hillary, i know you have done things right when the gullible turn against you and start chanting,

[flordehinojos]

"crucify her." "crucify her." they gave socrates the cup of hemlock, they gave christ the nails and the cross. the gullible masses hillary, they buy the london bridge, they join the cart of any con artist. the gullible masses hillary want your political head. how does anyone stop the unstoppable marabunta before it eats at everything on its path? how does one stop the lies and the spin?

the gullible masses hillary, their megaphonous voices through joe scarboro, mika b., chris matthews, brian williams, and so many others, flamed away at you for almost two whole years. now that they have created a myth, now that they are about to sit another child president at the white house ... now they want to bury you saying you died a most natural death.

they created a myth. they created an idol. idols and myths fall by the wayside in time hillary.
i thank you for neither being a myth nor an idol. i thank you for being a human being who knows and has known the pulse of America for all of your life, and who have given so much to America for the last thirty-five years of your life.

thank you hillary. here is hoping that you will throw the marabunta off course and find your sure footing in to the white house.

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. i don't remember her taking my pulse...

:wtf:

[anamandujano]

7. She tried but couldn't find one.

[rodeodance]

14. ha ha--i am laughing so hard i can hardly type!!!

[flordehinojos]

56. ... O:-)

:loveya:

[golddigger]

72. Late replying here but, that was freaking Hilarious...n/t

:rofl:

[SammyWinstonJack]

79. ...

:evilgrin:

[Tarheel_Dem]

80. not surprised she couldn't find one..she didn't know her campaign

was on life support. I mean who the hell blows through $135 mil, and doesn't notice? Then winds up having to "LOAN" their own fledgling campaign $5 mil? I don't trust her diagnostic or management skills.

[elixir]

119. Are you also Frenchie Cat? Do you have a dual account at DU?

[Tarheel_Dem]

161. Not even close, although I have nothing but the greatest admiration

& respect for Frenchie...she's a fighter, and she doesn't let you guys get away with posting lies. I'm not quite sure what you're implying, but whatever it is, consider me honored.

:toast: to FrenchieCat

[elixir]

117. nicely done

[ElsewheresDaughter]

126. whoop whoop whoop!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[BlackVelvet04]

135. snap......

lol

[Arkansas Granny]

141. Good one!

:thumbsup:

[MadBadger]

2. Child President?

Shame on you.

[smalll]

4. No, "child president" is pretty spot on for both Obama and Dubya.

And keep in mind, child presidents, like child kings, lead to regencies, which never turn out too well. Cheney was Dubya's regent; who will be Obama's? Axelrod most likely, but you never know who'll end up with the power behind the throne.

[jgraz]

6. Christ, two more weeks of this shit

:argh:

[LittleClarkie]

18. I love Edwards supporters

I can trust their perspective most of the time. I can't even trust my own some days.

[grantcart]

49. If the superdelegates keep falling off it won't last that long

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4690456
picked up 3 today

[elixir]

125. You mean you're shit?

[jgraz]

145. Wow, I guess Hillary does do well with people of limited education

Good for her!

[flordehinojos]

57. neat!

and insightful too!

:toast:

[SOS]

160. Young presidents

The four youngest in history, at inauguration:

Theodore Roosevelt 42
John F. Kennedy 43
Bill Clinton 46*
Ulysses S. Grant 46

* "child presidents, like child kings, lead to regencies, which never turn out too well."

[jgraz]

5. I hear he's also lazy and shiftless

But, hoo boy can he dance!


:banghead:

[LittleClarkie]

15. Damn darkie

Why don't he get to the back of the primary season where he belongs.

[last1standing]

29. As bad as the O/P is, it didn't imply racism. For you to throw this out is contemptible.

It says a lot more about your own prejudice than anyone else's.

[last1standing]

30. How did the O/P imply what you've stated?

If you can't back it up, I think you're just blowing smoke out your ass. In fact, I'd have to call you a troll if you can't show where the O/P is racist.

[jgraz]

35. Calling a 47-year-old black man a "child" has some pretty racist overtones

The fact that the OP may be clueless about what he posted is no excuse.

[last1standing]

36. No it doesn't.

I'm 39 and have been called a child. Does that mean the person who called me that is a racist, even though they were white like me? Or is it only racist when you call a black person a child? You're stretching very hard to make a point that just isn't there and it has no place here.

[jgraz]

40. The fact that you're also clueless doesn't excuse it either

You should try a bit of education before you get on that high horse. You're really embarrassing yourself here.

[last1standing]

41. So you're now the judge of all things racist. I guess that's reasonable.

You certainly seem to know the subject from the inside.

Gee, maybe we can all do this. You're a racist for saying that I'm embarrassing myself. So what if it makes no sense, I've claimed it's racist so it must be.

WOW! This is easy. :eyes:

[Recursion]

78. It's very racially charged, though probably unintended

*shrug*

[Jamastiene]

100. So, some people may take it as something racial, while others

don't. Lots of times, people who are older, will call whoever they are talking to, (who is younger) "child." It just means the person is younger. When I was younger, I had black people AND white people call me child, and I still can't see any racial connotation there. It's not meant as an insult and it doesn't have anything to do with race.

Then again I guess some people think it always has something to do with race when someone calls someone a "child." Then, it comes down to what the intentions were. Discerning someone's intentions is like herding cats. Not a very successful venture in most cases.

[Jamastiene]

98. So, I guess my older black friends are telling me they hate me

when they call me "child" while talking to me, because they really mean it as a racist rant of some sort against me?

This is odd to me, because they've always been such good friends to me. Now, I find out they possibly mean it as a racist slur of some sort, at least according to your interpretation. Fuck that. I call bullshit.

[jgraz]

99. I like how you don't let lack of knowledge or logical thought deter you from voicing an opinion

it's actually kind of cute.

[Jamastiene]

101. So, it does mean they hate me.

Gee, all those years I spent being non-racist were a waste of my time, I now see. Welcome to ignore, racist.

[jgraz]

102. See, there you go again

Yeah, you better put me on ignore before you learn something.

[last1standing]

105. If you don't agree with jgraz you MUST be racist or stupid.

You see, when jgraz voices an opinion (or calls someone racist with absolutely no provocation) it automatically becomes fact, regardless of the lack of substance or even coherence. However, the moment one states a fact that counters jgraz, that fact automatically becomes uneducated opinion. It's one of the miracles of DU.

Either that or a glimpse into the inner workings of a sad little person who can only bully in a semi-anonymous forum. Take your pick. :shrug:

[jgraz]

108. Another ignorant post from you

If you'd bothered to develop a little knowledge about what goes on around here, you'd see that I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. What I do have a problem with is stupid people who wouldn't know a clue if it nested in their asshole adopting a ridiculous superior attitude while spewing complete nonsense.

I'll type this slowly so maybe you can get it: your experience as a WHITE PERSON does not translate into another person's experience as a member of an HISTORICALLY OPPRESSED MINORITY. I've played gigs where my black drummer was referred to as "boy" by the bar patrons. Like black men have been called for hundreds of years. And you don't even want to know what happened the nights he showed up with his Korean girlfriend.

So yeah, you're goddamn right it's racist when you call a black man a child. And no, it doesn't apply to your obviously sheltered white experience.

[last1standing]

111. Like I said, disagree with jgraz and you must be racist or stupid.

Because jgraz is the only one able to see what's right and wrong so the bullying and attempts to intimidate are completely warranted.

Right, jgraz?


Also, you don't have the beginning of a clue as to what I've seen and where I've been. The idea that you played in a band with a black drummer (GASP!) doesn't exactly make you a leading expert on race relations. Its actually rather pathetic that you seem to think it does. Unless, of course, you say it does. I mean jgraz is always right, huh? :eyes:

[jgraz]

113. Only if you disagree in a racist and stupid manner

As you're so capably demonstrating.

[last1standing]

128. Point proved the by the DU "fact-maker"

There's no opinion too asinine that jgraz can't turn it into fact by the very power of his will!

You're like a superhero for the socially stunted, man.

[jgraz]

143. Stop acting like a petulant child

And quit making the argument about me. If you have a real point to make, make it. Otherwise, you should consider that you may have passed the point where you need to stop typing for a while.

[last1standing]

149. You called me a child!!!! RACIST!!!!!!!

Can't you see the undertones or the insensitivity in that word? :eyes:

[jgraz]

151. So predictable, and so pathetic

Have fun in your bubble. :hi:

[last1standing]

156. Is that meant to be racist? I'm just not sure anymore.

Is "child" racist, but not "bubble" or is it the other way around? Maybe both are racist if you say they are. Damn! It's so confusing for this sad, pathetic, predictable, racist. I'm just glad you're here to tell me how uneducated and ignorant I am. LOL!

[Jamastiene]

133. What so fucked up is that I am mixed race

although I appear white, and have played in bands with black drummers, white drummers, American Indian drummers, black bass guitarists, white bass guitarist, black singers, white singers, black guitarists, white guitarists, and a combination of black/white/mixed/AI and I never got on any high horse like jgraz has when it comes to race relations and what things mean.

I do happen to know better than he does in my own experiences though. When my black girlfriend called me "child," I KNOW for a fact that she was using it as a term of endearment and no in some racial connotation. If she meant it as some racial thing, she wouldn't have been so loving toward me moments later.

I just can't believe the nerve of some people to assume they know everything.

[last1standing]

139. No you're not. Jgraz won't let you be.

He not only controls fact here at DU, he controls the very person typing. If you apologize nicely he may not turn you into a racist like he has me, but I wouldn't count on it.

[Jamastiene]

109. It's a rather fucked up way they look at things, isn't it?

Where I'm from, older people call younger people "child" regardless of race. It never means anything racial. It's actually a term of endearment in most cases. When I was younger and they called me "child" while they spent hours talking to me and getting me through some tough times, it was always something I looked at as a term of endearment. I don't honestly think it was racist. Why would those ladies have taken up that much time with me and helped me like that if there was some racist hatred going on there? It's wasn't about race. It was about simple friendship. Pfft, jgras is off his rocker on this one.

[last1standing]

114. "Child" was meant to be insulting, there's no questioning that.

The problem I have is that jgraz maliciously took it out of context to score some imaginary point in the forum. My issue with that is calling everyone you don't like a racist cheapens the word and causes harm in the process. It looks like jgraz things he's an expert on race relations because he once knew a black person who had a Korean girlfriend, but this is jgraz, so I guess that's good enough for DU fact. :eyes:

Anyway, "Child" in this context was meant to connote immaturity, not racial inferiority, that's just obvious. I have no idea whether the O/P is a racist or not, but I'm getting a strong clue as to whether jgraz is.....

[Jamastiene]

138. It all boils down to context, doesn't it?

jgraz is now on my ignore list now. Life is already better plus I had some nice memories about a nice person that moved and we lost touch. She was such a sweetheart. Maybe I should be careful calling her a sweetheart too though. jgraz will turn is racist somehow, I am sure. :eyes:

[last1standing]

142. I think he already has. I need to check "www. jgrazsaysyouraracist. com".

I hear the list is so long now, that he's had to continue it on "http://jgrazisthefact-maker.com" as well.

Seriously, he's going on my ignore aw well, just as soon as I'm done playing with him. :hi:

[Jamastiene]

144. I'm sure he has. I don't doubt it for a minute.

You have much more patience than I do. :patriot: :pals:

[last1standing]

153. Jgraz just called me a child. What a racist.

Really, what he's implying about African-Americans is the closest thing to racism I've seen in this thread. Scary, isn't it?

[Jamastiene]

157. Yes, it is.

Methinks somebody is off their rocker at this point.

[ecstatic]

104. umm... I call BS on your post!

Example 1: "Child, I was laughing so hard when he said that!" - In this case, child was used as a figure of speech. I find it hard to believe that in the year 2008 people are still using "child" in this way, but I won't question your anecdotal account.

Example 2: "I don't want another child president (referring to Obama)." - In this case, "child" becomes very disrespectful as Obama is 47 years old. Furthermore, it has racist overtones as well because we all know that black men are regularly referred to as "boys" by racists / bigots in this country.

[last1standing]

106. It's obvious that "child" was used because everyone talks about Obama's youth.

It was insulting and it was meant to be so, but not as a racist comment. The O/P is a moron, obviously, but there's no indication they are racist. Its just plain wrong to call people racist without good reason. It not only hurts people unnecessarily, it cheapens the meaning of racism.

[jgraz]

110. And when they call Hillary a shrill fishwife, they just mean that she can be kind of harsh

:eyes:

[last1standing]

124. Do I really have to explain this to the DU fact-maker?

*sigh*

"Child" in the context of the O/P's post was meant to convey an impression of immaturity, not racial inferiority. In fact, I've never in my entire life heard the word "child" used as a racist term. Having come from a very racist family and having lived and worked in racially diverse settings for the last 20 years, I think there's a good chance I would have heard SOMEONE use it that way if it was in any way usable.

As for "shrill fishwife" that is obviously sexist. But you knew that, you just wanted to make sure you got an insult out against Clinton in this discussion, didn't you?

Pathetic.

[jgraz]

137. Really? But I didn't MEAN it to be sexist, I meant it to be insulting

Hey, all my female friends call me shrill and I've never felt they were being sexist to me. :eyes:

Can't you see the difference between pointing out a racially insensitive comment and calling the poster a racist? The comment is racially insensitive, and it plays into the rest of the subtle racial comments that surround Obama -- like comparing him to black athletes or implying that he's a lazy huckster. They touch on deep racial stereotypes and help the true villians who are trying to use Obama's race against him for political gain.

[last1standing]

147. So a term that's been used for years is just insulting but "child" is racist?

I know what you're trying to say, but you're off base with this one - way off base. We don't know if the O/P is racist or not and the post doesn't give a clue. By the logic you're using, any term, whatsoever, used against any black person at any time can be considered "racially insensitive". That just doesn't fly. I'm not willing to agree that black people can't be insulted as that's far more racist than insulting them to begin with. I really don't think Obama is so fragile that he can't take an insult from some moron in a forum and if you do, then you have a pretty low opinion of your own candidate.

[Carolina]

115. exactly, child as in 'boy'

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

116. ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Racist? Are you for frickin real???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[jgraz]

122. Oh yay, OMC is here

This should really raise the level of the discourse. :eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

132. Yeah. I Mean, Your Running Around Screaming Out Racism In Such A Ridiculous Fashion, Really Is What

raising the level of discourse is all about. Ummmmmm, hellooooooo, mcflyyyyyyyy, project much?

:rofl:

[jgraz]

140. You really need to develop a habit of thinking before you post

There's a difference between pointing out a racially insensitive comment and calling someone a racist. Are you capable of making that distinction?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

159. There Ya Go Projecting Again.

I didn't say you called anyone a racist. If you actually stopped to think before you posted, maybe you woulda realized that.

But you were running around screaming about the racist tones blah blah blah, and it was beyond ridiculous.

The only racist tones or racially insensitive comments are the ones you've manufactured within your own mind. There was no tone of that sort whatsoever in the OP and it makes you look really really silly by running around claiming otherwise.

[jgraz]

163. There's been a constant drumbeat of these almost-but-not-quite racial comments from the Clinton camp

I don't want to think that the OP did it intentionally, but the pattern is well-established at this point. Why do the Hillaroids get to run around yelling "MISOGYNY" at every opportunity and yet expect a pass when it comes to racial sensitivity?

BTW, why the hell aren't you laughing at an OP who compares Hillary to Jeezus and Socrates? I thought you were an equal-opportunity annoyer. :P

[elixir]

130. Uh ma gaaaaadddd!!!! You are ridiculous. The OP called Dubya and Obama "child". You implied "boy"

[last1standing]

136. Didn't you know that bush* is also a 47 yo black man?

Jgraz has spoken and he is the DU fact-maker. Able to leap opinions in a single bound! Able to stop a speeding fact! It's amazing really.

Also, watch out, he's now calling more people who disagree with him racist. We may have to create the GD: Racism forum for everyone who doesn't meet with his approval.

[NMMNG]

179. Like fuck it does

Particularly when the OP said "another child president", which meant GWB was included in that. Dumbya certainly isn't black.

[Beausoir]

127. Despicable.

[Raffi Ella]

107. .

Shame on Obama for using the race card since day one.Shame on Obama for Disparaging Our Party.Shame on Michelle Obam for saying she would have to think about supporting Hillary if she won,Shame on Obamas surrogates for strong arming black delegates on racial lines,Shame on Obama for manipulating the public on left over twice used rhetoric and claiming them as his own,Shame on Obama letting Oprah try to shame women for being proud of Hillary because she is a woman -On and on and ON I COULD go.

Oh and shame on you for shitting on Hillary's beautiful Speech too.No matter,it is good that's why ya'll are in here shitting on it.

[dionysus]

121. what an incoherant pile of a post...

[Raffi Ella]

150. doh.

lol,I have to agree with you on that last sentence there...looks like it belongs in another one of Hillary's thread.

The other stuff though,nah,shame and shame some more.

[dionysus]

152. ...

;)

[elixir]

123. Oh my, we've offended hnmnf. Heaven forfend. Child president, strong stuff.

[jgraz]

3. I'm sorry, did you just compare Hillary to Socrates AND Christ???

And then say that the Obama people have created an IDOL??

Welcome to Hillary 2008, now 100% irony-free. :rofl:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. And their idol will be felled by cinematic killer ants.

Not just irony-free, but surreal.

:scared:

[Carolina]

120. exactly,

comparing her to Christ, saying she's been crucified... Team Hillary: hyperbolic, shameless

[smalll]

8. Good, well-written, heart-felt rant. I just WISH you'd come to terms with capitalization! /nt

Take a rec! :hi:

[flordehinojos]

58. thanks ...

:loveya:

(i sort of swiped e.e. cummings' no capitalization so many years ago ...)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

9. Marabunta, my fanny. She's running a crap ass campaign.

Spare us the melodrama.

[anamandujano]

10. Nice essay, thank you. Ignore the jackboot thugs that are short on ideas.

[flordehinojos]

55. thanks ...

:)

[Metric System]

65. Ha! ObamaNation: short on ideas but loaded with Kool-Aid!

[Tarheel_Dem]

81. and flush with campaign cash. how's that going for your guy?

[flordehinojos]

167. ...

:hi:

[LittleClarkie]

11. Anybody wanna photoshop Hillary's face onto this?

Might be a tad painful, but if you're going to play the "Second Coming of Jesus" card, you should probably should do it right.

Will her campaign come back from the dead on Easter Sunday?

[JVS]

19. I don't have photoshop, but here is a crudely made graphic for you

[JVS]

12. GIVE US OBAMA

[rodeodance]

17. NO problem--you can have him

[smalll]

22. Nice Barabbas reference --

The Pilates in the media are more than happy enough to accede to the wishes of the mob in this instance. (Note to the Obamaboppers: "Pilates" in this intance doesn't refer to what the "MILFs" do down at the gym.)

[JVS]

25. HER ELECTORAL FLOP-SWEAT BE UPON US AND ON OUR CHILDREN!

[Lilith Velkor]

73. !

:spray:

[rodeodance]

16. Lovely tribute to the LADY~YES SHE WILL~~ YES WE WILL~~

[jgraz]

21. Yeah, that's not cult-like at all

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

23. We don't genuflect or bow to Hillary, nor do we SWOON.

genuflect

[jgraz]

27. I totally understand. I've seen her speak.

[rodeodance]

38. SWOON away---

[Arugula Latte]

180. Bwa ha ha! Point to jgraz.

I literally cannot listen to her speak. It's not as bad as when Bush comes on, but I do not seem to have much tolerance for listening to her. She is awful!

[Metric System]

68. Exactly. We also don't applaud when she blows her nose. Seriously, Obamaniacs actually did that. Ugh

[Recursion]

76. Sigh. The applause was to a quip right after he blew his nose

But, hey, why let what actually happened get in the way of making fun of him?

[scheming daemons]

87. No.. you applaud when she conjures up fake tears...

[Beausoir]

146. OMG! Seriously? That's insane.

[flordehinojos]

47. ... O:-)

:loveya:

[Fredda Weinberg]

20. k&r

[flordehinojos]

51. thank you ...

:-)

[rodeodance]

24. proud to give it the 5th.

[flordehinojos]

52. thank you rodeodance ...

;)

[last1standing]

26. So Clinton is Christ, but Obama leads the cult....

There's stupid then there's ridiculously stupid. This O/P falls into the latter category. I keep hearing each side of this asinine debate get more and more ludicrous as the days go by and you are certainly helping lead the charge.

By the way, "Hillary" is sexist. No one would call Obama, "Barak" would they? :eyes:

[donheld]

28. One of the most assinine posts EVER!

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

[smalll]

39. (This one's really starting to get to me.) Look, Obamaboppers -- "asinine" takes ONE s, not TWO!

You might be surprised to learn that the word "asinine" is NOT based on "ass."

[JVS]

42. The OP is one of the most ass posts ever.

There, that's much better.

[flordehinojos]

168. i wear your, "The OP is one of the most ass posts ever. ..." as a badge of honor.

thank you sir. i know my post has spoken to you and i know you don't like what it said. thank you, again.

[donheld]

43. The poster makes an ASS out of themselves so it's ASSinine

But thanks for playing our games. :spank:

[jgraz]

96. Oh jeez, your such a looser

:P

[Milo_Bloom]

31. SHe voted for the war, she gets what she deserves.

[dailykoff]

46. And not just once.

Every time.

[flordehinojos]

48. she did not ... but what's the point of saying it again.

you hear what you want to hear.

[dailykoff]

54. Especially since your claim isn't remotely true

even by the standard of hagiography.

[flordehinojos]

61. as i said, you hear what you want to hear.

O8)

[Metric System]

69. Is this the same war that Obama continues to vote to fund?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

32. We call spider wasps marabundas.

They're a wasp that lays their eggs on a captured spider so the young hatchings can live off the body parasitically. Which made nooo sense at all in this context.

So, I looked it up thinking it must have another meaning and I found killer flesh eating ants. Is that the correct definition for your intentions?

If so, I'm not sure which is worse, killer flesh eating ants or parasitic spider wasps?

[amborin]

33. great post

[flordehinojos]

50. ...

:-)

[Matteon]

34. Did you just compare Hillary to Jesus and Socrates?

Really?

[bjnumb9]

37. did you have the same involuntary reaction as me and...

blow chunks to such a comparison?

:puke:

[boppers]

44. I look forward to her advising President Obama.

She has some great ideas, and it's a good idea to have her as part of changing the country.

Yes. WE. Can.... Includes Hillary in the "WE" part.

[dailykoff]

45. Ahem, Socrates was AGAINST the war,

the Peloponnesian War, and that's basically why they banished him from Athens -- for showing a little COURAGE and facing down the warmongers, kind of like, let's see ... Obama.

[Levgreee]

53. Socrates and JC had revolutionary ideas, all Hillary says is she'll work hard

not quite the same.


Also, her "35 years" includes her years on the Wal-mart board (7, I think), and time as a corporate lawyer.

[flordehinojos]

59. Socrates and JC were for truth and doing the right thing.

i think hillary stands up there with them ... she has been doing the right thing for many years.

truth and the right thing are of course considered revolutionary in the midst of a world so filled with lies, manipulations, obscurantism and propaganda ... both back then, and now.

truth and the right thing are the "uninvited heroes" to juse a phrase i heard cynthia mckinney say recently.

three of the world's "uninvited heroes"= Socrates, JC, and ... yes, hillary.

[MadBadger]

63. Hillary is on par with Jesus...BUT IM IN A CULT!!! HA!!

[jgraz]

97. Hey, JC was IN IT TO WIN!

See how well that worked out for him.

[blm]

155. Jackson Stephens said that EXACT same thing when he was bankrolling Clintons to protect his BCCI

operations that Bill kindly deep-sixed for him and his partner - GHWBush.

The Clintons were Poppy Bush and HIS saviors throughout the 90s, weren't they?

[Common Sense Party]

60. So, the Obama "swarm" is a wave of Killer Fire Ants?

What is Hillary's monster movie metaphor, then?

[casus belli]

62. "crucify her".."They gave christ the nails and cross"???

You don't think comparing her political fallout to the murder of Jesus Christ is just a little bit of stretch?

[LittleClarkie]

64. I don't care if it rains or freezes, as long as I have my plastic Jesus

Sittin' on the dashboard of my car.

Comes in colors pink and pleasant,
Glows in the dark cause he's iridescent
Take him with you when you travel far.

Get yourself a sweet Madonna
Dressed in rhinestones sittin' on a
Pedestal of abalone shell.

Going ninety I ain't scary
Cause I got the Virgin Mary
Assurin' me that I won't go to Hell.

[cali]

66. DU- a bastion of political hyperbole

this has really reached a bizarre fever pitch- and that includes pieces like this and much of the railing about Hillary Clinton. It's pointless, of course, to suggest that people ratchet it down a tad. All one can do is note it and move on. The funny thing is that at the same time that you're excoriating others for creating false idols, you're doing the same thing with extravagant language about Hillary: "i thank you for being a human being who knows and has known the pulse of America for all of your life, and who have given so much to America for the last thirty-five years of your life." Really? Hillary has known the pulse of America for all her life? What does that even mean? And does that mean the infant Hillary was bestowed of such supernatural gifts that even as a babe in arms she *knew* America? And then you continue with the 35 year myth which has been deconstructed repeatedly. In any case, Hillary Clinton has run a poor campaign. Here's hoping she only sets foot in the White House as a guest.

[terrya]

74. .

Whatever you believe.

[CyberPieHole]

67. Great post...kick and recommend...

Hillary Clinton would be proud of your support for her.:hi:

[flordehinojos]

169. thanks much ...

:hi: :)

edited to add: nice picture of hillary. thanks for posting it.

[CyberPieHole]

174. Hello flordehinojos...

nice to meet you.:hi:

[avrdream]

70. That brought tears to my eyes.

Thank you for seeing it the way I do.

I will cry more if McCain wins because of this media creation.

[monomach]

71. How's life in crazyland?

Pretty good?

They treating you ok in your rubber room?

Getting enough to eat?

Shock treatments going smoothly?

That's good.

Say hello to the Easter Bunny for me. I know he supports SocraHillaChrist, too.

...Keep accusing those of us who are for Obama of being cultish. That won't look stupid when you start talking about Hillary being nailed to a cross. Nope. Not at all.

[rug]

75. The word gullible is not in the dictionary. Look it up.

[MadHound]

77. It is utterly amazing how some Hillary supporters twist words and concepts

Those who are justifiably critical of Hillary, her positions and her record now are the "gullible". Those who speak critically of her record and her positions are now calling for the public to "crucify her". Those who are in favor of holding Hillary accountable for her enabling Buschco's war are now joining a "con artist". Those who point out the huge holes in her record are now creating a "myth" And somehow Obama, who will be older than Clinton, JFK and Teddy Roosevelt when/if he takes office, who has more national experience than Clinton and Roosevelt, is now, somehow a "child president". Wow, talk about spin.:wow:

And for a woman who supposedly knows the pulse of America, she's been remarkably reluctant to follow the will of people on critical issues ranging from the IWR to the Patriot Act to NCLB. Hmmmm, what does that say about Hillary:think:

Look, I'm sympathetic, to a point, with you. Your candidate is in a death spiral and there is very little can be done to pull her out. However that isn't the fault of the MSM, the party or the people. The blame for that lies at Hillary's very own doorstep. She ran a piss poor campaign, counting on her "inevitability" and cash loaded frontal assault to knock everybody out of the race by Super Tuesday. Yet she failed to count on anybody being able to stand up against her, and when somebody did, she was caught short, without a plan B and running low on cash.

I really suggest that you take a step back and look at this objectively, if you can. Blinding yourself and others is doing yourself and others a huge disservice. It is always best to deal with reality as it is, not how it appears through partisan colored glasses.

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. Best. Most Articulate. Most Succint Post. Ever....

and not surprisingly there's good advice there no matter who you support. I admit sometimes it gets to me, and I'll take a cheap shot every now and again. Hopefully, at the end of this process, I can get behind whomever wins the nomination. But the Clinton supporters here have been brutal with name calling, labeling, etc.

I'm not a cultist, I don't follow the latest fads...never have. I don't think Obama can be blamed for being charismatic. When Bill Clinton came onto the national scene, I fell in love instantly, because he was saying things that moved me on an emotional, yet practical level. I don't feel that connection with Hillary, and that's not my fault. I felt that connection with John & Elizabeth Edwards, and once they withdrew, I was drawn to Obama and I trust my instincts on this one.

Again, thanks for your insightful post. I find it difficult to take the i.p. seriously, considering all the jokes with religious overtones directed at Obama supporters.

[MadHound]

86. Thank you for your kind words

Perhaps I'm a bit more objective about this than others who've been behind Hillary or Obama from the beginning. I got behind Kucinich, and when dropped out I was forced to choose from two candidates who are both flawed. I think that by not originally getting swept up in the passion and rhetoric, I'm able to approach this from a bit more objective point of view. The one issue that drove me towards Obama was Hillary's war record. I believe in holding our leaders responsible for their actions, and with over a million innocents dead and our resources spent in an illegal, immoral war that she enabled, I think that she needs to be held accountable. Yes, Obama is more charismatic, but on most other issues, he and Hillary have little seperating them.

I'm with you, this is a very divisive primary campaign, and I fear that once we have a nominee, a significant number of people will just stay home. I hope it doesn't come to that, but I fear it might. Rants like the OP do nothing to help the matter either, thus I point out the BS when I see it.

Again, thanks for the kind words, talk with you later.:hi:

[Carolina]

134. Bravo!

Best post nomination.

Without malice or vitriol, with clarity and succinctness, you pointed out the truth and the facts to Team Hillary!

[flordehinojos]

170. thanks

:-)

[Tarheel_Dem]

176. I'm gonna assume you're either slow, or you forgot your saracasm

thingie? you do know the poster was replying to post #77, which is definitely not in support of your OP.

:eyes:

[flordehinojos]

181. i'll just let you wonder which of the two, according to you, i am.

O8)

[MadHound]

177. Please don't take credit for somebody else's work. Especially mine n/t

[bunnies]

82. "crucify her"

Seriously. Seek help.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

83. She turns water into whine.

[rodeodance]

92. not taken in by the SWOON machine.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

95. The last time you had new material, Hillary won a contest.

[rodeodance]

131. still SWOONING I see.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

158. Still not understanding my post, I see.

:eyes:

[JVS]

154. lol

[flordehinojos]

171. you, like obama, are scapegoating hillary so as to advance the child president.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

175. The "child" who has more legislative experience than Hillary?

It's an election, not a fucking coronation.

[Raffi Ella]

85. To you and to Hillary.

I salute you both.

:patriot:

[dionysus]

88. the last days in the bunker...

[Renew Deal]

89. These guys are nuts

Now I know how the 19%ers are like.

[dionysus]

91. it is something to behold isn't it...

[workinclasszero]

90. LOL you got that right!

They getting real crazy now. The DNC needs to lock them up in the attic real soon!:)

[dionysus]

94. don't worry, soon Dietrich will cross the rhine with 3 whole divisions of...

imaginary... volunteers... or something

[blm]

93. Clintons protected Bushes for decades in Arkansas and in DC throughout the 90s.

You forgot to mention that in your short flyover of her 35 yr record.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

103. I find the language and imagry of this post disturbing..

"crucify her." "crucify her."

Hillary is not Christ even if one does not subscribe to his being part of the triune god Hillary is *far* from being Christ...

"socrates the cup of hemlock"

Socrates was given the death sentence for speaking against the system saying it needed to be changed not that 'he can hit the ground running and work within the system'

"the gullible masses hillary"

This aspect of your tone is, perhaps, the most disturbing and the main reason why Hillary would be a disaster as the democratic nominee! Aparently if you dont support Hillary youre some stupid rube who needs Hillary and her, albeit small, mass of supporters to come along and save you from your own ignorance.

[rodeodance]

118. rather like Obamaspek.

[rodeodance]

129. Barack Obama " -you will experience an epiphany .."

Forum Name Hillary Clinton Supporters Group
Topic subject - Barack Obama -you will experience an epiphany ..
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x1452#1452
1452, - Barack Obama -you will experience an epiphany ..
Posted by rodeodance on Tue Feb-19-08 03:14 PM



Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject that is because as Obama said on Jan 7th........
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4660716#4662505
4662505, that is because as Obama said on Jan 7th........
Posted by ElsewheresDaughter on Tue Feb-19-08 01:07 PM

"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire. January 7, 2008

[flordehinojos]

165. nailed it again, rodeodance. bravo!

:toast:

[flordehinojos]

166. you are scapegoating hillary ... just as the multitudes scapegoated christ and the gullible did

Socrates.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

112. excellent!

[flordehinojos]

173. thanks for posting the link to "thehillaryiknow.com"

:hippie:

[Moochy]

148. "How does one stop the lies and the spin"

you could stop posting here?

[jgraz]

164. snap

[SOS]

162. LOL

Comparing Clinton's string of 10 losses to the crucifixion of Christ.

Who's in a cult now?

[mudesi]

172. You call Obama an "idol" after you compare Clinton to Jesus Christ?

:eyes:

[Scriptor Ignotus]

178. scoreboard. - nt

[skooooo]

182. Crucify her??

Where do you get this?

She's not Christ, and she's not "owed" the White House.

If you think she's doing things "right," then you must not care about her losing the primary, cause she's there already.