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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:03 PM
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Hillary Clinton is a great woman, but she should step down
Hillary Clinton will go down in history as one of the most important American woman of this era. More than any other, she embodied the strong woman capable of leading our nation. She has demonstrated incredible personal intelligence, and has fought bravely against sexist attacks from the right, and most recently, sad to say, from many Obama supporters. Hillary Clinton is probably a stronger candidate than Barrack Obama, but she has failed to organize a strong campaign, and our current president is proof that it's not the quality of the candidate that matters, it's the quality of the campaign.

It is obvious that Hillary Clinton can no longer win this race in a way that would be seen as fair. To win, she will need to seat Florida and Michigan and will need a preponderence of Superdelegates. Plus, she will need to reverse the trends that are currently taking place in states like Texas, where more and more voters are leaning towards Obama. Her dreadful campaign is not going to figure out a way to win this late in the game. It also may be that our country is not yet ready for a woman President. Just looking at the many sexist posts of DUers (where Clinton has been called school marm, shrill, cackling, etc.), it's clear that the woman's movement needs to do more before this country will elect a woman.

But, we do have the chance to do something right: Elect a person of color, break open the door that has been closed to everyone but white men for 230 years. It won't be easy to do. Already, it's clear that Obama will have a hard time in Florida, which is often a crucial state. He will need every advantage to win, but he does have a superb campaign organization, a large number of apologists (who as much as I can't stand them, recognize are important to a campaign), and has a message that is innocuous enough to offend no one.

I don't particularly like Obama -- his attitudes towards gays, his embracing of conservative Christians, his outreach to Republicans and Independents -- but I support him because he has run a campaign unlike Gore's, Kerry's, or Hillary Clinton's. We have seen that his campaign knows how to win and knows how to play the game. Like it or not, that's what is needed to get a Democrat elected President. Once he's elected, all the Obama groupies will fade away (hopefully) and those of us who are more committed to liberalism than personality can push the Democratic Congress to push him to pursue liberal objectives.

But, Hillary Clinton should drop out. She does not have a realistic shot of winning in a way that will be acceptable to the many of us who support Obama (or even another candidate). If Clinton somehow managed to win, her win would be extremely controversial, and would hurt the chances for a Democratic victory in November. Her place in the history of American women is secured; if she drops out and works to unify the party, her place in American politics, with the election of a black president, will be secured as well.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:05 PM
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1. And with her attacks on Obama, she will be aiding McCain.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:06 PM
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2. McCain is doing well attacking on his own
All over Fox news today
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:37 PM
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8. One expects the Republican to attack his Democratic opponents ...
A Democrat doing permanent damage to her own party's chances is something else.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:11 PM
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3. Well said
time for Hillary to do the honorable thing and drop out.
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rjx Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:14 PM
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4. When Ohio and Texas are all said and done
And if Obama did better than predicted. Billary will go bye bye. hehe
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:16 PM
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5. Oh more of the politics of HOPE!
Fuck off.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:27 PM
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7. So Hillary preaches the "Politics of Nope," right?
Obama: "Yes, We Can!"
Hillary: "No, You Can't!"

What a positive statement.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:03 PM
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25. Better than the politics of sour grapes, whining and breaking the rules.
You seem to be quite good at that.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:19 PM
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6. Onlooker needs a hug.
:hug:
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:23 PM
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10. Thanks! n/t
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:44 PM
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9. kick n/t
:kick:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:27 PM
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11. Her campaign is so awful, imagine what kind of GE campaign would be run
i don't believe in rewarding incompetence.

her advisors are horrendous, but she is in charge, thus i have to assume that she believes what she has is the best she can do for the moment.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:09 PM
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16. It's not a bad campaign. His is better, but hers isn't bad at all.
He's getting 90% of the vote of black voters, who comprise nearly 40% of the Dem voters in SC, MD, and VA. She's getting 40% of the 60% of women Dem voters.

She's won the big blue states of NY, NJ, CA, FL and until a week ago had double digit leads in OH, PA and TX.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:53 PM
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23. It's a bad campaign in 2008
It may not have been bad in 2007, but this year, it certainly is.

I should add that she had a great deal of black support until for some reason, she lost it rather quickly --now that's malpractice in a Democratic campaign.
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mathewsleep Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:44 PM
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12. if she does stay in, she should stay positive.
the negativity isn't helping her anyway. but, it is good practice for obama to get attacked.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:54 PM
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13. If hilary is so great..why is
she trying to tear the Democratic Party apart so that she will get back in the white house at any cost? Riddle me that, Onlooker? All she's doing is aiding and abetting mccain. Thanks for the memories, hilary.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:03 PM
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14. That's the idea of an election
Obama does the same thing, but far more effectively. He has reached out to people who believe that gays can be cured, he has reached out to Republicans, he has reached out to religious conservatives, etc. He is doing what's necessary to win, but he's selling his soul in doing so. Is it worth it? Well, yes, I'd rather have Obama than McCain, and the fact that Obama is willing to sell his soul to get elected shows he prepared to do whatever is necessary to win. Only now that Obama is leading is he taking the high road, but prior to that he played low ball as much as anyone, just with greater subtlety and finesse.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:26 PM
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17. No dice...hilary's vicious attack dogs
need to be recalled to the kennel.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4684517

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4680904

And guess what, onlooker? Wisconsin didn't buy hilary's last minute negative shit. And, Obama got a landslide in Hawaii but he's their Favorite Son.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:07 PM
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15. Electing a 'person of color' more important than electing a woman? nt
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:43 PM
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18. That's certainly not what I said, ...
... but whether we elect a woman or a person of color, it's a great victory for our society.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:12 PM
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29. scratched
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 09:13 PM by Crisco
...
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Ano Genitus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:44 PM
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19. I Do Not Believe She Is A Wolfman.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:09 PM
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28. Tell the NYT and WP op-ed columnists that.....nt
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:48 PM
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20. And she got where she is by accepting advice from anonymous political novices on internet forums.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:49 PM
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21. "our current president is proof that it's not the quality of the candidate
that matters, it's the quality of the campaign."

That much at least I can agree with you on. Not to the point of agreeing she should step down just yet, however. At least let her have the Hail Mary she is hoping for on March 4. Then if that doesn't work the chorus of voices will probably get so loud she may have a hard time ignoring them.

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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:50 PM
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22. Yeah, because Democracy is just so lame.
Why should the state's that have yet to vote be given a chance to choose? End it now, because the voices of the people must not be heard. Geesh, the primary season isn't over - give the voters - you know, the people - the chance to have their say. Regardless of HOW or WHEN they vote.
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:58 PM
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24. If she leaves now - or latest March 5th - she will be judged honorably
I think she maybe can stay till March 5th and still exit with honor, and leave the party strong.

I think the writing is on the wall for her - BUT (despite my "Open Letter")

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4681335

I have been pursuaded that March 5th is still "ok".

The key seems to be this - if she does not win BOTH Ohio AND Texas by a MINIMUM of 20 points.

Then she will not have a rationale for staying in.

If she does with both by 20 or more points - then game on!

If she does not -- if they are close or within 10 points -- then it is truly time to unify around our presumptive nominee.

The scenario of "dirty tricks" with super delegates or Florida and Michigan is too groteque to even talk about at this stage.
It's consequences would be devastating.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:05 PM
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26. I support Obama but no she should not. It is not over yet. I don't expect Obama to wrap it up
before Pennsylvania and probably not then. At some point it will be clear that Obama is so far ahead that Clinton cannot win. Then she should concede for party unity.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:08 PM
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27. If she has it in her, and I believe she does, she should fight on,
through Texas and Ohio.

I wouldn't be able to shoulder what she has endured, but I am the penultimate wimp.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:18 PM
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31. Right---so many here do not want the upcoming voters to count.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:18 PM
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30. I think she should stay in
I like Obama but I think that the process should be as long and drawn out as possible. That way if some potential bad thing is uncovered that we don't know about there will still be a choice.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:18 PM
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32. Hillary Clinton Is a Great Woman, And She Should Continue Her Campaign
As long as she has the funds to do so. Where do you or anyone get the gall to, after subjecting her campaign to sexist attacks from the NH debates and on forward, insist Hillary be a good little girl and sit down & shut up?

If we go to a brokered convention, we go to a brokered convention and we deal with it the way grown-ups do and have for decades - centuries, even?

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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:56 PM
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33. So Obama "groupies" are not commited to liberalism?
Why aren't the people whining about the nastiness of Obama supporters calling out this crap as well?
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:05 PM
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34. BUT, you will be electing a very strong 1st lady, and great role model, take pride their at least.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 10:08 PM by cooolandrew
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:06 PM
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35. How many "Hillary should bow out" threads does DU need?
What are you accomplishing?
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