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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:24 AM
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PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 2/21-OBAMA SHOULD STAY COOL
Everyone knows Hillary will try to go for Obama's jugular Thursday night at the Debate. I am strongly urging Barack to stay cool and not stoop down to that level. It will do him no good. She is the loser so far, so he has no reason to engage her in some petty spat. It gives her control over the mood, tone, and direction of the debate and takes him off message. When she starts in on her pre-paid, pre-scripted attack, he should verbally brush it aside as if it her words are just nagging little fleas tittering around him. He is the front runner, soon to be nominee. He does not have to lower himself to this sort of trash can politicking the "Clinton Machine" has utilized thus far. He should, however, combat her rhetoric with her own record, words, and deeds. When she tries to attack, he should SMILE and present FACTS. He is normally COOL as a CUCUMBER, so we shouldn't worry about that. Let her look desperate and sad. While she flails about throwing mud hoping that it sticks, she won't have TIME to discuss why people should VOTE FOR HER or get out the issues she wants to talk about. While she attacks, he should appear presidential, get out his platform IN DETAIL, and draw a contrast (as if that hasn't already been done) between her and him by allowing the public to really see her for who she is.

DON'T GO NEGATIVE AT THE DEBATE BARACK! STAY ON MESSAGE! BUT SHUT HER DOWN IF NEED BE, BUT IN A GENTLE WAY!
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:25 AM
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1. when she attacks say... "come on, we are better than this"
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:32 AM
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5. Exactly
It's a win win situation for him if he STAYS ON MESSAGE. I am praying he doesn't fall for it. They want to engage in silly, petty, irrelevant arguments. It does him no good. People need to find out who Barack is. They already know who Hillary is. People may be tuning in for the FIRST TIME. They don't need to see an angry Barack, they need to see a positive, mature, presidential Barack. If he engages her, he will look like the loser because HE DOESN'T HAVE TO and he will not be able to get out his message IN DETAIL. When she starts her attack script, he should SMILE, denounce it (Not this again, Hillary or Come on, we are better than this) and then redirect the conversation to THE ISSUES and do it IN DETAIL. He should hit hard on his foreign policy stances, REPEATEDLY pointing to the negligence of this Administration and Congres' failure to go after al Quada, Taliban, and Osama bin Laden in North Pakistan while fighting a senseless war in Iraq. He should HIT THAT HARD. Then he should talk about the superiority of his health plan and other plans. Don't merely lay out your plan, but break it down and tell us how his plans are far more superior. Make it plain!
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:26 AM
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2. I was watching a show and I agreed with the host:
He knows she's going to come after him so all he has to do is prepare for it. say something witty and brush off her attacks with a good line or something. If she's going to make this about who's the best to be commander in chief, he has to bring up the war vote and stay on it. thats all.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:34 AM
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6. This seems like the only
sensible course of action for him. He wins if he stays on message and stays mature about it. Don't jump into the dumpster!
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:28 AM
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3. I'm sure he's got better things to do than read DU, but...
yes, that's all he has to do. Be cool, and let the attacks bounce off. If Hillary decides to go for the jugular then it will just exemplify to 'swing voters' why it is that we prefer Obama as the candidate. He has done better in presenting a platform to address the needs of all Americans, rather than the combative identity and turf politics of recent years.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:35 AM
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7. I agree
totally agree.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:45 AM
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16. Another thing, he should question
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 02:50 AM by spokane
her on her campaign finances, why is she charging interest rate the money she loaned
her campaign. 1.25%, thats like robbing the voters, its their money.

Why has she not report her tax returns...use this to show how untrustworthy she is
and can be as a President.

Coupled the two with her voting records (IRW), try to show how shady she is,
voters already knows about her shady dealings, but a little spice won't hurt.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:54 AM
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19. I don't think he
should hit her hard on the campaign loan because that only opens him up to whatever baseless attack she has prescripted for her. Then he will have to spend time responding to whatever lie she tells. That only takes him off message. And he won't be able to take the high road since he basically will be viewed as initiating that line of attack.

However, he should question why she has not made her tax returns public. What is her retort? He has made his public.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:06 AM
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26. Yep!
the later would be perfect, tax returns should be echoed, especially the day shift and night shift
she claims to represent in her latest commercial.

Also, immigrant, I'm not sure about this one, but, she is against granting drivers license to
immigrants, he can win more latinos on that, with sharp and witty response.

He can say something like the same folks she is here asking for them to vote for her are the same
folks she wants to deport back to their country.

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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:11 AM
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28. Well
I don't know if he should come out full blast saying he wants to give driver's licenses but if questioned on it, he should respond that he is for it, and was for it before he was for it, unlike Hillary who was for it before she was against it. He should talk about how he wants a humane and fair immigration system that doesn't allow big, multibillion dollar corporations and corporate farms to use and mistreat undocumented workers while subverting the law and undermining American labor and wages. This is a country of immigrants, but he should be sure to stress the fact that our country is a country of laws and that there will be consequences for entering the country illegally. That is a MODERATE tone in a very hostile environment for immigration reform.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:14 AM
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29. Very good point. n/t
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:28 AM
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4. Can he look her in the eye? n/t
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:36 AM
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8. Ummm
I guess. Why wouldn't he be able to? Are you suggesting he would turn into a pillar of salt or something? :shrug:
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:40 AM
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12. OMG! Now that's funny! And your spot on with your analysis. (nt)
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:59 AM
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24. Thanks!
:headbang:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:37 AM
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10. It's difficult when they are sitting side by side
Do you look her in the eye or do you look at the audience? That's why I like podiums a lot better.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:36 AM
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9. If Hillary has half a brain she will stay cool as well
The best way to win a debate is to do what the pundits don't expect you to do.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:56 AM
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21. There is one thing people have
said about her when it comes to debates, is how knowledgeable
she is with the issues, but, why not question her on her achievements.



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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:02 AM
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25. you know what
I get the feeling that a lot of those "facts" she throws out, are basically pre-scripted for her. How knowledgeable is she on those facts? What is the source? Dig deeper? Ask questions? I've noticed that when she is pressed on these facts she throws out, she gets caught off guard and has trouble explaining in detail what it all means. Also, when she talks about her 35 years of experience, what does that include and how does it make her qualified to be president? Does she include her time as a partner at the Rose Law Firm in that 35 years? What accomplishments has she achieved over those 35 years? One or two or even five accomplishments don't seem pretty substantial for someone with "35 years of experience". That needs more attention.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:08 AM
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27. That should be the set up...absolute set up.
allow her to dig her own grave, then just cover it.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:37 AM
Original message
delete
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 02:41 AM by spokane
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:37 AM
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11. Lets play it this way
what happens if she comes at him with pleasantries, being all mushier,
being defensive. Hillary is proving to be a snake, and she is not going
to stop.

Anyway, game plan should be stick to the facts, don't let her ruffle your
feathers, she might even try to be little you. Also watch out for those
crocodile tears, this woman is desperate, watch out for her emotional
moves, wait for to finish and hit her with fact.

I'm sure you are much more intelligent than us giving advice, but this woman
is proving to be despicable every minute and desperate.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:42 AM
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14. YES
He should be armed with a barrage of irrefutable FACTS and a lot of them. He should be able to throw em so he can appear "wonkish" like Hillary makes herself look because she has such command of the "facts". (I could say more, but I'll leave it be). So he should just SMILE (because he has a nice one) and disarm her with the FACTS and his non-participation in the dumpster diving. What can she do, keep attacking like a maniacal nut case? STICK TO THE FACTS, JACK!
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:41 AM
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13. I absolutely agree, "I thought we were here to debate, not flame-bait".
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 02:47 AM by ingin
He should have a few of these such lines at the ready. She's sliding fast, and all she can do is grab for his ankles.

On edit: It may also be good to denounce the mussling of dissent AH-HEEM (sibel edmonds got dirt on you turkish contributor). Only if she gets real down and dirty. JMHI
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:45 AM
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17. I'm pretty sure
his advisors have several of these witty lines prepared for him. Remember to SMILE and hit em with the witty retort, then launch into a detailed POLICY discussion. Don't forget to dig into that record of hers too. She has gotten pretty much a free pass on her record, besides the war vote, in these debates. Bring it up. But be kind when you do it and don't forget to SMILE. You get points just for the smile while she steams over in the corner with a scowl on her face.

:hi:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:43 AM
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15. Declare her attacks as "more of the same" Or "politics as usual
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:51 AM
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18. YES
"more of the same" "politics as usual" "same folks doing the same old tricks" "yesterday's tricks" "Washington games" "politics of personal destruction" "tear people down to lift themselves up" "we should be bringing people together, instead of tearing people apart" "politics of division and diversion" "i love this party and this country so I will not engage in this type of argument, Hillary" "people aren't looking for a divisive president, they're looking for an inclusive president" "we are moving towards the future, not the past, so I will not engage in the politics of the past" "yesterday's politics have no place in this debate" etc etc etc
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:58 AM
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22. delete wrong reply
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 02:59 AM by spokane
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:59 AM
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23. Thank you for this link n/t
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:56 AM
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20. Yep, stay calm and call her out on throwing slime.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:40 AM
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30. I hope the voters are able to see how cold and calculating she is at the debate. nt
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:56 AM
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31. Cold and calculating? Did you pick that one up on Free Republic?
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thesubstanceofdreams Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 04:38 AM
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32. At what time is the debate?

Thanks :hi:
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:26 AM
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33. 8 PM Eastern
So.. does anyone know of a good place I might be able to get the full video of the debate, after the fact? I'm going to be working, but Im very interested.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:50 AM
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34. Obama's best tactic would be to direct his criticisms towards McCain
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 07:54 AM by earthlover
This does several things. 1) it makes him look like our nominee, fighting the Republican dragon for us, 2) it avoids looking like he is going negative against Hillary, 3) it doesn't give her an opening to respond, other than to agree with what Obama said about McCain first.

Obama needs to stay calm. It is not necessary for him to engage hillary. I agree that saying something like "we are better than this" could be effective and that he should basically try to smile and shrug off attacks by Hillary.

Stick to the issues, and maintain control over the debate by attacking McCain not Hillary.

Obama's mantra should be don't attack hillary first, don't attack her positions, her campaign, anything unless dragged into it by Hillary bringing it up. Try, at all costs to take the initiate to contrast his positions with McCain (not hillary) to attack McCain's record (not hillary's) and McCain's positions (not Hillary's) and what a McCain presidency could mean.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:52 AM
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35. I believe that Hillary
will throw everything, including the kitchen sink at Obama tonight. I believe the moderators will help her do it, too.

I believe Obama will be prepared for it and I believe he will be cool and stay on message.

I believe tonight that Obama will show once and for all that he is "presidential" has "gravitas" and can handle whatever the GOP "swift boat" slime have for him down the road. Tonight will be a big night for Obama going into Ohio and Texas, as he effectively puts the lid on Hillary Clinton's flailing campaign.

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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:08 AM
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38. HILLARY WILL DROP OUT DURING THE DEBATES
and will beg Obama for the Vice-Presidency or to be Attorney General...or Secretary of State.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:57 AM
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36. Yeah, he should stay cool, maybe have a smoke if he needs it.
C'mon, I'm just kidding. :)
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:59 AM
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37. Cool, but FIRM and TOUGH in responding to attacks !
Yes, be cool, but your best comment is SHUT HER DOWN when she attacks. You never, ever fail to respond to attacks, and you also FIRE BACK in a smart way.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:15 AM
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39. Continue to set the record straight and kill her with kindness!
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:15 AM by backscatter712
That technique seems to be working well in defusing the negativity without stooping to nasty tactics.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:22 AM
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40. Yes all he has to do is think presidential address and positivity and he should be fine.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:23 AM by cooolandrew
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:26 AM
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41. He won't go negative; he'll maintain his composure.
All he needs to do is have a couple of good comeback lines like "There you go again Hillary" or "I was expecting this from you and I will not participate" while smiling and remaining calm.

He knows what she's gonna do, so he should be ready.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:56 AM
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42. Agreed
He doesn't have it locked up yet, but he is definitely the frontrunner now, and he needs to avoid getting dragged into the mud. If she attacks him, he can respond, but he's got to take the high road. He has a lot more to lose by going negative.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:57 AM
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43. Yep - don't take the bait...
Easier said than done, of course ~ but he can do it!
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