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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:49 PM
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Hillary and Tweety's ethics
Hillary on Obama's record:

The reality is, since Sen. Obama joined the Senate (applying the same standard the email applies to Hillary) he has sponsored two bills that have become law:


Hillary introduced the talking point: Obama has no substance. Hillary, as usual, is being completely disingenuous. The MSM has gone from simply repeating Hillary's talking point to trying to prove that it's true using shameful tactics, as indicated by this rebuttal of Chris "Tweety" Matthews' stunt after the Wisconsin primary:

Dear Chris Matthews: Please Do Your Job

20 Feb 2008 06:21 pm
by hilzoy

Last night, Texas State Senator Kirk Watson, an Obama supporter, was embarrassed on national TV when he couldn't name any of Obama's legislative achievements. (He wrote what I think is a pretty decent and disarming account of it here.) David Kurtz, for whom I normally have enormous respect, writes:

"I suspect this is a bit of a Rorschach test. Depending on your perspective, it's proof that Obama is a lightweight, just goes to show what a gasbag Matthews is, or appeals to the same voyeuristic instinct that makes you slow down and gawk at a car accident."

I think it's only a Rorschach test for people who don't bother to find whether or not Obama actually has any actual legislative achievements. If he does, then of course this just shows that this one supporter didn't know what they are. If he doesn't, it might show something more, e.g. that Obama is a lightweight. As it happens, Obama does have substantive legislative achievements. I have written more about them here. A few highlights, all of which became law:

* Ethics Reform: Obama was the Senate's point person on ethics reform, and sponsored or co-sponsored the bills that made up what the Washington Post called "the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet." I'm also a fan of this bill, which I think of as the Journalists, Bloggers, and Citizens' Muckraking Empowerment Act: it creates a searchable database of recipients of federal grants and contracts.

* The Lugar-Obama initiative to strengthen the Nunn-Luger framework for securing loose nukes, and to extend it to securing and destroying stockpiles of conventional arms. (For instance, shoulder-fired missiles that could be used against passenger airlines, fired at our forces, or used to make any number of ongoing conflicts more deadly.)

* Various bills concerning the response to Hurricane Katrina, including an amendment putting strict limits on the use of no-bid contracts after disasters, requiring planning for the evacuation of people with special needs and senior citizens, creating a National Emergency Family Locator System, etc.

There are also a lot of good bills he worked on that did not make it, including the compromise immigration bill and a proposal to create an independent Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission, and some that are on the Senate calendar now, like a bill to criminalize various deceptive election tactics, like deceptive robocalls, providing misleading information about where to vote or what conditions you have to meet to be eligible to vote, etc.

There's a lot more. Honestly, there is. I wrote a summary here (and an earlier one here), and provided lists (1, 2, 3) of all the bills and amendments sponsored or co-sponsored by Clinton and Obama in the 109th and 110th Congresses, just so it would be as easy as possible for people to see for themselves. (Fun fact about each side's legislative records: during the 109th and 110th Congresses (which is to say, the time that both Obama and Clinton have been in the Senate), only one sponsored a substantive bill that became law. Guess who it was? Hint: the bill concerns the ongoing conflict in the Congo.) Which brings me to my larger point:

I did this because I had heard one too many people like Chris Matthews talking about Obama's alleged lack of substance, and I thought: I know that's not true, since I have read about Obama's work on non-proliferation, avian flu, and a few other issues. And if people are saying he lacks substance, then surely I, as a citizen, should try to find out whether I just hallucinated all this interesting legislation, or whether this talking point was, in fact, completely wrong. So I sat down with Google and Thomas and tried to find out.

more


Tweety set out to “Stump the Chump", who turns out to be a pretty decent guy:

Meet Kirk Watson.

He's a popular former mayor of Austin, Texas, and currently a Texas state senator.

He's considered by some to be an up-and-comer in Texas Democratic politics.

He's a Barack Obama supporter and surrogate.

He's also the guy that Chris Matthews may have mortally wounded politically last night during MSNBC's primary night coverage. You can watch the brutal exchange here.

Watson has posted a statement on his website which, I have to say, gets points for graciousness in the face of utter humiliation:

<…>

I guess Bill Clinton did recover from his disastrous speech at the 1988 Democratic convention.

link


Tweety's stunt was shameful and ugly, but Kirk Watson will recover. Bill Clinton did:

Clinton bores his audience

Crowd cheers when Clinton finishes his speech

updated 7:03 p.m. ET, Tues., July. 20, 2004

The 1988 Democratic convention in Atlanta, Georgia was Bill Clinton’s debut on the national stage. Unfortunately, Clinton's speech nominating Michael Dukakis ended up being quite boring.

"He droned on and on, and droned on," remembers Tom Brokaw. "When he finally said 'In conclusion,' people began to cheer."

Clinton quickly realized he didn't give his best performance. "I saw him the next day and I literally slipped out of the way, I didn’t know what to say to him. He knew how he’d done," continues Brokaw. Clinton bounced right back and talked to the media, and even made an appearance on Johnny Carson's show.

"That should have told you something about Bill Clinton at that point. He would make the big mistake, but then he would crawl out of it in his own endearing fashion."

Hence the nickname, “Comeback Kid.”


Or -- heaven forbid -- the Bill Clinton of 1988, who gave a tedious stemwinder in 1988 that has gone down in the books as the worst nominating speech in recent memory?

link


Arkansas governor Bill Clinton gave a widely jeered 32-minute long opening night address that some predicted would ruin his political career, a source of much satisfaction to him 4 years later.

link


Four years later, Bill ran for president.

Question: Did you expect Hillary to be gracious and avoid jumping into the gutter with Tweety?

"My good friend Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones from Ohio represented me on one of the TV programs in the last day or two— some of you may have seen her," Clinton said during a speech at Hunter College in New York City Wednesday. "And she was on against someone representing my opponent and for the first time, actually, the host, asked the representative of my opponent to name one accomplishment."

<...>

The Clinton campaign called the interview "Must See TV," and e-mailed a clip of it to reporters Wednesday morning — shortly before the New York Democrat mentioned it in her speech.

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Nah! That's not the kind of campaign is running. She's running a Jeanine Pirro-style campaign. When Hillary's Republican challenger for Senate Pirro criticized her for hosting a birthday party for Robert Byrd, her spokesperson lamented:

When your best attack is to criticize your opponnent for socializing with someone who apologized forty years ago for a mistake he made sixty years ago, you have no campaign. If Pirro actually had an issue to attack Clinton on, she might have the start of a campaign. Instead, her candidacy is a joke.

link

Fast forward to 2008, and pathetic is the new standard for Hillary's campaign and her surrogates:

Obama says he is practicing a new kind of politics, but why has his PAC sloshed $698,000 to the campaigns of the superdelegates, according to the Center for Responsive Politics? Is giving Robert Byrd’s campaign $10,000 the kind of change we can believe in?

link


"When your best attack is to criticize your opponent for (supporting Democrats for reelection), you have no campaign."

Get it?

Obama's record speaks for itself (the MSM can see the links above, hilzoy did most of the work).

Kirk will recover, in the same way Bill did.

The question is can a seasoned politician like Bill recover his reputation after the kind of campaign Hillary?

Not sure if there is any hope for Tweety!

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 08:59 PM
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1. It looks like in both the Senate and insupporting other Democrats in 2006,
Obama beats HRC by a lot.

Isn't Obama/Lugar a concrete example of good work on NATIONAL SECURITY, the issue HRC has spoken of has in her favor night and day lately? With McCain now seen as having at least ethics problems, Obama has the cleaner past and the ethics bill.

This is a great recompilation!
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:01 PM
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3. ProSense does a great job of providing factual information
in posts.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:53 PM
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6. Thanks! n/t
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:07 PM
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7. Don't get a big head now.....n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:47 PM
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8. Nah,
sticking with the facts.

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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:00 PM
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2. Kirk is a class act.
"My most unfortunate gaffe is not, in any way, a comment on Senator Obama, his substantial record, or the great opportunity we all share to elect him President of the United States. …

In the meantime, let’s not lose focus on what’s important in this election. It’s not my stunning televised defeat in “Stump the Chump.”
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:43 PM
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5. Agree! n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 09:02 PM
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4. Or lack thereof...
hilary's boring me now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:47 AM
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9. True. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:13 AM
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10. Karl Rove picks up the talking point, and adds the Rovian spin to it:
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:14 AM by ProSense

Obama's New Vulnerability

By KARL ROVE

February 21, 2008; Page A17

In campaigns, there are sometimes moments when candidates shift ground, causing the race to change dramatically. Tuesday night was one of those moments.

Hammered for the 10th contest in a row, Hillary Clinton toughened her attacks on Barack Obama, saying he was unready to be commander in chief and unable to back his inspiring words with a record of action and leadership.

John McCain also took on Mr. Obama, with the Arizona senator declaring he would oppose "eloquent but empty calls for change that promises no more than a holiday from history and a return to the false promises and failed policies of a tired philosophy that trusts in government more than people."

<...>

The truth is that Mr. Obama is unwilling to challenge special interests if they represent the financial and political muscle of the Democratic left. He says yes to the lobbyists of the AFL-CIO when they demand card-check legislation to take away the right of workers to have a secret ballot in unionization efforts, or when they oppose trade deals. He won't break with trial lawyers, even when they demand the ability to sue telecom companies that make it possible for intelligence agencies to intercept communications between terrorists abroad. And he is now going out of his way to proclaim fidelity to the educational unions. This is a disappointment since he'd earlier indicated an openness to education reform. Mr. Obama backs their agenda down the line, even calling for an end to testing, which is the only way parents can know with confidence whether their children are learning and their schools working.

These stands represent not just policy vulnerabilities, but also a real danger to Mr. Obama's credibility and authenticity. He cannot proclaim his goal is the end of influence for lobbies if the only influences he seeks to end are lobbies of the center and the right.

Unlike Bill Clinton in 1992, Mr. Obama is completely unwilling to confront the left wing of the Democratic Party, no matter how outrageous its demands, no matter how out of touch it might be with the American people. And Tuesday night, in a key moment in this race, he dropped the pretense that his was a centrist agenda. His agenda is the agenda of the Democratic left.

In recent days, courtesy of Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, Mr. Obama has invoked the Declaration of Independence, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Franklin Roosevelt to show the power of words. But there is a critical difference between Mr. Obama's rhetoric and that of Jefferson, King and FDR. In each instance, their words were used to advance large, specific purposes -- establishing a new nation based on inalienable rights; achieving equal rights and a color-blind society; giving people confidence to endure a Great Depression. For Mr. Obama, words are merely a means to hide a left-leaning agenda behind the cloak of centrist rhetoric. That garment has now been torn. As voters see what his agenda is, his opponents can now far more effectively question his authenticity, credibility, record and fitness to be leader of the free world.

The road to the presidency just got steeper for Barack Obama, and all because he pivoted on Tuesday night.

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"unwilling to challenge special interests"? Oh my, hypocrisy knows no bounds.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:19 AM
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11. "I have to confess I was somewhat amused the other night..."
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 09:19 AM by ProSense
Hillary from the debate:

I have to confess I was somewhat amused the other night when on one of the TV shows, one of Senator Obama's supporters was asked to name one accomplishment of Senator Obama, and he couldn't. So I know that there are comparisons and contrasts to be drawn between us, and it's important that voters get that information.

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