot at making it to the convention and making their voice -- and choice -- heard.

"It's very, very confusing in the way politics in general is confusing," said Rebecca Deen, an associate professor of political science at the University of Texas in Arlington. "The Democratic National Convention has weighted the votes, but they want to make sure the people who participate get to weigh in."

Texas will send 228 delegates to this year's Democratic National Convention in Denver. Of those delegates, 126 will be assigned to vote for candidates based on election results.

An additional 35 will be super delegates . . .The remaining 67 delegates will be chosen through the caucus system -- with 42 being rank-and-file Democrats and 25 being party leaders and elected officials, according to a Lone Star Project Report.
unquote

Hillary and her machine has already dissed the caucus system pretty thoroughly I wonder who energized their folks are going to be for a process disavowed by their candidate. More to the point Obama's forces are skilled and they have the bodies motivated to move on a caucus.

III. The absence of a post Feb 5th campaign plan shows Clintons behind Obama in organization

On Feb 6th the Clinton campaign identified a single staffer going to Texas while Obama campaign had a detailed plan sending in the Iowa team to open 10 offices. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politi...

quote Adrienne Elrod, a 1998 Texas Christian University graduate who worked on the campaign of Houston Democratic Rep. Nick Lampson, flew to the state to do communications for Clinton. . . .

Obama officials said he would open 10 offices around the state including Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin and in the Rio Grande Valley.

The campaign named Adrien Saenz, a former aide to Rep. Ciro Rodriguez, D-San Antonio, to be its state director, and Mitch Stewart, who directed Obama's Iowa grass roots operations, to be Texas field director.

Another veteran of the Iowa campaign, Josh Ernest, a 1997 Rice University graduate who worked on former Houston Mayor Lee Brown's 1997 campaign, was named communications director.

"The ground team that has been on board since Iowa is parachuting in tonight (Wednesday)," said Juan Garcia, a Texas state lawmaker from Corpus Christi who attended Harvard Law School with Obama.



IV Delegate Distribution favors Obama.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archiv...

To begin with no one gets a single delegate for taking the state. Delegates are appropriated to state senate districts based on Kerry's performance in 04.

quote
The delegate-rich districts are the most heavily liberal state senate districts. According to this calculation, they're in Austin and in two of the most concentrated African American parts of the state. Advantage: Obama.

Clinton will get plenty of support from Latino voters, but they tend to be more spread out and thus will see their votes somewhat diluted in the 31 separate primaries. In order to "win" -- both enough delegates and statewide, you need to organize what amounts to caucus-like campaigns in each of these districts.

The white vote in Texas will probably split, with Obama taking men and Clinton taking women. Though Latinos make up a slightly larger share of the electorate than African Americans, they tend to vote in lower proportions.

Unquote.


V. Its a narrower election map.

Obama underperformed on Feb 5th because he had to spread his resources to 20 states and fight the most established machine in modern history. He was unable to personalize the campaign in every large state. He was still able to narrow the margin and either win or reduce significantly what was a 20 point plus margin in most states.

This time he will be able to focus tremendous resources including; campaign staff, money, campaign appearances, media campaigns on basically two states. He will be able to spend significant time in Texas. Currently Clinton 48 Obama 38.

Obama also has a great deal of momentum that he did not have on Feb 5th, the Hispanic community is not as homogeneously organized in Texas as it is in CA. Anecdotally Texas is thought of a place that has particularly high anti Hillary base and it is not a closed primary.

Hillary will have a real battle in simply getting 51% of the primary vote. If she does this it will still be way behind the expectations that have been laid out. More significantly it is not just likely but probable that her percent of delegates (because of distribution and also the caucus) will be less than her popular vote percent. If she is able to sustain an electoral victory she could well end up losing the delegate battle. The latest DU reports continue to show huge numbers of volunteers being organized weeks ahead of basic steps by Clinton. Its still 3 weeks away but it appears now that Texas will likely mean the end of the Clinton campaign.

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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:19 PM
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11. Not true -- We want both -- Vote early, work a polling place on 3/4, then caucus
I will post a very detailed look at the Texas caucus system soon.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:28 PM
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15. I watched that speech in San Antonio
He did tell the audience about the caucus. Maybe you missed it.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:26 PM
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14. Whether you vote early or on March 4
Show up at your designated polling station at (or before) 7:00 PM on March 4. Sign in for your candidate and get to caucusing!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:27 PM
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2. LOL

"Texas will never be accused of disenfranchising voters because of this system. "

I wouldn't quite go that far.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4675112

But yes, I do like the idea of early voting. And Oregon's mail-in ballot system. And I think President Obama should declare election day a national holiday.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:42 PM
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7. or in washington you just vote by mail or go to the election office
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:20 PM
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12. Actually, about 12,000 voted in Harris County (Houston) alone on day one.
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adabfree Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:24 PM
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13. And as Republican Chris Bagala (brother of Paul of CNN) said..
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 03:25 PM by adabfree
Of those 12000 votes in Harris County (Bush Country) 9400 were Democrats, and it bodes well and looks good for Obama. In the last election only 1200 voted early! That's a HUGE difference! Talk about a swell...
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BlueGirlRedState Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:29 PM
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16. I voted today at Randall's
The voting at lunchtime was brisk but no lines.

When my husband voted yesterday, he got a slip of paper telling him to go to the caucus on March 4 at his precinct. I didn't get a notice, and if not for DU and AAR, I would not have remembered that obscurity I learned about in high school. I've always voted in the primary but never caucused before.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:00 PM
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17. Not exactly....
It is my understanding that you can vote at any early voting site in your county. there are 35 in Harris County, for example, and they may or many not be the same as the election day polling sites. I have not heard that about libraries, but I have the list for my county, and it does not include the libraries.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:18 PM
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18. You can vote early at any Library Branch in San Antonio...
On March 4th you must go to your designated polling place. Someone in an earlier post mentioned getting a piece of paper after voting telling them to attend the caucus. That is something I didn't get when I voted. I even inquired about the caucus and nobody there new about it.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:23 PM
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19. Early voting isn't always libraries
There are various locations in your county that you can early vote at. I do actually early vote at a library, but not all the libraries have early voting. :)

You can early vote at any of the locations in your county. To caucus, you need to be at your specific precinct location by 7 pm.
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