Obama supporters: Do you want Hillary supporters on your side?

[ruggerson]

Do you want Hillary supporters to vote for Obama, if he wins the nomination, which looks increasingly likely?

Because a good majority (and no it's not just a rabid few) of you act like you think Obama can pull off the general election without the half of the party that supports Hillary.

When Hillary won primaries and/or caucuses, there were a great number of us here who went out of our way to encourage you guys personally, buck you up, and to let you know we thought you had a great candidate.

I realize that most people don't make their minds up based on the civility of a candidate's supporters on an internet message board, but I'm also starting to see this phenomenon in real life. I had two people just today, at work, tell me they're not going to vote at all this fall, both lifelong Democrats. A sentiment that actually surprised me.

I'm going to vote for the nominee come hell or high water. I want to see a President Obama, not a President (god help us) McCain.

But, it might be wise, for those Hillary supporters planning to vote for Obama should he be our nominee, if you helped make their decision seem like the right one.

I know that calls for rational behavior on DU are like tossing twigs into a large, muddy lake. But what the hell, I get three posts today, so might as well have one of them a plea for an already lost cause.

[Kahuna]

1. Crickets,

[ruggerson]

2. sad, ain't it

[Kahuna]

22. Umm. I an Obama supporter. And..

I'm still thinking about it. :silly:

[Tennessee Gal]

61. If you have to think about it, you really don't.

[libbygurl]

78. Yep, same answer the wonderful Michelle O gave to 'would you be willing to support HRC as the nom.?'

nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

109. What's so "wonderful" about Michelle Obama? Really, I don't get that.

:shrug:

[question everything]

112. Don't you know? She is not Hillary an almost an Oprah (nt)

[libbygurl]

116. I ask myself that same question, too.

I do not like her at all - so full of herself. I should've put 'wonderful' in quotes, methinks.
And I agree with the other answer to your question!

[rug]

5. I'm sure they're busy manning phone banks giving hope to the populace.

[LisaM]

10. Ha ha ha ha ha

Best laugh I've had all day. Thank you, rug, whoever you are. Are you always funny?

[mikekohr]

3. Yes

We need to solidify the base, attract independants and peel away that thin sliver of the elctorate that is reasonable Republicans. That is what wins the White House. Our inability to accomplish this is the reason we have lost 7 of the last 10 presidential races.

mike kohr

[libbygurl]

4. They don't need anyone else, see. No one else besides them matters, not their votes or opinions.

So much for the 'unity' message.

[calico1]

7. What I have learned from some here is that

they will win without "old" people which in some cases can mean anyone over 40, without Any Clinton supporters and without the Latino vote. So that should be interesting...:eyes:

[rodeodance]

67. egoheads for the most part.

[LostinVA]

91. Or gays or paleofeminists

[Danger Mouse]

9. I don't feel that way at all.

Not every Obama supporter feels that way.

[libbygurl]

77. Glad to hear that from you, but your opinion hardly gets heard here amid the...

...more vitriolic, obnoxious, self-appointed spokespeople and supporters for O. I dislike these posters with a vengeance, and the condescending and gloating attitude being displayed at present towards Hillary and her supporters on DU sure makes me want to go over and support O with all my heart and soul and dime! Oh, yes, that is really working for me!

[mindfulNJ]

79. I've seen vitriol on both sides...

haven't you, in all honesty? We need to get past all that.

I will vote, and work for, the election of the Democratic candidate.

[libbygurl]

83. Can't get past the overwhelmingly anti-Clinton Obama Underground atmosphere...

...these days. No, thanks. And I have long had grave doubts about O's authenticity, to start with, as a real Dem.

[miceelf]

86. You really haven't noticed the nasty anti-obama stuff?

Huh.

Good on your for being gracious when Clinton was wining, but you were a minority among Clinton supporters here. Hell, at the top of the page just now is some Clinton supporter gloating about the flack Michelle Obama took for her comment.

Of course Obama needs Dems to win. I don't think any serious person would say any different. But the nominee will need several sets of people to win- dems, independents, older folks, younger folks, and yes, African Americans. The Clinton operatives who write off the African american vote are no better than the Obama folks who write off registered Dems, IMHO.

[Danger Mouse]

6. I'd hope that Hillary supporters would be willing to vote for Obama.

I'm sure that you'd feel the same way about my vote.
However, I think both sides need to think about the way they behave when supporting their candidate. Eventually, we have to think about mending bridges, and when you act really nasty snarky and spiteful all the time it makes the rift bigger.
I hope that in general we can mend fences without lasting hard feelings.

[rodeodance]

53. You obviously have not gotten around this board much if you believe that.

I'd hope that Hillary supporters would be willing to vote for Obama.

[Danger Mouse]

60. I have, and I've seen equally ugly behavior on both sides.

BOTH.
By the logic of the OP, do Hillary supporters want Obama supporters to vote for her?

[rodeodance]

65. I was referring specifically to the op-----his supporters have

turned off many.

some say they will stay home. don't diss me. i am just the messenger.

And i think----since we are outnumbered the dissing is more from the obamcamp---its anything clinton related.

[Danger Mouse]

69. i'm not dissing you at all.

and you're right...as i said to TNgal downthread, i don't blame her for feeling unsure about Obama after encountering nastiness from Obama supporters.
i also agree that the number of obama supporters seems to be larger than the number of hillary supporters...
however, the most obnoxious and horrible posters for both camps seem to be about equal in number.
of course, that's just how it seems to me.
i know some of the horrible posts i've read from a few hillary supporters has caused me to feel more uncomfortable with supporting hillary in GE.

[Tyler Durden]

117. And the complete disrespect for groups offended by Obama Supporters...

Gays, Baby Boomers, Long Term Party members...

Has left a truly nasty taste in the mouth. Except for the GLBT community (who I believe have a perfect right to say so), I have seen very few Clinton Supporters who have said they will not support Obama in the GE.

On the other hand, I've heard "Republican Lite," "DLCer," "Billary,"...

I don't disrespect you EH, but by my estimate, at the start of today it was 60/40 negative, Obama/Clinton.

After some of the nasty bullshit I've seen today, I'd say it was approaching 70/30.

Sorry. I don't want to lose in November either, but if it keeps up like this, we won't win.

[BlackVelvet04]

80. .........

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Good luck on that eventually thing.

[writes3000]

8. C'mon. This is such a manipulative post.

Of COURSE, most Dems want voters to unite behind the candidate - Obama or Clinton. As as an Obama supporter, I want Dems to get behind him. If Hillary is the nominee, she has my vote. But I can't force anyone else to do anything.

There are more than a few Obama supporters on DU who don't taunt Hill people. But you act as if we don't exist. So now we're supposed to beg you for support even though you're positioning this like we're all horrible. That's why there are crickets.

[Guava Jelly]

11. Thank you!

:applause:

[ruggerson]

14. wrong

No one wants to be begged for their support. But they don't want their candidate trashed, their support of her maligned and their participation in the process angrily dismissed. The majority of you, unfortunately, don't seem to get it.

"more than a few" doesn't cut it.

[earthlover]

36. I hear you. And, for what it is worth, I agree with you.

I have been deeply disappointed in the lack of civility during this campaign.

It would be stupid for Obama supporters to kick Hillary supporters when they are down. At the same time, I have to admit that the Hillary camp has at times been so brazenly arrogant that it is really difficult NOT to want to shove defeat down their arses. Alas, we have to think loftier thoughts.

I have to keep in mind that probably all of us say things on the internet that they would never say in person. Most of us are probably very civil in "real life". Democrats, I believe, are by and large more civil than their counterparts from the other side of the aisle.

I now support Obama, but he was far from my first choice. I will say this too....it was in part DU Hillary fanatics who made it impossible to side with her. It just made me want to puke. I hope Obama supporters will learn that they don't attract followers by being pompous...even if they feel they deserve to be so.

So peace out everyone. It will be fun running against McCain.

[Arkana]

40. Hmmm...and do you think that trashing us

and calling us "fools" and "cultists" and telling us basically that we support nothing but empty rhetoric is going to win Obama's supporters to your side?

It goes both ways--remember that.

[ruggerson]

45. I haven't

called any of you cultists, nor have I used the cult meme. And there are a lot of Hillary supporters like me.

[Arkana]

48. The trouble is that the ones who are not are the loudest.

To be fair, the same could be said of the Obama people here--the majority of us don't gloat or grandstand, but the few who do are very loud and obnoxious about it.

[Bake]

97. Begged? No. But if somebody wants my vote, they have to ASK FOR IT.

Bake

[eissa]

12. Of course

Now I haven't been on here in a really long time (and I'm beginning to remember why.) Whenever the local democrats gather to watch the returns at our headquarters, we are one big happy family. Hillary supporters, Obama supporters -- no quarrels whatsoever. Same with co-workers, friends, etc. I only noticed this divisive, hateful rhetoric here. And I'm really saddened by it; that a true democrat would refrain from voting for the eventual nominee because it wasn't "their" candidate is ludicrous. ESPECIALLY considering what we have been through during these past 8 years, and what's at stake.

[LisaM]

16. You weren't at my caucus then - where the first two Obama people

just stood up and said we can't nominate Hillary because all their relatives hate her. I'm not saying YOU would act that way, and there are plenty of nice people here, but my caucus was a flat out miserable experience for a Hillary supporter.

[Danger Mouse]

21. i'm sorry to hear that this was your experience.

and i'm sorry that there are people who are that immature and petty.
i could understand why that would make you reluctant to support obama when it's all said and done.
it's also disheartening for me when i come here and am called a kool aid drinker drinker, cultist, 'obamababy' (this one i find particularly insulting because it feels like a smear against young voters like myself), I-pod kid, and whatever.
However...this is just the crap we dish out on each other.
I really hope that when the nomination is decided we can heal the wounds we have given each other.
I haven't been innocent, none of us have...
it just saddens me that we came to this.

[JuniperLea]

13. Thank you!

Very well said.

:applause:

[NanBo]

15. I definitely do

But please understand, there have been a lot of posts by Clinton supporters criticizing us Obama supporters for our call for unity. Usually they have the puke icon along with it and tell us they won't be drinking our kool aid etc. So if we say we'd love having you, you puke on us, if we don't respond, you say crickets. Most of us that want unity are waiting till the chips fall and we are all in this together again.

I will be voting for Clinton if it goes that way--I just much prefer Obama.

[hfojvt]

17. I don't expect to have to persuade Hillary supporters to support Obama

I am counting on John McCain to do that for me. But absolutely, I'd like to see 97.3% of registered voters vote against rightwing Republicans.

[ruggerson]

19. Simply standing up to the more obnoxious

amongst us would do wonders. I don't expect you to have to persuade anyone either. And I think you are amongst the most equitable and evenhanded here.

[zulchzulu]

18. Absolutely

I would even venture to say that Obama and Clinton supporters basically agree on 97% of the issues...it's a matter of whether Clinton supporters are finally turned off by the Clintonian triangulation and negative attacks, which will be increasing more as March 4 comes close.

I want a Democratic president at the Inauguration on January 20, 2009. In my view, Obama should be the one sworn in.

Then we make sure that things REALLY get done.

[Spider Jerusalem]

20. You know...I'm seeing a lot of vitriol from BOTH SIDES here.

Childish name-calling, broad-brush statements about 'Candidate X supporters' (as though those people were speaking with one voice, which is just absurd when you're talking about the statements of SOME individuals), and generally mindless, almost tribal behaviour. A sort of 'us against them' mindset. Perhaps the best thing would be for supporters of both candidates to admit that either would make a far better President than John McCain, regardless of which they currently support; to pledge to stop with the schoolyard whining and name-calling, and try (if they know how) to engage in substantiative discussion, and to realise that those supporters of the other candidate have their own reasons for that support which are just as valid. Rather than trying to tear one another down through juvenile pettiness.

And posts like yours, unfortunately, are not generally helpful, because they're indicative of the 'us vs them' mindset, and make 'Obama supporters' out to be a monolithic group; you're only helping to exacerbate the divisions with things like this. In the end, either you'll support the Democratic candidate, whomever that may be, or you won't. If you won't, I hope you think President McCain was worth it.

[Danger Mouse]

24. The problem is, i think the most vicious and immature posters...

either don't know how, or choose not to.

[Recursion]

23. This is remotely a question?

Yes

[NOLALady]

25. The alternative will be a McCain president.

I will vote for the nominee, Obama or Hillary.

If Obama is the nominee, I would hope that the HRC supporters would help us stop another Republican administration.

[AZBlue]

26. So we should be as civil and open-minded as you?

Is that what you're saying?

As for me, I hope EVERYONE votes for Obama in the GE, no matter who they are supporting today.

[ruggerson]

33. Well

I wouldn't necessarily use me as the pillar of decency - I've laid into some Hillary bashers in defense. But I've also defended Obama a number of times from unfair attacks. And were Hillary winning, I can tell you quite honestly that my first instincts would be to try to make Obama supporters feel included and better about the whole process.

[hfojvt]

54. some of this may be that the "game" is still too close

Obama is winning, perhaps, but it is still very close delegate-wise. If Hillary wins Texas and Ohio, then she would have the momentum and maybe even a delegate lead. The candidate, and most of her supporters, are promising to fight on and saying they can, and will win. She's still a formidable opponent and it's still a close race.

[Tennessee Gal]

27. Sorry.

I have not seen a lot of evidence that Obama supporters want Clinton supporters on board.

I have seen a lot of Bill Clinton bashing - not just the man, but his presidency. I had enough of that for years and years. I fought it from the right wing. I never thought I would see it here.

I have seen a lot of Joe Wilson bashing.

And, of course, I have seen a lot of Hillary bashing.

I do not believe in bashing those who we have had to previously defend from right wing nut attacks.

[earthlover]

49. Well I agree, sort-of...

the problem I have is that it was the Hillary campaign that started the mud slinging in this campaign, and has been eons more negative than obama.

Now there have been some negative obama posters on DU, but if you compare the campaigns, Hillary's is much more negative and divisive. Obama's campaign did not circulate rumors that Hillary was a Muslim.

I personally beleive this is a HUGE reason Hillary is losing. The negative campaigning started a couple of weeks or so before iowa. I believe it backfired.

Hillary won nh in large part because people thought she was being hacked...

SC was decisive, in large part because the hillary team's race baiting backfired, and the AA vote has been significant ever since. There was a time when Hillary owned the AA vote in SC.

I think we can see this in WI too. Exit polls showed that 54% of WI voters thought Hillary was too negative. I lived 5-6 years in MN, a neighboring state to Iowa and WI. People there HATe negative campaigning. ANd these are people who don't really like to show their emotions very much....Prairie Home Companion speaks of Lake Wobegon....I lived in Lake Wobegon.....and people just don't like negative campaigning there.

I found it very puzzling why the Hillary campaign, who was ahead at the time, was engaging in negative campaigning. From a classical viewpoint, negative campaigning is usually the tactic of a challenger. Yet Hillary was ahead and acting like a challenger.

I think she got some really bad advice from flunky experts.

[Tennessee Gal]

56. Do you have evidence that the Hillary campaign

floated the rumor that Obama was Muslim?

I have never seen such evidence. In fact, I have fought against that rumor with fact check links.

[earthlover]

64. You asked for it....

Well, there is this, about the Hillary Camp spreading the meme about Obama and the muslim Madressa education....

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm


Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/

It seems that Hillary surrogate Senator Bob Kerrey brought out that Obama had MUSLIM ANSCESTORS (gasp!).


"It's probably not something that appeals to him, but I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim," Kerrey, who made a failed bid for the Democratic presidential nomination won by Bill Clinton in 1992, told The Washington Post.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004077664_obama17.html

A volunteer Iowa county coordinator for Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign has resigned after forwarding a chain e-mail that suggests Barack Obama is a Muslim who wants to destroy the United States by being elected to its highest office

[bpeale]

89. excuses excuses!

<<the problem I have is that it was the Hillary campaign that started the mud slinging in this campaign, and has been eons more negative than obama.>>

that does not mean that you can't stop YOUR PORTION (after all thats all you have control of) of the vitriol on this board against your opposing candidate.

STOP ACTING LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN FOLKS! REMEMBER, YOU'RE ADULTS (or you're supposed to be)! (if you can)

[thevoiceofreason]

28. Absolutely

Hillary supporters are great, and they are great democrats. I wish there was something I and like minded Obama fans could do to assure you that we want and need you in the campaign to run the thuggies out of Washington (regardless of our candidate).

Peace

[TexasObserver]

29. Yes, I do want them in the party and voting for Obama.

But it's like a battle, and you almost have to wait until there's a cease fire before the peace can be made. I believe the end of the fight is near, which means there will have to be a period of truce and peace making which follows.

Vitriol begats vitriol, and I have done my share of it. I'm going to try to avoid that now, because after last night and the harbinger of the new demo splits in Wisconsins, I see the end coming. No point in making the breach wider. It will either be over March 4th, or it won't. I think I'll try to keep my powder dry and see what happens.

I'll still say YEA FOR MY SIDE!! But I'll try to avoid getting provoked into unnecessary retorts.

[Tennessee Gal]

31. See post 27.

[2008]

30. Yes. And as an Obama supporter I intend to...

...support Hillary if she gets the nomination.

It's not a lost cause. Some people just need to simmer down. Simma dah nah

[Tennessee Gal]

32. Simmer down?

After Obama supporters have bashed Joe Wilson, the Clinton presidency, and Hillary's political involvements over the years?

Tell us how to do that.

I always thought I had to fight Republican right wing haters. I never, ever thought I would have to fight here.

[Danger Mouse]

34. But some hillary supporters have bashed...

keith olbermann, ted kennedy, and john kerry, among others.
see? it goes both ways.

[Tennessee Gal]

38. Not me.

IMO Democrats should stand up for Democrats.

When I see any of them bashed, I either keep my mouth shut or stand up for them.

I haven't bashed Obama. I have asked questions or expressed doubts. There is a difference.

And let me remind you that Bill Clinton served this nation well as the DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT for eight years. Also, Joe and Valerie Plame Wilson sacrificed a lot against the traitorous Bush and Cheney.

[Danger Mouse]

43. Okay. I'm just pointing out that some of the people on your side...

have dissed important icons for the Dems.
Just like some of the people on my side have done the same.
In either case, it's inexusable. (As I recall, one colorful poster referred to kennedy as a 'fat turd.')
I didn't say you bashed any of these people.
Nor have I.
I think it's just both our sides have to acknowledge the warts we have on our sides...

[Tennessee Gal]

58. I have not seen such posts.

If I had, I would have called them down.

The point is that none of us should be attacking other Democrats. I know for a fact that Obama supporters have attacked the Clinton presidency in ways that I spent years on web sites fighting against Republicans.

I would never attack a Democrat in any way that would give a Republican ammunition against any Democrat.

But I have seen Obama supporters do that here.

[Danger Mouse]

62. That's to their shame, then.

[bpeale]

92. and what does this have to do with obama supporters bashing hillary

and vice versa? try to keep up, will you?

[Spider Jerusalem]

35. Both Clintons have come in for a LOT of criticism here.

For as long as I can remember, going back to 2002. Criticism is not 'bashing' if there are substantiative reasons for it, and progressives and leftists have ample grounds for criticism of both Clintons (in the case of Bill Clinton, things like 'don't ask, don't tell', NAFTA, DOMA, welfare 'reform'; in the case of Hillary, IWR, Kyl-Lieberman, sponsorship of a flag-burning bill, pro-censorship stance, et cetera). Neither Clinton is a model of liberalism, and critique of many of the positions they've taken over the years is valid, especially when Hillary is running on a 'record of experience' that includes her time in her husband's White House.

[2008]

41. Directed at some of the posters on both sides

That was not directed only at Hillary's supporters. I think the arguing is healthy (for the party) to a point, and it's a relatively small number of posters who are keeping the vitriol going.

By the way, from what I recall about the 2004 primary season, DU isn't much different now than it was then.

[Arkana]

37. By the same token--do Hillary supporters want us?

[cbayer]

39. Kids these days. What's with that music? Can't understand a thing they say.

I think it is a small group of overly-enthusiastic people who are young and desperate for change that are causing most of the problem. I think they see Clinton as old-school and currently hate everything old-school.

As someone said much better than I earlier today, we need them as much as they need us - the old guard.

I really don't see it as a Clinton-base vs. Obama-base thing. I think many of those that have been really rude here lately are just a little over excited.

[End Of The Road]

87. Damn, now you've got me humming Bye Bye Birdie

shows my age, and thus my support of Hillary, LOL.



Kids!
I don't know what's wrong with these kids today!
Kids!
Who can understand anything they say?
Kids!
They a disobedient, disrespectful oafs!
Noisy, crazy, dirty, lazy, loafers!
While we're on the subject:
Kids!
You can talk and talk till your face is blue!
Kids!
But they still just do what they want to do!
Why can't they be like we were,
Perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
Kids!
I've tried to raise him the best I could
Kids! Kids!
Laughing, singing, dancing, grinning, morons!
And while we're on the subject!
Kids! They are just impossible to control!
Kids! With their awful clothes and their rock an' roll!
Why can't they dance like we did
What's wrong with Sammy Caine?
What's the matter with kids today!

1960

[goldcanyonaz]

42. I was told yesterday that since I live in a red state I'm not needed in the GE.

:shrug:

[libbygurl]

44. Mighty unifying comment, ain't it? nt

[meow mix]

46. yep, but not the ones on DU..

i think the reasons are obvious.

[candymarl]

47. Good post

This is what I've been trying to get across for some time. Telling your fellow Democrats that you don't need their vote helps no-one. The more Democrats that vote this fall, the better. It makes it harder for the opposition to steal another election.

I, too, considered not voting at all. But this election is too important. From my view, this election is literally a matter of life and death. But if I "take my toys and go home" what do I get? A bunch of meaningless toys that I'm too old to play with.

[chascarrillo]

50. Removed

Talkin' to the wrong person. Thanks, rug.

[JerseygirlCT]

51. I'm just tentatively stepping back into this forum

But I heartily second your motion. THE most important thing isn't sparring about Clinton or Obama. And I've been very unpleasantly surprised by the nastiness over that. The important thing, as you say, is getting a Democrat in the WH.

I prefer Obama, personally. There's something about Clinton's personality that rubs me the wrong way. And the combined Clinton's behavior pre-SC really bothered me.

But if she gets the nomination, she gets my support, no question.

[NMMNG]

52. You got your answer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4688326#4689462


Let them suffer the consequences. I have no pity for them. None whatsoever.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

55. Yes, and I apologize for the handful of idiots on my side.

[emilyg]

57. You're a good guy.

[cooolandrew]

59. The environment is number one reason to vote Barack the threat is real and more seats can start to..

hold back an eco disaster that is set to overtake us all if we don't act. I would support either candidate as a matter of human survival. There is a great big chunk of Antartica threatening to break off displace the seas and flood us all, so puts the differences into insignificance really.

[rodeodance]

68. thats why I like Hillary's policy on eviromental health.

[End Of The Road]

95. Help me out here

I see virtually no difference between the two candidates on environmental policy.

There are also telling similarities in what they're NOT saying about the environment. Water shortages are going to be a worldwide crisis long before rising sea level (which I thought has more to do with the Greenland Ice Sheet than Antarctica), and I don't hear them addressing it. Lake Mead may be dry be 2021, and it's only one of hundreds of affected lakes worldwide. So talking points that emphasize carbon emission reduction targets for 2050 leave me saying "too little, too late."

[scheming daemons]

63. Yeah...

ruggerson... you are ok.... but a lot of Hillary supporters are not.

[rodeodance]

66. best edit your post----against rules to out specific members. thanks.

Wed Feb-20-08 08:40 PM
Response to Original message
63. Yeah... we could really use the likes of Herman Munster and bidenista and in_cog_ni_to and....

...OPERATIONMINDCRIME and.... you get the idea.


There are a whole lot of Clinton supporters here that engage in NOTHING but smear campaigns. Herman is the biggest offender.

Why on earth should we placate posters like THAT?

[bvar22]

72. ROFL!!!!

Best laugh of the night! :thumbsup:



Yes, you better edit the post causes we aren't supposed to name names!

[rodeodance]

70. i see you edited your post---thanks.

[Johnny__Motown]

71. yes, their votes are as good as mine, or anyone's

[Colobo]

73. Absolutely!

[Celeborn Skywalker]

74. Yes, I do.

I want all Democrats and whomever else we can get to vote for Obama in the general. I want the same for Hillary if she wins.

[Pushed To The Left]

75. Of course! And Hillary Clinton will have this Obama supporter's support if she gets the nomination

We need to come together to defeat the Republicans. Otherwise, get ready for 100 years of Iraq and a far right Supreme Court.

[mistertrickster]

76. Yes, but we're not going to pander. Obama is what he is--the man who has pulled

more new voters and independents into the political process than anybody since Bobby Kennedy.

You can join the march or you can stand in the road and b*tch, but either way, we're going on through . . .

[libbygurl]

81. Just steamroll your way to the WH? Nice plan. Must jump at once on that bandwagon...

That leaves out the LGBTs, the older voters, etc., who don't matter to the O camp.

[RBInMaine]

82. Yes, and they will. And Hillary needs to stop going negative.

[Yurem2008]

90. Hillary should stop her negative campaign NOW

and accept the people's verdict. She lost 2/3 of the states to Obama. The SUperdelegates are moving to Obama...The Hillary supporters have no place to go unless they want to be seen as helping elect President McCain...

[GumboYaYa]

84. Ruggerson, the vast majority of people on here will vote for the Demnominee regardless of who wins.

This happens every primary season...there are a few strong supporters of every candidate who are extremely vocal in their support and derision. After there is a clear nominee, those people will leave or at least quiet down and everyone will get focused on beating the Republicans. You just have to endure the next few weeks/months of acrimony as part of the process.

[Renew Deal]

85. I absolutely want to work with the Hillary people.

Can you imagine how well off the nominee will be with the combination of supporters. I feel like Obama is the only candidate that can do this.

Something to remember... DU is not the real world, and people are much more civil in the real world.

[LostinVA]

88. Some Obama supporters said in a thread yesterday that they didn't want our support

So, should I write in another candidate (like HRC or Gore), or vote for the Socialist candidate? Since they don't want us, and at least one poster has said they want us eliminated from the Democratic Party?

[Cameron27]

96. Take a look at #46

"yep, but not the ones on DU.. i think the reasons are obvious."

I'm falling in love with her posts. I say we all chip in and pay her to speak publicly for Obama, I believe she could single-handedly drive enough voters away from him to give Hillary a landslide victory.

[LostinVA]

101. I just saw that

I can throw in $100 -- great idea!

[TheDoorbellRang]

93. If supporters on either side on DU were listened to by the vast majority of America

John Kerry would have won by a landslide in '04.

There's been a lot of vitriol on both sides here, and there have been folks on both sides here that have called in vain for civility. If there are any on either side who won't vote for whoever becomes the candidate, then I'd imagine they won't stay here at the old DU.

[Beacool]

94. Well, Obama lost me some time ago.

I started this election season by supporting Hillary, but being neutral about Obama. Right now, I would prefer to walk on glass than vote for him.


:shrug:

[leftynyc]

98. Please reconsider

Just because some of his supporters are assholes doesn't mean we turn the country over to an unhinged person like McCain. It's just too important. Forget the assholes - they're meaningless.

[Jamastiene]

99. Well, I've just lost my gumption to even try any more.

And I mean try on several issues that used to matter to me. All these years, I thought the term, "child" was a term of endearment. Now, I find out it means racial hate. I thought those people of a different race were my friends and still do, but apparently when someone older calls you "child" and they are of a different race, it's racial hate. I guess I'll have to ask them about that and end what I thought were friendships now because I never knew that before. There's no turning back to neutral after that slap in the face. That's unforgivable.

[leftynyc]

100. Believe me when I say

I understand your feelings about this. People's emotions are high right now and there does seem to be a stampede of new voices on DU that have a lot to learn in the diplomacy department. I had a policy of never putting a person on ignore before but started a few months ago and it works beautifully.

Again, this is just too important to let the assholes win - whether those assholes are on our side of the aisle or not.

[Jamastiene]

102. Yes, there are assholes galore here right now...

and more than a few people are going way way way over the line with it. Is it irreparable? That remains to be seen. In the meantime, I do wish people would just discuss based on policies and issues and facts rather that hyperbole, innuendo, and other divisiveness. I'm surprised it's been allowed to reach this point on here, to be quite honest. Aren't you?

[leftynyc]

106. I'm very surprised

Like I said, I never had to use the ignore switch before the primary wars. In my opinion, the mods are giving waaaay too long a leash on the most egregious posters. Hopefully it will calm down soon. If not, I just wont come here which is a shame. I'm a long timer.

[Beacool]

103. It's not just about some of his a-hole supporters.

It's about several things:

I have concluded that I don't like Obama. I would have respected him if he had paid his dues and had garnered some experience at the national level. I know his record in the state legislature and to me that's not the same thing.

I also don't like what he did to Hillary. I value loyalty in people and don't think that it was right of Obama to ask her to campaign for him, have fundraisers for him, state that he modeled his first year after hers, seek her advice in the senate and then, after being there for just 2 years, decide that he would run against her for the presidency. I would have been proud to vote, and even campaign, for him if he had waited a few years.

We could have had two great presidents and 2 historic firsts: the first woman and the first African American in the WH. Instead, we have a divided party and two candidates who are pretty close on popular votes and on delegates.

I'm frankly sick at heart and angry as hell about the whole election fiasco!!!!

[leftynyc]

110. Oy - loyalty in politics?

Haven't seen that in so long I've forgotten what it looks like!! I understand your feelings and I'm not crazy about either candidate (was a Biden or Ricardson girl myself) but I'll fight like hell to keep another pub out of the white house. I've seen the damage done and we really can't wait much longer to start fixing it. I'm not saying to send money or phone bank (things I normally would do but will not this year), but please consider voting for Senator Obama if he's the nominee.

[Beacool]

113. I can't promise anything.

Right now I would rather he never made it to the WH because I don't think that he deserves be president, but this is only February and a lot things can happen from here until November.

Take care!

[leftynyc]

115. I understand

and respect your hesitation. Everybody has to do what they can live with. You take care too.

[NoodleyAppendage]

104. Do you mean the REAL supporters? Or, those paid/volunteering to do her dirty work around DU?

I'll ask for the support of the former. The latter can go f' themselves.

J

[Neshanic]

105. Nice post Mr. R. They do not belive the "someone said" thing though.

[BenDavid]

107. ruggerson is right, there are many here at du that truly like the

Clintons. When you obama people start writing such vile and harsh words against either Clinton and begin sounding and looking more like republicans then we that like the Clintons become angry. I agree that if obama gets the nomination then obama will need us and that is vice versa as well, but if this keeps up obama might go to bed on the 4th of November and realize there is another republican elected as president.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

108. No, I want Obama supporters on my side.

And in a couple of weeks, there will only be McCain supporters and Obama supporters.

[Downtown Hound]

111. I think people should vote based on what they think is best

for the country, not on the petty wars on some internet board. I know that I would vote for Hilary in the GE even though SOME of her supporters on DU have put me off a bit, because I believe it's the right thing to do. I would encourage all Hillary supporters to do the same.

[Forkboy]

114. I wouldn't blame them if they didn't.

When Hillary was riding high I didn't see a bit of concern for them. Hillary supporters are watching it swirl down the drain and NOW it occurs to them that maybe the Dems should try to get along and stop shitting all over one another. At this point it's damn near impossible for most Hillary supporters to try to take the high road because they ignored when she was doing good.