Clinton campaign starts talking Puerto Rico

[Lone_Star_Dem]

Just hours after the dust settled from her 10th consecutive loss to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), embattled Democratic candidate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) campaign said she will be in a position to “clinch the nomination” at about the time Puerto Rico votes.

Puerto Rico, the last contest in the primary and caucus season, will not vote until June 7.

Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to Clinton, said on a conference call with reporters that while the camp of the former first lady sees Obama as the frontrunner, the campaign continues to believe it will narrow the gap with the Illinois senator and pick up delegates in the coming weeks and months.

June 7th! Half of GDP will be tombstoned before then.

It would appear she's not of any mind to give up the fight. All things considered I can respect that.

[DJ13]

1. "I want my crown, and I dont care who I hurt to get it!"

:eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

4. She's running for President

What's wrong with that? Why is it a destructive, hurtful thing to do? Obama's running, too.

[TheWraith]

20. Because for a less egotistical person, it would be about the party and the people, not yourself. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

23. How does the same exact thing not apply to Obama?

[anigbrowl]

27. He's winning contests

The difference is that Hillary's campaign seems to be going against the tide of what the voters want. Personally I think she'll stay in until March 4th, but if she doesn't win big on that day she's going to lose all her credibility.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. Yes, he's ahead now

she was ahead before, but I didn't see people screaming for Obama to drop out.

It's not over yet. Why get mad at her for continuing the race? It makes no sense.

[cali]

31. when was she ahead?

She hasn't been. Certainly not like this. He won Iowa. She won NH. She won NV- but he won more delegates there. He won SC. They split 2/5. Since then he's beat her by no less than 17 pts in 10 straight races. Again, I don't think she should drop out, but she's never had the kind of lead on him that he has on her. And this thing is well over half completed.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. So he's got a bigger lead than she had

I still find the calls for her to step down silly and insulting.

They both wanna be President - I don't see one side being "at fault" for that.

[TheWraith]

39. Her campaign has admitted that the only way to get nominated is to overturn the primary results

Using superdelegates. When the only way to win is to steal the election, I call that having lost.

[MonkeyFunk]

40. No

they haven't said that.

[TheWraith]

42. Yes, they have. Check with Howard Fineman, or any of the delegate counters.

The math says that Clinton would have to win all of the remaining competitive states by 65% to even catch up, let alone surpass Obama in delegates.

[MonkeyFunk]

45. When did the Clinton campaign

say the only way they can win is through superdelegates?

[milkyway]

50. Hillary has been behind since Day One in Iowa, and has never even had a single day of voting in

which she received more pledged delegates.

This has been obscured because most media outlets have included superdelegates in their counts. In fact, Super Tuesday is the only day, of nine different voting days, in which Hillary won more pledged delegates in any state.

Jan 3: Iowa Obama 16, Clinton 15
Jan 8: NH Obama 9, Clinton 9
Jan 19: Nevada Obama 13, Clinton 12
Jan 26: SC Obama 25, Clinton 12
Feb 5: 22 states: various counts, but all had Obama winning more; msnbc: Obama 861 Clinton 855; wikipedia: Obama 847 Clinton 834
Feb 9: Obama sweeps Louisiana, Washington, Nebraska and Virgin Islands
Feb 10: Maine Obama 15 Clinton 9
Feb 12: Obama sweeps 3 Potomac contests
Feb 19: Obama sweeps Wisconsin and Hawaii

[Kahuna]

59. When was she ahead? Sure she SAID she was. As you should know by now..

that doesn't make it so. ;)

[JackORoses]

43. She has already lost, dragging this out will only endanger the Dem chances in November

[rodeodance]

48. HOGWASH. making silly claims once again with nothing to back them up.

[JackORoses]

53. it is much sillier to think Hillary is going to win 65% in the remaining contests

I have numbers to back up my claim.

There is no way Hillary can win this without
a)MI and FL
b)Superdelegate Strings being pulled
c)Poaching Obama's pledged delegates

She cannot win this fairly.
She will not be allowed to steal this.
She is finished.

[rodeodance]

56. silly--there are NO numbers in your post.

it is much sillier to think Hillary is going to win 65% in the remaining contests
Posted by JackORoses


I have numbers to back up my claim.

There is no way Hillary can win this without
a)MI and FL
b)Superdelegate Strings being pulled
c)Poaching Obama's pledged delegates

She cannot win this fairly.
She will not be allowed to steal this.
She is finished.

[JackORoses]

57. The numbers are Public. They are known as Delegates. I'm sure you've heard of them.

But don't let certain defeat stop you from making a fool of yourself.
Be my guest...

[rodeodance]

60. Irrelevant-----you said they wre in your post and they were not.

[JackORoses]

61. I said I have the numbers, I didn't say they were in the post.

You can find them most anywhere. But you know that.

You probably avoid things which could shatter your fragile Illusion.

[Deep13]

9. C'mon, they're all like that.

One has to have a colossal ego to run for president.

[CreekDog]

16. colossal ego...hopefully combined with a grasp on reality

even if tenuous.

[Deep13]

18. Hopefully. nt

[rodeodance]

47. many here on DU assume the Corination is set for Obama. -before the primaries are over.

[HeraldSquare212]

And the next firewall, a little farther east: Portugal!

[Alhena]

2. Novak said Obama was the favorite in Puerto Rico because of

the endorsement of the governor- that he has some big political machine he can put at Obama's disposal.

I'm skeptical of that, but really don't know anything about PR politics to say differently.

I will say that Hillary's appeal among Latinos seems to be strongest among Mexican-Americans, and Obama was strong in the Potomac primaries among the hispanics there, who are largely Guatemalan and from other areas.

[Renew Deal]

8. Bill stalled closing Vieques

So I doubt PR appreciates that.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

32. You're right, we didn't care much for that shit. Everyone knew that

the military exercises the Navy was engaging in were obsolete. There was no reason to let them go on that long so that asshole Bush would end up closing it anyway.

[Cha]

37. That would be just

blowback in my book! Again, not caring what affects The People only the corps/military machine.

[cali]

3. god they're pathetic

hard to feel anything but contempt for Ickes and Penn and Wolfson.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. They should advise her to drop out

before it's decided?

How silly. They're both running for president - it's not reprehensible for either of them to do so.

[cali]

21. Did I say that? No. I've said repeatedly she should stay in

as long as she wants. But this moving of the firewall business IS pathetic- along with most of the crap that comes out of the mouths of Penn, Wolfson and others.

[high density]

5. June? hahah

Who's going to finance that?

[no name no slogan]

13. They went all the way to June in 1968

with the CA primary. I could see this one going on that long...

[milkyway]

51. and that turned out well.

[K Gardner]

6. .....

:banghead:

[LakeSamish706]

7. You people must have known that with Hillary.... I expected no less actually! n/t

[XemaSab]

10. .

:rofl:

[SKKY]

11. Hillary kinda reminds me of Shooter McGavin...

....I wonder if she plays golf.

[slick8790]

15. "You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?!"

"...NO!"

[SKKY]

25. I wonder if she can make things out of clay...

...or lay by the bay?

[bicentennial_baby]

35. Bbbut, it's Shooter's turn!

:rofl:

[Arkana]

12. Hahahahaha what the fuck.

Are you serious???

If she doesn't get what she needs out of Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania (assuming she's still in the race by then), then Dean will have her carted off screaming something about how she deserves the presidency, dammit!

[Avalux]

17. I thought for a minute you posted an excerpt from The Onion, lol.

Obviously Hillary doesn't care if she rips apart the Democratic Party in order to get what is rightfully hers. :eyes: Not only will she hurt our party, she will also succeed in destroying her own legacy.

[grantcart]

19. I think Harold is simply angling for a trip to the beaches there lol

[yourguide]

22. didnt she say this would be over Feb 5?

God they are so sad.

[GumboYaYa]

24. If she stays in until June 7th, that will end the Clinton/Bush dynasty forever.

GWB has discredited the Bush side of the dynasty. Hillary is doing her best to sink the Clinton side. Staying in until June 7th, loss, after loss, after loss, will certainly finish the job.

This is certainly a positive development for democracy in America.

[milkyway]

52. Yes, she'll put an end to Chelsea's future political viability.

:-)

[VolcanoJen]

26. "Half of GDP will be tombstoned by then!"

:rofl:

That's the best laugh I've had all day, LoneStar!!

Damn, I really do think it would be much, much better for the party if this thing ends on March 4th, the day that Texas and Ohio join the long list of states which do not matter. ;-)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

38. Honestly

I think this is a rally cry to the troops to let them know she's a fighter statement.

I'd like to think since Bill already admitted today Texas is going to make-or-break Hillary, she'll do the right thing if it goes against her.

However, Congressman Lloyd Doggett (D-TX and superdelegate) did decide to endorse Obama today. Just last week he was still on the fence as to if he would make a choice before the primary. I wondered if his decision didn't have something to do with putting enough momentum behind Obama to nip this in the bud before it goes sour for the party.

[milkyway]

54. I can't wait to hear Mark Penn call Texas and Ohio insignificant states.

[IDemo]

29. Don't forget Poland!!11!!

[samdogmom]

30. LOL! n/t

[City Lights]

34. So Puerto Rico *could* be relevant, but actual states are not.

:crazy: Does Hillary want to be president of the United States, or the Untied States? :crazy:

[damntexdem]

36. I might be able to respect that -- I just can't respect her.

[Meshuga]

41. "June 7th! Half of GDP will be tombstoned before then"

:rofl:

[milkyway]

44. I knew it! Puerto Rico is their new firewall. She will turn herself into a laughingstock of history.

[no name no slogan]

46. no lo podemos

[Eurobabe]

49. The Clintons don't care about the Dem Party, only about their

own selfish interests. :eyes:

[snappyturtle]

55. I don't know if I respect her for not dropping out and going until

Puerto Rico votes but her staying in keeps Sen. Obama in the news probably more than if she dropped out. He's done all right so far with her in it!

[americanstranger]

58. How do you say 'firewall' in Spanish?

- as