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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:09 PM
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Hillary in New York -- "This campaign goes on!"

Hunter College auditorium in New York, Wednesday Feb. 20

HILLARY CLINTON hasn't stopped for breath since her bruising 17-point loss in Wisconsin. She has barely paused long enough to acknowledge the defeat, offering just a few words of congratulations to her opponent ("He's had a good couple of weeks") during a New York City speech Wednesday morning before asserting, "This campaign goes on!"

But make no mistake about it: Clinton's landslide loss in the Badger State, despite her campaign having devoted substantial time and resources there, is a tremendous blow. Nonetheless, Clinton has continued her now standard practice of nonchalantly downplaying (some might say ignoring) contests she loses. As the results streamed in Tuesday night, Clinton flew to her adopted home of Westchester County, N.Y., after leading a bizarre 9 p.m. rally at a high school in depressed Youngstown, Ohio, where a crowd of more than 1,000 cheered and whooped (and rushed a surrogate off the stage with a spontaneous "Hillary!" chant as he tried to finish his introductory remarks). All night, the traveling press corps was in an alternative reality of Clinton's design, one where Wisconsin's disappointing loss—and Barack Obama's surprising success with the white women and blue-collar voters who have previously supported Clinton in larger numbers—did not happen.

Typically, Clinton is wasting no time Wednesday dwelling on defeat. After arriving in New York at 1:30 this morning, she and the reporters traveling with her managed to get a few hours of rest before an 8:30 a.m. speech at Hunter College in Manhattan. The speech, which she previewed in Youngstown on Tuesday night, shows an increasing emphasis on populist rhetoric in the home stretch leading up to make-or-break March 4 primaries in Texas and Ohio, the latter a state where job loss in the manufacturing sector has crippled the economy.



Wednesday morning's speech was especially notable for the unusually harsh words Clinton directed at Obama. She has been on the attack in recent days--accusing her opponent of ducking a debate in Wisconsin, plagiarizing a speech and breaking a campaign pledge to take public financing should he become the Democratic nominee. On Wednesday, Clinton went even further in remarks that asked voters to compare her ample achievements with Obama's, which she implied were scant. She seemed to be ridiculing Obama when she cited a recent MSNBC interview in which one of his supporters flailed when asked to list the Illinois senator's legislative accomplishments. "My good friend Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones from Ohio represented me on one of the TV programs in the last day or two—some of you may have seen her. And she was on against someone representing my opponent, and for the first time, actually, the host asked the representative of my opponent to name one accomplishment. That is all we're asking for. We're asking to compare our records. We're asking to compare our years of service." Clinton didn't say so explicitly, but her tone of voice and inflections—along with the fact that the interview in question has become a YouTube embarrassment for the Obama camp—strongly implied that Obama's representative couldn't name any accomplishments because he has none of note.

Building on a new TV ad the campaign debuted in Ohio Tuesday called "Night Shift" (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/132.aspx) —in which Clinton works at her desk at night while the narrator says, "She understands. She's worked the night shift, too."—Clinton spoke at length in her Hunter speech about how she is better equipped to help the working class than Obama. In a strident tone increasingly reminiscent of John Edwards, Clinton is trying to appeal to Ohio voters by highlighting free trade's impact on blue-collar workers (Obama has been critical of Clinton's position on NAFTA in recent days). On Tuesday her campaign handed journalists a new policy outline detailing the problems she has with NAFTA and laying out how her trade agenda will make "trade work for working families." In Wednesday's speech, Clinton said she identifies with the working class and has spent her life trying to help "people who are trying to make it. I know who you are. You pour coffee in the corner restaurant, you fix people's hair, you ring up the cash register, you deliver the mail."



About 1,500 supporters attended the speech at Hunter's campus, though, tellingly, very few of them appeared to be of college age. Fellow New York legislators Sen. Chuck Schumer, Rep. Charles Rangel and Rep. Carolyn Maloney were there, along with close to a dozen New York state elected officials, including former New York City mayor David Dinkins. In his introductory remarks, Schumer acknowledged the grim situation Clinton now faces, having lost 10 consecutive contests. But he said he's not worried. "I have seen Hillary Clinton take a punch, but every time she gets right back up stronger than before," Schumer said. "So Ohio and Texas and Vermont and Rhode Island get ready because here she comes—Hillary Rodham Clinton, the next president of these great states!"

After the Hunter speech, which doubled as a "low dollar" fund-raiser (supporters had to donate $50 or more to get in), Clinton was slated to spend a few hours in New York tapping more connections for money at two fund-raising events. Later on Wednesday, the campaign jets off to south Texas, where Clinton will hold rallies in Hidalgo and Brownsville, both strongholds for the Latino voters she is counting on to win the state for her. In Hidalgo, Clinton will be joined by Rep. Ruben Hinojosa while in Brownsville Rep. Solomon Ortiz will do the honors. After the Brownsville rally at 8:45 Wednesday night, Clinton will fly to Laredo, where she will hold a rally Thursday before heading to Austin for what could be the most important debate of her life. There's little sleep on the Clinton bus, where every day takes the candidate one step closer to March 4, a contest that increasingly looks like a battle for Hillary Clinton's political life.


from The Swamp: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/hillary_clinton_lets_get_real.html



Speaking in the auditorium of Hunter College on the Upper East Side . . .

“It is time to get real, to get real about how we actually win this election and get real about the challenges facing America. It’s time that we moved from good words to good works, from sound bites to sound solutions,” she said.

“Americans have a choice to make in this election and that choice matters. It’s about picking a president who relies not just on words but on work, hard work, to get America back to work,” she said. “We need to make a choice between speeches and solutions, because, while words matter greatly, the best words in the world aren’t enough unless you match them with action.”

“That is all we’re asking for,” she said. “We’re asking to compare our records. We’re asking to compare our years of service. We’re asking to compare our ideas, our solutions.”

“This campaign is not about a campaign. This campaign is not about a personality. This campaign is about hundreds of millions of Americans who are yearning for leadership gain, people who, across this country, do the hard work that makes America work,” she said.

“Now others might be joining a movement,” she said. “Well, I’m joining you on the night shift and on the day shift. I’m asking you to join me to shift America into high gear again.”

Taking a shot at Obama’s campaign rhetoric as based on hopes and dreams, Clinton contended “the results that I’ve been producing for the past 35 years are rooted in my dreams for a better future.”

“We all carry dreams in our hearts. And we need to keep dreaming. Dreaming keeps us hopeful. It lifts our spirits. It sets our sights high. Without dream, we cannot aspire to be great. But without action, we cannot turn those dreams into reality,” she said.

Addressing the ardor of Obama and Clinton supporters and the need to eventually unite on a presidential nominee, she also took a shot at her rival for voting “present” on measures during his tenure in the Illinois state Senate and criticized him for meeting with officials of Chicago-based nuclear generator Exelon Corp. over legislation to better inform residents about releases of contaminated water at nuclear plants.

“We won’t achieve unity or fulfill our dreams by running away from honest discussion and debate,” she said.

“You cannot achieve the kind of changes we want by voting present on controversial issues or meet behind closed doors with corporate interests to water down legislation or by caving in when the pressure mounts,” she said of Obama. “The American people deserve better than that. So, yes, let’s get real. Let’s get real about this election. Let’s get real about our future. Let’s get real about what it is we can do together.”


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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:10 PM
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1. Why?
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM by yourguide
Why is she in NY when she SHOULD be campaigning in OH and TX? Even popping by RI & Vermont?

Mark Penn and Co should have her in OH and TX for the next 2 weeks without leaving the state.

Is it because she's broke and NY is the only place she can raise money?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:12 PM
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3. not broke
Sen. Hillary Clinton raised $15 million in the first 15 days of this month for her presidential campaign, her campaign said Tuesday, more than in all of January.

Howard Wolfson, a top campaign adviser, said the New York senator raised about $1 million a day during the first half of this month. Clinton raised about $13 million in January and loaned her campaign an additional $5 million. January finance figures are to be submitted to the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday.

"The extraordinary grassroots response to the news of Senator Clinton's loan has really been an important moment in this campaign," Wolfson said today in a conference call with reporters.

http://www.rep-am.com/articles/2008/02/20/news/elections/319268.txt
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:14 PM
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11. ...and Obama raised 36 million in one month.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #11
52. and is going to do it again this month.
Think of that - $36M to focus on OH and TX. Amazing. He's already running ads big-time in Ohio.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:15 PM
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15. But cleared ten million after paying back the loan.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. Or, one-third of Obama's fundraising. That is to say, broke.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #19
35. right, because it's all about the money.
She has enough to stay competitive, and more on the way.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. and Obama likely has twice whatver she raises. So long Hillary!
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #35
44. She needs lots and lots of money
to compete with Obama in the huge mass market cities of Texas and Ohio.
That is why she is in New York. She does not have as much as she needs.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #35
48. When you have to win the next few states by 65%, having 1/3 your opponent's funding is bad.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:27 PM by Occam Bandage
These are mass-media states. Clinton doesn't have the cash she needs; that's why she's in NY fundraising.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #15
30. that was in January, The $15 mil is free from that.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. The loan was in January; the payback was in February.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #36
49. Actually, it has been reported
in the LA Times that she has not been paid back.
Right now she needs every dime she can get her hands on to compete
over the next two weeks. Who knows she may have to lend herself even more.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. Hmmm, I thought I saw quotes from Wolfson saying she had been paid back.
Maybe they were just trying to pretend they were more broke than they are.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #36
68. she had raised $13.5 million in January.
And, within three days after the Super Tuesday primaries Clinton had paid herself back. So, she's still far from broke.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Ohio and Texas are two weeks away
She had a little dead time right now. A half a day isn't going to kill her.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #4
20. Man, with her this in danger of losing everything
I would loop between TX and Ohio for the next two weeks straight.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. Just think about it for a second...
Everybody knows Hillary has her back against the wall. But you can't work non-stop for two weeks, shuttling between two states endlessly. Your body and mind just can't handle it. Let's not hold it against Hillary for getting some down time, a presidential campaign takes a toll on you.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #29
74. she did a rally
this is not down time, this is a fundraiser.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #20
43. She had to go to NY - and it wasn't about money think and then look below
she had to stop the Super Delegates from jumping ship look who was in the room.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #43
71. Nice catch grant!
That too!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #71
97. Yeah, he's just brilliant.
:eyes:
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. So why dont you tell me then...
what she's doing in NY when she should be in either TX or OH fighting for the nomination she is very close to losing?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. A $50/head fundraiser in NY? Ouch.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. no wonder there weren't college students! also how many working class??? nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #9
27. People Power!
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:21 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #9
73. Floor seats were $250
and other seats were $50/$100

At one time I was supportive of both candidates and am on her email list. I got an invite to the event. That event was originally scheduled the afternoon the "we will go after pledged delegates" story broke.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #73
94. interesting ..
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #1
54. Fundraising. She lost Wisconsin when she headed straight to Texas last Tuesday where
she had a rally and also a $1,000-a-plate fundraiser. She ignored her supposed base of blue-collar workers in Wisconsin, who apparently spend considerably less than $1,000 for a meal.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:12 PM
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2. She should cool that anger.
It does not become her.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. I think it's hot
fired up!!
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. PLAGARIST!!!
YOU'LL NEVER BE THE PRESIDENT NOW, BIGTREE!!!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. I had a dream . . .
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. When Howard Wolfson shows up at your house
... and literally kicks the shit out of you, you're not going to think it's so funny.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #8
42. It is not what the voters want this time.
She has high negatives already. It does not play well. She polls better when
she is softer.

All she knows how to do when things get it hard is fight and attack.
She is in grief right now in the anger and denial parts anyway.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #42
69. I like it
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. That's because it gives you hope. n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. Stand and fight, or give in
any other choice is a waste of time.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #80
92. Walk away to fight another day.
That is not a bad one either.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM
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5. Obviously she is going on, she has worked the night shift before. lol
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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
37. lol!!
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM
Original message
snore
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM
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6. Yes indeed it does! I am especially looking forward to the debate
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:15 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:13 PM
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7. ...

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #7
18. !
:spray:
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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #7
23. Baghdad Hillary!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
She definitely looks completely UNHINGED!!!! This is too funny...I am definitely enjoying her desperation...A picture is worth a thousand words!! :)
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #23
50. I'm guessing you'll make 100, maybe 150.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #7
25. that's just jackass stupid
typical
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #25
46. Lighten up.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #46
72. we've been here before
I don't need to be heavy to automatically reject this type of politics.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #7
51. re-read the article - can you see why she went there it is mind blowing nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #51
56. Yeah, because Obama's tripling her fundraising and she needs cash to compete in TX and OH.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. no its not money give up?
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:36 PM by grantcart
She had to go back and baby sit the super delegates. She had to get them in front of the cameras with her again. The defections from New Jersey must have been creating rumors of NY defections and she had to go and hold their hands - she even wasted time going to their individual districts. I am astonished
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #7
57. Baghdad Hillarity!!
:rofl:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #7
67. That's disgusting
Well, yet ANOTHER asshole on my ignore list.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. Same here.
Isn't it ironic that on a Pro-Hillary thread I see TONS of "ignored" posts?
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #70
98. I would feel bad if I thought any Hillary supporters had me on ignore.
I have always made blistering attacks against the DLC, and against Penn and Wolfson for driving the campaign over a cliff while picking Sen. Clinton's pockets, but I don't make ad hominem attacks against the Senator herself, i consider them to be unseemly.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #98
101. You cool in my book.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. back atcha, ronnyk.
:)
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #7
89. "We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels"
- We have driven them back.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:14 PM
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10. The money is going to run dry
I think that may be the only thing that stops her campaign.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:14 PM
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12. We've recaptured the airport!
It'll all be over soon!
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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #12
31. LOL!! Finally she is UNHINGED!!!!!!!!
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:14 PM
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13. What is she doing in New York? She already WON that state..?
Seriously - i'm not trying to be a jerk - but why speak to people who have already voted for you (ironically she didn't even thank or acknowledge those who voted for her in Wisconsin last night)..?

Why isn't she doing this in OH or TX where she needs to drum up support and keep her lead?
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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:22 PM
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34. SHE IS IN NY TO DROP OUT OF THE RACE
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. Now Now.. no need to get me all excited if you can't provide a legit link! ;)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:15 PM
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14. The last photo of Hillary is quite lovely.
She has the most piercing blue eyes and they show nicely in this pic.

Thanks for posting this, I didn't know that she was here today.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:39 PM
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65. You do know that she wears tinted contacts.
Her eyes are apparently really hazel adjusted to blue.

"Hillary Clinton also has blue eyes (well, tinted blue contacts to enhance naturally hazel eyes)"


http://blackwhiteread.blogspot.com/2007/10/eyes-have-it.html
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:56 PM
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77. You're wrong!!!!!
I volunteered for her campaign in NJ and have seen Hillary more than once. I have been next to her and can tell you that she has beautiful blue eyes with long eyelashes that rarely show in photos. She also has a wonderful smile and a great sense of humor.

Isn't there anything one can comment on Hillary that one of you Obama fans don't feel compelled to piss on??????


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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:15 PM
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17. Can't she be positive? It's obvious these negative attacks have hurt her.
Penn and Wolfson are idiots. She should've fired them long ago.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:17 PM
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21. I almost feel sorry for her. Almost.
Get ready for a big loss in my dinky state, Hill. You won't 35% here. And we may be dinky but we are arguably the most progressive state in the country.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:55 PM
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75. Yeah, but isn't Vermont in Hillary's back yard?
Or is Vermont not going to count??
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:01 PM
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82. Obviously it won't count.
It's full of "activists".
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:17 PM
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22. And on and on and on ... Hillary needs to hang it up. n/t
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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:19 PM
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26. LMAO!! I can't stop laughing
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:22 PM
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33. "She understands. She's worked the night shift, too." - Give me a break.
Hillary has never had to worry about whether or not she could pay her bills and feed her family; she doesn't have a clue what it's like to work the night shift to survive.

I find that line quite condescending.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
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40. Working at the Wal-Mart corporate offices is tough work.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:26 PM
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45. Remember in Iowa, she was in somebody's home and said "I remember
when I was starting out as a lawyer, looking at all the women in the office who had to leave early to go pick their children up and wondered how they did it." <paraphrased> It was truly a disconnect.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:28 PM
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53. This is something about Hillary that has always bothered me.
Irregardless of this campaign and Obama. I've always felt as if she tries to connect with those of us who struggle and work hard but she can't; she comes across as a phony when she tries to be compassionate. I know I'll get flamed for saying so but it's how I feel.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:02 PM
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84. It's because you assume you're better than she is.
You know next to nothing about her, or her life history . . . except for the tripe you've absorbed from the critics of Hillary that you indulge yourself with.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:55 PM
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95. Evidently millions of people don't "connect" with Hillary. I know I've never "felt" a smidgen of
empathy from her or for her. There is just nothing there, for me and millions like me. Some people just don't have "it". She doesn't.

Else she would not be enduring loss after loss after loss.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:18 PM
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96. I know she was never homeless with three children.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 07:19 PM by sparosnare
Don't tell me I've absorbed tripe from critics; Hillary Clinton couldn't possibly relate to my life and it's apparent when she forces herself to 'feel' it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:39 AM
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110. I've never been 'homeless with three children' Does that make Obama (and you) better than me?
It's convenient for critics to ignore the facets of her life which are similar to Obama's commitment to public service. It makes no sense at all to measure them by the degree of hardship they suffered in their youth.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:26 PM
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47. Sadly I think Bill's worked the "night shift" far more then Hillary ever has or will.. NT
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:56 PM
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78. I think you've forgotten that she was once 20, like Obama was when he did different work . . .
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:57 PM by bigtree
. . . and held many different jobs, for money and in public service.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:23 PM
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41. She looks great. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:30 PM
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58. "This campaign goes on!" ... and will "crash and burn" like a slow train wreck.
;)
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:31 PM
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59. So does my sinus infection
It's just about as appealing, too
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:33 PM
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61. What happened to that voice she found in New Hampshire? She lose it again? Maybe it's in Puerto Rico
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:33 PM
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62. Go Hillary! Hope for the economy and health care reform!
The stakes are too high and the problems to great to trust to another inexperienced leader.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:34 PM
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63. So minus her years as wife to a governor + president, how does she have more experience than Obama?
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Moh96 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:35 PM
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64. and she will not stop even if she looses by that margin in TX and OH
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:41 PM
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66. Nope, as long as her campaign has $$ she'll continue on
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 05:42 PM by Debi
Who gives a damn about the Party - this is all about Hillary.

On edit

(and some about Bill...:eyes:)
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:57 PM
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79. This will make a primary challenge for her Senate seat that much easier.
Keep it up, Hillary, go all the way.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:59 PM
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81. The Democrat's Huckabee
they both expect a miracle from above?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:01 PM
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83. thanks for posting this, bigtree
even though the usual obama assholes hijacked it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:08 PM
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86. I can't understand why folks who claim to be so assured of their victory
are so obsessed with stopping the race before Ohio and Texas?

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:51 PM
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93. Because we'd rather not see a Democrat parroting McCain's attacks against the nominee?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:22 PM
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104. they both fall back into their Senate rhetoric
but, why pretend Obama isn't stroking republicans? :shrug:
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:03 PM
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85. Rock On
Ms. Clinton!!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:11 PM
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87. Hillary is morphing into Huckabee right in front of our eyes!
The math ain't there for her, unless she gets her "delegates" from Florida and Michigan, plus a good chunk of the superdelegates. Of course, if such a scenario were to play itself out, it would rival the 1968 Democratic Convention when it comes to bad blood.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:12 PM
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88. when did we start choosing our nominees based on polls?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:21 PM
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90. Hillary will have to get 65% of the delegates in TX, OH, and PA, just to catch up
on the pledged delegate count. Those are the numbers. As long as Obama gets above 40%, he will get delegates.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:22 PM
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91. alrighty then . . .
let's vote!
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:24 PM
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99. Yikes
This photo doesn't help her cause, at all.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:19 PM
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103. many folks that I live with and work with look much like Hillary at 60
shallow stuff
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:50 PM
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106. Okay, maybe it is just me...
...but that image of Hillary Clinton, under duress in a failed campaign, ignoring the advice of experts around her and pushing on with her cause despite the mounting evidence of defeat, well...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:35 AM
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109. sounds like the fighter she is
like the fighter we need
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:38 PM
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105. I like that photo.
Whaddaya want her to do, dress like Madonna and be a rock star for votes?
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:52 PM
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107. No, my friend, I am not talking about how she is dressed
and I think she looks great for a lady of sixty.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:01 PM
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108. Well, "Yikes!" is not very complimentary.
You're bothered because why? Do you think she looks angry, or determined, or what? How does the way she is depicted in her photo not "help her cause"?

I don't get it. She looks strong to me.

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