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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:46 PM
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Name a thing America should be proud of since 1982
Michelle Obama is 44 years old. If we officially call her "adult" at the age of 18, that gives us from 1982 to the present.

I want everyone here to start brainstorming. You can't cite world war 2 or the civil rights movement, since those things happened before 1982. Let's see how many things America did in the last 26 years that ought to bring true pride to every single American. Let's make a list.

Now that that's out of the way, here is Ms. Obama's quote in CONTEXT:


"People in this country are ready for change, and hungry for a different kind of politics and let me tell you something, for the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."


She was clearly talking about the political process; as in "different kind of politics". Not to mention that the word "really" completely makes a difference in meaning.

But let's assume we buy the mainstream media's and the Hillary campaign's spin and that she meant she wasn't proud of America at all. Let's get that list going!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:47 PM
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1. The internet
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 04:48 PM by Bread and Circus
That's about it.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:48 PM
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2. The Internet was invented in the 1960's
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 04:51 PM by lynyrd_skynyrd
And the world wide web was invented in Europe by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit, at CERN.

Try again.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:59 PM
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23. And Clinton / Gore Helped Its Exponential Growth
With their policies.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:11 PM
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38. Certain advances of the internet occured in the 1980's but you are right the invention
goes back further than that.

Still, U.S. involvement in the development of the internet is still something to be proud of.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:46 PM
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102. Point of clarification. She did not use the word "really" in first speech that day. nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:49 PM
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3. Pork rinds.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:50 PM
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4. Kosovo, Haiti,
2 former presidents traveling the world to raise money for tsunami victims. That's right off the top of my head. Give me an hour and I'll come up with lots more.

That said, I understand her larger point however, she should just clarify and move on. Mountain/molehill.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:52 PM
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10. Kosovo is something be proud of?
Sitting around doing fuck all until a distraction was needed cause someone sucked off the president?
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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:54 PM
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12. It was a good use of American power to stop Serbian aggression n/t
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:56 PM
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16. After how many years of slaughter?
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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:04 PM
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31. We came late, but it was the right thing to do
Also remember how close the Serbs and Russians were. If the USA went in guns blazing from the get-go, it might have created bigger problems between us and the Russkies.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:07 PM
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33. Canada was in there from the get-go
The russians never caused shit. Face it, yeah, it was the right thing to do. But it came late and only came as a distraction. Just like Rawanda.
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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:08 PM
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34. Was Canada bombing Serbia? That's what ended it. nt
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:17 PM
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47. No, but we were protecting people as best we could while the US ignored it.
Then someone sucked your president's cock and he needed to look good. So, you decided to get off your ass and do something. So, you don't get to gloat about it being a good thing. Why? Because you never woulda gone if it wasn't for that hummer.
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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
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55. You were only there to send a message to the Quebecois about breaking away
Screw Canada
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:24 PM
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57. Are you this retarded for realzies?
Don't make me burn your stupid capital, yankee doodle.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:16 PM
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46. FWIW: No American soldier was lost in that war. Compare that to Iraq. n/t
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:18 PM
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50. Totally different wars
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:38 AM
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104. You're right
We should have continued doing fuck all and let hundreds/thousands of people die. That would have been better. Of course.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:50 PM
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88. Haiti??
I recall that (under President Clinton) we hung elected president Aristide out to dry and turned away thousands of Haitians fleeing crippling poverty and murder, a situation that festered in an era of American benign neglect. This, while we were welcoming Cuban boat people with open arms and offers of naturalization. Haiti continues to be a basket-case.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:06 PM
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93. Yeap.
We shit the bed on that one too.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:50 PM
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5. the US governement has been corrupt and evil long before 1982
and it still is. What we need is a good clean out.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:03 PM
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30. Some things to be proud of since 1982
American Artists part in the New Wave and Punk Music and fun pop music in the 80s
Winning the Cold War (No, I don't credit Reagan solely)
The intenet of the 90s! Well, the internet didn't become available to the general public until the 90's right?
Booting out Bush 1 in '93
Alternative and Grunge music of the 90s
Clinton's wondrous economy, the longest peacetime expansion...
Booting out the GOP congress in 2006


I could name a lot of negatives too, of course!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:51 PM
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6. Not giving Bush SR a second term
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:44 PM
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85. Bush1 expected to be impeached after Dec 1992 BCCI report was released. He wanted to lose
and he needed to lose, so Jackson Stephens had his boy in Arkansas ready to go, and GHWBush proceeded to run the worst campaign in history.

And when Bill took office he deep-sixed all the outstanding matters in BCCI throughout the 90s for GHWBush and Jackson Stephens (who brought BCCI into this country for GHWBUsh), for Dubai and Saudi royals, Marc Rich, AQ Khan, Adnan Khashoggi, Bin Ladens, James Bath, and scores of others.

That worked out well for this country in the long run, eh?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:51 PM
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7. Grunge
For the first time ever, we had a music that did not sell out to the corporations!
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Sock Puppet Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 AM
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110. first time ever?
:rofl:
that's cute.

btw - this is the label Nirvana was on:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:46 AM
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112. your graphic's blocked at work
I'm glad you got the joke, anyway
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:51 PM
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8. The first two term Democratic administration in my lifetime
Something she can only wish for herself and her husband at this point.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:51 PM
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9. It's hard to be proud of something
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 04:55 PM by BuyingThyme
from which you have been systematically or inherently excluded.

I don't think that's what she meant, but how can somebody be proud of, say, a volcano?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:52 PM
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11. Bosnia, Kosovo, our attempt to fix Somalia
Gulf War I, tsunami relief...
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:54 PM
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13. Nothing. Go Obama!
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:54 PM
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14. Dumping George H.W. Bush in 1992
One of my faves
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:55 PM
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15. One word...
Napster Baby!!! It started it all!!!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:56 PM
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17. I Listed One In a Thread Earlier Today
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 04:56 PM by Crisco
That dropped off the face of the planet in a hurry.

Here's the main point:

When the shit started flying was in the latter half of the decade, when college students were protesting en masse to force their schools to divest their endowments of, and stop doing business with, corps that did business in South Africa. When one big school (Harvard?) dropped Kodak, it was headline news. I had already graduated, but my roommate was in NYPIRG, she was always organizing stuff for SUNY Albany. The phone never stopped ringing. It was going on at campuses all over.

I'm guessing that Michelle Obama wasn't a part of this movement when she was at law school, because if she was, then surely the work of her peers, then, would be something to be really proud of.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4678573

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:56 PM
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18. It baffles me that
people think this is a winning campaign argument.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:00 PM
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Its the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
Stopping rwers from portraying Michelle Obama as some kind of America hater by enforcing that view in ways she would never do.

I know what she is saying but this is better dropped if this is going to be the defense.

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:18 PM
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49. shhhhh.....
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:18 PM by incapsulated
nonono.... I think this is an EXCELLENT IDEA.

:evilgrin:

New Campaign Slogan for Obama:

America Suxors.... UNTIL THERE WAS ME!!!

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:20 PM
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52. Really? IS that how it's being treated?
I thought it was just a bunch of hoopla about a poorly planned remark. Glad I don't have to vote down there.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:26 PM
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59. It's being treated
as one more piece of the Big Lie they're going to run against Obama - that he's not "American" enough.

The lapel flag pin, the madrassa, the muslim father, the hand-over-the-heart, and now this. They're gonna push all of those ideas, and more to come, non-stop to instill the idea that Obama is unpatriotic or unamerican.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:30 PM
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Well, he does have a weird name. So, I'd watch him carefully.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:38 PM
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100. it would have sounded better filtered through mark penn's grocery hole
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:56 PM
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I was proud of the way people cared for each other after 9/11
Until we totally squandered it and started our aggressive mid-east policy.

But for a few weeks there, we really felt for each other and it showed.
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adabfree Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:56 PM
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19. Madonna??
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:58 PM
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20. Yeah let's dive right into the Republican trap.
By discussing as Democrats, why we have nothing to be proud of this country in the last 30 years.

:eyes:

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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM
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42. OK, let's join the "America can do no wrong fairytale myth parade"
because that's the only position sanctioned by the MSM and our republican opponents :eyes:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:30 PM
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63. So let me get this straight.
When the right wing twists the meaning of your candidate's (in this case his wife's) words to try and portray her as having nothing to be proud of this country in the last 30 years (vs what she actually said), the best response is agreeing with that mischaracterization?

:shrug:
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:44 PM
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86. The RW will twist everything, that's what they do
I'm confused by the fuss being made by democrats; what do YOU think she meant, and what do you propose she/we do about it?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:47 PM
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87. I thought she meant that she was proud of her husband's campaign & the response it was generating
That seems to be borne out by her clarification.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:58 PM
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91. Yes, but she made her point by contrasting America's past with America's future
She does indeed have more to be proud about now than in the past. I agree, and the republicans can go to hell.
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Moh96 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:58 PM
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21. obama running for president in 2008
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:58 PM
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22. fall of the berlin wall
citizens response to 9-11.......aid we sent to tsunami victims......huge protest by ordinary citizens concerning the start of the iraq war......our country is more than just out government....and if she can't find a single thing to be proud of in her adult life she's either not looking very hard....or it was rhetoric whose only purpose was to inflame......either way it's a dumb thing to say
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:52 PM
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89. I vote "or it was rhetoric whose only purpose was to inflame..."
She is just that shallow and so is her lying "I won't run for President before I finish my first Senate term" husband. He is a liar!
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:56 AM
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106. America did not cause the fall of the Berlin Wall
It was Gorbachev who introduced glasnost and perestroika to the Soviet Union and refused to continue the Stalinist approach to politics (which included jailing, torturing and executing anyone who questioned the legitimacy of the regime).

Then Gorbachev told his Eastern European allies that the Soviet Army would not help them suppress their own populations.

Freedom of movement across borders was started in Czechoslovakia and Hungary, then spread to East Germany.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:00 AM
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107. By "America" I think she means the Federal Government
So when America invaded Iraq, despite the protests of the anti-war movement, that was not a reason to be proud of America.

Michelle was not saying that no American citizens have done anything they can be proud of.

She was talking about America the country. i.e. the Federal Government.

She was also talking about her own feelings, which nobody else has a right to criticize.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:00 PM
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24. Nintendo and Ipods.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:00 PM
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25. Craft beers/Microbrews
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:02 PM
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26. the 1986 world series*
*Boston not included.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:02 PM
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27. OP: After looking at this list.. i think you make your point!
Madonna & Pork Rinds are really the most that we have to be proud of in Michelle's adult life time. Wow.. i do tend to see where she's coming from now.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:03 PM
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28. Space shuttles; first (finally) female speaker of the house...
Ok, so Pelosi is a disappointment - at least she got in there.

I am proud every time I vote - YMMV on that one as well.

I'm also proud of ex-presidents such as Al Gore and Jimmy Carter.

There is much to be proud of and of course much to be disgusted by.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:11 PM
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39. The first shuttle flew in 1977,
and the first shuttle mission to space was in 81.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:12 PM
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41. So? One just ended a mission this morning
I'm proud that we have kept the very important space program going.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
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54. I have great respect for the individual scientists and astronauts
who have worked on shuttle missions. But as a project that symbolizes something about America as a country, wasn't the mission accomplished already by 1982? What big, awe inspiring feats of American ingenuity has Nasa pulled off since then?
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:47 PM
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65. how about the Hubble?
the Mars rovers that were built cheaply and lasted many times longer than they were supposed to?

I, personally, am proud of the fact that Americans are, per capita, the largest donors to charity in the world. Not the government, but individuals. And I am proud of an America where a woman can go to princeton and hls, join a firm, quit, end up in the public sector and finally earn a lucrative gig at a hospital, while getting married and having children, and no one thinks this is odd, no one thinks she's a bad mother, or a bad wife. That would not have been the case in 1982. Oh, and did I mention this woman is black? And no one thinks that is anything odd, to see a successful black woman outside the entertainment world. Try that in 1982.

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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:12 PM
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40. space shuttles?
Hmm, well except that the Challenger blew up thanks to Reagan's stupid groupthink NASA administrators, leaving me to be less proud of NASA, which I was actually proud of until 1982. The destruction of Columbia didn't help me get over my embarrassment of NASA bureaucrats, either.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:14 PM
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43. So don't be proud of it then
whatever floats your boat. This is a big country and I'm entitled to my opinion - just like Mrs. Obama is entitled to hers.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:03 PM
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29. FUCK YOU, LYNYRD!!
*I* was born in 1982. :mad:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:06 PM
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32. Maybe we should be proud of supporting the Contras?
"My purpose was... to send a signal that the United States was prepared to replace the animosity between us with a new relationship... At the same time we undertook this initiative, we made clear that Iran must oppose all forms of international terrorism as a condition of progress in our relationship. The most significant step which Iran could take, we indicated, would be to use its influence in Lebanon to secure the release of all hostages held there." - Ronald Ray-gun

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:10 PM
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35. The passengers of Flight 93.
God knows how many more people would have been killed. They sacrificed their lives to save others. Don't forget all the rescue workers at ground zero.

I may be incorrect, but I believe the campaign to spare dolphins from tuna fishing nets was begun within the last 20 years. Because of animal activists, cosmetic companies are much less likely to use animals for testing products.

The phenomenal rise in organic/environmental-conscious consumer awareness.

Outpouring of generosity in terms of time and dollars to disaster-afflicted areas around the world.

Advances in diabetes treatment. Tireless crusade by medical science to find a cure for AIDS.

Those who continue to join the military and wear their uniform with pride, believing they can make a difference.

Sometimes it isn't "just one thing" that makes me proud, it's the ongoing effort to achieve a better life not just for Americans, but for others that share this planet. Most Americans are good at heart. I've always been proud of that.

The U.S. government? About the same as the government anywhere else. Not much to brag about.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:10 PM
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36. "America" doesn't do much of anything, her individual people do
Some of them have lots to be proud of. Michelle Obama is welcome to her opinion. I don't know why people
are leaping on her for it, except for political reasons.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:14 PM
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45. I think that's why they're jumping on her, melody.
People are taking it personally. That's why it's stirred up such controversy, particularly amongst those on the right, who believe America is the best country in the world, by gosh. Love is blind.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:52 PM
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67. political reasons?
that's a bad thing? Forgive me if I am mistaken, but I understand from some sources that her husband is running for President of something or other, and she was speaking on his behalf. If she is going to spray off the cuff and be his attack dog, then she'd better get some coaching quick. The microscope starts to focus in right about now. And you don't get many chances to change your image once people decide.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:00 PM
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70. Oh, I agree it was a misstep but most reasonable people would be forgiving were they not seizing it
... for political reasons.

And I said the same thing about people beating up Bill Clinton for the "fairy tale" remark.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:11 PM
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37. Innovation, leading the world economic explosion, etc.
I'm an Obama supporter, but I do think we had plenty to be proud of in the 1990's.

I think Clinton was a decent president (not great), but he was a much better global stateman. America's image in the world was great during his term. Also, we led the world in innovation which helped lead to explosive growth during that decade. I'm less proud of what we did (or didn't do) during the 90's regarding ecological sustainability. We should have signed Kyoto.
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:14 PM
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44. UH, CRACK COCAINE???!!!
AND ALAN KEYES?!!! WHAT ABOUT THE TRANSFORMERS MOVIES???
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:17 PM
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48. I completely stand by her quote - I haven't been *REALLY* proud in a long time either
That quote, in context, is perfect.

Of course from a political standpoint, it was a mistake, because its too easy to be taken out of context of snipped up.

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Moh96 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:19 PM
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51. Here is a list of things I am REALLY proud of
1- We Killed 100 times more Iraqis than Saddam ever did
2- Torture and abuse of POWs
3- Assassinations of people we do not like
4- Abu Ghraib
5- Guantanamo bay
6- The whole world hates us but who care we are better than them
7- US is ranked #37 in Health care right after Costa Rica (we need to work on that and beat these dam Costa Ricans)
8- French became a cuss word
and the list goes on and on

come on where is your Patriotism, we should be proud of what we accomplished

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:31 PM
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82. Here's my list of things I am REALLY proud of
1. My wife
2. My 3 year old son.
3.... (drawing complete blanks).

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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:21 PM
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53. Okay.
Here's just a couple of examples:

To Jimmy Carter and his attempts to bring peace in the ME through the Camp David Accords. Also credit Carter for the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT II).

To Bill Clinton for the Family and Medical Leave Act, major tax cuts and a budget SURPLUS, worked to bring peace to Northern Ireland, and really too many positives to post here unless you're looking for an encyclopedia.


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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:00 AM
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115. I totally forgot Northern Ireland -- that's a great one
And, I'm half Irish.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
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56. Hillary Clinton's speech to the entire Chinese leadership
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:25 PM by Tom Rinaldo
standing up for the rights of women world wide.

OK, I just threw that in to rib you (but it was something we in America should be proud of and America is playing a positive world role regarding the rights of women.)

The growth of the environmental movement has been strong inside America, even if our government hasn't always led.

Our societies decision to promote the rights of people with disabilities, with laws that require public buildings to be handicapped accessible for example. We are way ahead of most nations in that regard - with much still left to be done of course.

Lots of instances of disaster relief, not just after the Tsunami. And stuff other people have written above - like finally standing up against ethnic cleansing and rape camps in the old Yugoslavia.

P.S. I strongly stand behind Michelle Obama regarding this entire flap.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:26 PM
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58. xbox 360
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:26 PM
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60. The establishment of Democratic Underground
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:27 PM
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61. Where to begin?
- Liberating Grenada
- arming and training the future Taliban (and Bing himself)
- abandoning Afghanistan once the Soviets withdrew
- the 1984 Olympics; with no comp' we cleaned up
- invading Panama and liberating them of their thug, dictator
- sitting on the side lines while Rwanda happened
- punishing the Iraqi citizens for the uh, sins? of their leader
- letting 9/11 happen (I do think it was LIHOP... via utter incompetence)
- giving up on Afghanistan because it was dire to focus on Iraq
- fucking Iraq!
- Walter Reed
- Katrina
- in general, most of our foreign policy
- in general, how the government usually treats its people
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:27 PM
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62. Restoring Aristide to power in Haiti n/t
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:41 PM
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64. Are you fuckin' kidding?
We ended the Cold War and as a result spread democracy to eastern Europe, stopped genocide in Bosnia, Kosovo, Somalia (temporarily), Haiti, threw Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait (and we had the world with us, so don't give me this bullshit that it was an unjust war).

We provided humanitarian relief and medical supplies to dozens of countries affected by natural disaster, including Bangladesh, Honduras, Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, and Thailand. When a global disaster occurs in the world, France and Germany isn't called, it's the United States.

We provided hope for millions more, for an opportunity at a better way of life and a standard of living not possible in 90% of the world.

We provide more foreign aid to impoverished nations than any other country in the world. We lead the world in speaking out against human rights violations by China and of female mutilation throughout the world.

I'm proud to see the generosity of America when I volunteer at the local food pantry, or when I see neighbor helping neighbor when the power goes out, or a tornado rips through a town.

I was proud to be an American on 9/11, as I watched the heroic efforts of the NYFD and NYPD as they struggled to rescue ordinary citizens, and their own. I was proud to go to Afghanistan and do my part in bringing those vile motherfuckers that perpetrated that attack to their goddamn knees. You can legitimately question Iraq, but don't tell me Afghanistan wasn't warranted, because it was, and it still is.

I am proud to be an American, and although my country has faults, it is still, hands down, the greatest country in the history of this world.


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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:57 PM
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68. Nope, they aren't kidding, because the great Obama's wife is being impugned.
Rightly or wrongly, that must not stand.

As for your post: :thumbsup: :patriot:
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:04 PM
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72. I get the fact that there are a lot of people with...
self-loathing issues, and want to look at America as the bad guy in every situation.

That's bullshit. I'm not naive enough to think that America is holy and pure, because we know that's not true, either. Yeah, America has done some downright nefarious shit, and we're not perfect, as a people or as a nation. But we are still the standard bearer for the rest of the world.

But don't believe me. Go outside our borders, and meet people that live in abject hopelessness, who's country as been ripped apart by war, famine, disease. Their one goal?

To someday go to America, where they can be free to use their talents and abilities to make their own way in the world.

This fucking self-loathing and hate America all the time crowd is what got this party into the fucking mess it's currently in, and it's gotta stop.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:14 PM
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75. I learned all about what our government does from a well-traveled friend of mine
I don't close my eyes to the wrongs committed in our name, but I'm well aware of the blessings that arise from living in this country. There are blessings in other countries, as well, and I don't dispute that. They also have their negatives.

I'll never stop working to make things better in this country, and although I'll never be jingoistic, neither will I disparage America.

As the daughter of an Army "lifer" and his immigrant wife, I just can't fathom not being "really proud" for all of one's adult life. I just can't fathom it.
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:18 PM
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76. Thanks for that!
Very well said.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:21 PM
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78. You're welcome, and thanks again for your eloquent post. n/t
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:48 AM
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105. Bravo - great list (eom)
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 05:49 AM by leftynyc
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:58 PM
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90. Excellent post.
Also, on a larger scale, I would add that we live in a country that people risk their lives to get into, not out of. And THAT has certainly been on the rise in Michelle's adult life. Are they coming here because this is such a bad country? Hmmm.

Anyway, your list is the best post in this thread.

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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:09 PM
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96. Thanks, I appreciate it.
But yours was more eloquent in three sentences than mine was in four paragraphs.

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:48 PM
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66. that 70% of us saw through the BS impeachment of Bill and supported him at the time
This is not an "I support Hillary" post. It's not even and "I support Bill" post as I was pretty mad at him for what he did BUT the impeachment was over the top and Americans got it.

We also got that Schiavo what BS. Polls show most of us thought it was BS for congress to get involved.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:59 PM
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69. MTV...
Becuase they did more to bring down the Berlin Wall than anything Ronnie did...

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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:01 PM
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71. No more records by Lynyrd Skynyrd
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:07 PM
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73. Iran Contra!
they did get away with it after all.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:10 PM
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74. Viagra ???
:evilgrin:
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adabfree Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:18 PM
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77. lol
:rofl:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:23 PM
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79. No, she wasn't CLEARLY talking about process
and it's insulting to peoples intelligence to imply that she was.

That said, I understand the statement- and agree with it to some extent, but the fact is that it was impolitic.

Hopefully, she'll realize that she's inder the microscope and be a bit more cautious about off the cuff remarks in the future, because the far right echo chamber just eats that stuff up.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:24 PM
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80. Sorry, the context didn't help
Additionally, this angle will do nothing to redeem M.O. -- it was a bad comment, I don't think it can be "spun" in any positive sense.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:26 PM
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81. We had one president who turned a deficit into a surplus. But it didn't last long. The next
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 06:28 PM by Seabiscuit
president blew the surplus in less than a year.

Can't think of anything else.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:37 PM
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83. The election in 2006 that made Nancy Pelosi speaker but
beyond that the next thing would be Obama doing so well.
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Florida22ndDistrict Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:39 PM
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84. Why 1982?
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 06:59 PM by Florida22ndDistrict
I'm proud of the IMB 5150 PC, which was created in my hometown and released to the public on August 12, 1981. It was the first commonly know and commercially available PC.

In 1985 Windows was innovated by Microsoft. While many love to hate Windows (for good reason), it has helped the world to become far more productive.

While the person who created the Wold Wide Web was born in England, he lives in the USA now and has worked with many Americans to improve what he started across the pound.

In 1996 Google was created in America. I'm sure most of you use that enough to be somewhat proud of it.

In 1990 we launched the Hubble Space Telescope which has allow the human race to have a better understanding of the universe.

The International Space Station began in 1998. America provided an opportunity for Japan, Canada, Russia, and several European countries to conduct experiments in space by our side.

There are plenty of things America has done that help the world. Not all help has to come by way of shedding blood.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:08 PM
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95. You list some good ones
I would include in those technological achievements the work of Bruce Perens, Eric Raymond, Larry Wall and Richard Stallman to keep good software free and open. The Internet and software in general (free and proprietary) would not be where it is today without these people.

This is very much an international effort but a lot of people and organizations in the U.S. played a big part of that.

Oh yah, and Slashdot.org was created by Americans.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:05 PM
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92. Let's assume it's the RW spin machine at work.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 07:05 PM by Rockholm
I am so sick of the OBAMA people blaming Hillary for every fucking thing. Now, that's out of the way.

Get used to this. This is what Obama is going to get every second of every day.

Dumb comment taken obviously out of context. I can get what she was trying to say, but poorly said.

I am proud of our response to the victims of the 2004 tsunami.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:07 PM
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94. Botox.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:10 PM
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97. Hands Across America
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:27 PM
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98. Things I'm proud of....
1) The American people on 9/12
2) The people on Flight 93
3) The majority of the world on 9/12
4) humanitarian relief we do all over the world
5) Our part in ending the cold war, and most of what followed it
6) .. many more
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:31 PM
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99. "Three Men and a Baby."
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:30 AM
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109. My heart swelled too. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:40 PM
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101. Deleted sub-thread
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:49 PM
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103. Absolutely nothing
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:13 AM
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108. Reading down through this thread makes me even more aware that
America has a flawlessly beautiful history,,,if we leave out the ugly parts.
Too many Americans are just totally ignorant of what their country has really
been up to.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:22 AM
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111. My two children.....
...any arguements with that Mrs. Obama?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:54 AM
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113. FEMA under Clinton, Reno freeing Elian
I lived through two very destructive hurricanes in NC, and FEMA kicked ass. Reno pretty much ruined her chances of ever holding a Florida office, etc., by ordering the right thing done in the Elian case.

There's more, but that's enough for now.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:59 AM
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114. Scientific and technological advancement
particularly the Hubble telescope.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:13 AM
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116. Microsoft
:hide:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:28 AM
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117. I'm proud I didn't marry a dumbass like Michelle Obama.
Once again education is proved to have little connection to intelligence.
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:55 AM
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118. ENDING ETHNIC CLENSING IN KOSOVO!
Sheesh... Its not even hard..
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