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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:49 PM
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Obama did NOT flip-flop on taking matching funds in the GE like McCain and Hillary claim...
From Olbermann:

"This is what that actually was: a questionnaire last November from the Midwest Democracy Network. Question 1-B was, if you‘re nominated for president in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system? Senator Obama‘s answer began with yes.

Senators McCain and Clinton had been treating it as if it ended there. In fact, he goes on to talk about his proposals for free radio and TV time, a fundraising truce, the return of excess donations and concludes: “The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal and Senator John McCain, Republican Arizona, has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue and agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23236116/
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:52 PM
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1. More to the point, why is Hillary siding with McCain?
Assuming Obama is the nominee, that would mean Clinton is out of it. So why make an issue out of this?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:54 PM
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2. It seems she will try anything to try to bring Obama down. Kind of like a murder/suicide
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 03:55 PM by jenmito
but she doesn't realize it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:57 PM
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3. Even more to the point:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:22 PM
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7. I really hope Obama brings some of this up tomorrow!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:25 PM
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20. Because she's of the Party of Clinton, and not the Dem. Party
Win at all costs.. even if it uncovers the hideous underside of the Clintons. They're actually turning a good chunk of their biggest backers away, and I see nothing wrong with that. The Clinton Brand is a few steps away from the grave, and I think maybe, Bill seems to be recognizing that. He may have to step in to preserve his own legacy.

I hope he doesn't, but if he's smart, he will.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:34 PM
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23. She reminds me of Lieberman when he lost the Dem. primary and then created the
"Connecticut for Lieberman" party. The difference is that HE got away with it. The Clintons will lose.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:59 PM
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4. To me ...
the last line is the bottom line ...

"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue and agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

Yet ANOTHER specious "attack" by Hill ... I think that last line makes it clear that he will TRY to work toward having both candidates take public financing, but won't limit himself in that regard if his opponent will not abide by that agreement ... Can't know until it gets to that point, first ... Second, he would be a fool to stick to public financing if his opponent didn't ... Honorable in some regard, but it would be the equivilent of fighting with your fist against someone with a knife ... Honorable, but you are MUCH more likely to get killed ...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:07 PM
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5. Yes. I agree. It's sad how another Dem. is siding with the Repubs. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:14 PM
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6. And CNN just reported the "yes" part of Obama's answer, saying he agreed to public financing.
CNN-another "fair and balanced" network. :eyes:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:25 PM
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8. I think it is a debate trap they are hoping she brings it up
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:28 PM
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9. You mean you think Obama wants the moderator to bring it up? n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:36 PM
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10. I think he wants Hillary to bring it up and then he can
1) say she is plagerising from McCain 2)give a detailed lecture about what exactly he would put on the table for a negotiation with John McCain. It would be substantive, direct and ethical. It would be the coup de grace of the campaign. My reason for thinking this is that they always have a quick response on any attack and this one they just went quiet on - they want her to make an accusation that they know they can demolish.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:38 PM
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11. Thanks for the explanation...
That's what I THOUGHT you meant. And I agree. :hi:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:42 PM
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12. With the way McCain has already started distorting Obama's comments, I hope Obama rejects financing
As an Obama supporter and donor, I want to help finance the largest grassroots movement in political history.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:47 PM
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13. I hope so, too. You KNOW they will have 527s going after him and he'll have MORE than
enough money with our help to fight back. Quickly. McCain knows how much Obama can and will raise in the GE. He's scared.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:10 PM
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15. Exactly. He is scared. He would have to spend all his time fundraising, while Obama campaigns. nm
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:20 PM
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18. Yup. n/t
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:01 PM
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14. Haven't you heard? Hillary & McCain are very close friends.
You can see Bill talking about it in this video I recently posted on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_p3I-w7Coo
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:22 PM
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19. I know. I've heard BOTH Clintons say they're close friends. Too bad their voting records
are so close, too!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:16 PM
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16. 1. Why the hell is Hillary jumping on this? Seriously, who exactly does that help?
If she does manage to get the nod, she is hamstringing herself. Not too bright, really, in her zeal to trash Obama.

2. Obama will not pay for McCain's bank loan. Period. McCain is shit out of luck in that regard.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:17 PM
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17. She cares only about hurting Obama. He challenged her rightful claim to the DNC throne.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:29 PM
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21. She thinks it makes Obama look bad. She's not even thinking of the harm she's doing
to herself. And you're right. McCain IS SOL. :D
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:25 PM
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25. Obama is bulletproof.
Next time they best bring kyrptonite.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:32 PM
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22. Kneecaping the eventual nominee.
This is not constructive. If they want to go dirty, then go dirty, but you sure as hell don't want to bring down the whole party with you.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:39 PM
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24. Exactly. She doesn't care about the Dem. party as much as she (and Bill) care about themselves. n/t
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